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Dec 11th, 2007 at 6:16pm
 
Bruce -
  This may be too controversial to ask you on your own website.  I want to begin with stating some things I've learned and noticed from reading your books:
  (1) I respect what you have to say, and think you are a gifted writer.  I've read all of your books and have very much enjoyed them.
  (2) I have tried your workbook but unfortunately got stuck on the 3d blackness section - I couldn't get an image to appear.  So I hit a roadblock, but haven't developed the discipline to try to slog through it.  This is probably my fault for not sticking with the program after hitting some resistance.  However I used to hypnotize my friends and have developed a very healthy respect for the power of suggestion on the human mind.  I don't want to program myself enough so that I believe I see images when none are there for me.  On the flip side I don't want to program myself enough to prevent myself from seeing images that could be forming - in your lingo one might say I don't want to have a belief system that is preventing my advancement.  I am curious if you have any suggestions for this section, but it is not the major thrust of this post.
(3) I respect your encouragement to your readers to try to find answers for themselves, and the relative inexpensive cost of your books and CD, etc.  It seems to me that you are truly trying to help others explore the afterlife, and are not out for extorting money.  I truly appreciate this, and I'm sure others do also.  You are not the gatekeeper for the exploration of the afterlife but a helpful mentor that is encouraging us with good intentions.
  (4) I respect your astral travels.  I honestly am a bit skeptical about a couple things, but think for the majority of your stuff you are the real deal (through reasoning, correspondence with reality, the tone of your writing, and the cooberation (sp.) of similar stories from astral travelers from yourself).  If even half of your experiences actually happened as you believed they happened then you are quite an amazing traveler indeed (I'm sorry if that statement is slightly insulting, I don't intend it to be).

What I'm curious about is your take on Jesus.  I recall from one of your books that you had a brief encounter with Jesus that you saw as a caricature of Jesus that is often portrayed in a Sunday school type setting.  Would you say this was your Interpreter's version of what Jesus was like?  In other words did you see in Jesus what you expected to see?  I am not a conservative or literal Christian, but am wondering if my belief systems can integrate with yours.  And if they simply can't, then so be it.  Also, I don't think that you will offend myself or most of the liberal, critically thinking Christians on this site if you simply say something like Jesus is a belief system creation in your opinion, or the idea of Jesus was used by a helper for a retrieval.  So... what if anything have you found in your travels concerning Jesus?

Lastly, I understand if this is a loaded question that you don't want to answer, as it could be a lightning rod for poor responses.  Kind of like someone bringing up religion and politics at the same time at a family reunion dinner table conversation.  Its just that for me, if I was an astral adept like yourself, it would be the most important question to answer of all.
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Reply #1 - Dec 11th, 2007 at 10:30pm
 
Pratekya,

Thank you for your kind words.  Don't let the 3D Blackness slow you down.  It isn't something you must accomplish before continuing, perhaps I wasn't clear about that.  The 3D Blackness is a state of consciousness that is easily recognized, and has some specific uses.  It was added to the book just so someone stumbling into the place by accident or intention would have the opportunity to verify experience and know a little bit about how to experiment with the place.  But you can do retrievals without 3D Blackness experiences.

It's my opinion that Jesus Christ lived a real physical world lifetime here on the Earth.  I also feel that much of what Jesus actually said, did and taught has gotten lost in the belief-biased translations that have become our present-day New Testament Bible.  

From my experiences I have come to accept that we never directly perceive what we encounter, instead we only perceive our Interpreter's nearest similar thing.  In the experience you are referring to it was my impression that I was perceiving the different versions of Jesus appearance that He, Himself was presenting to Silvia as a way letting her know it was Him approaching.  Although as I mentioned in that story in the book, I don't know if it was really Him or a Helper portraying Him.  And, I am certain that Silvia and I were seeing at least slightly different images.

Something else that I know from other experiences is that Jesus can be in more than one location at any given time.  Living in the physical world gives the illusion that we are one body in one place.  For Jesus to actually be with thousands of people separately at once is actually very easy, any of us can do it.  As I have continued to explore and learn and feel that I understand more about who and what we human beings are I feel that I am getting a taste of what He meant when He said, All these things that you see me do, you will do greater things.  Maybe He was trying to explain that He was not a god to be worshipped any more or less than we are.  Perhaps He was trying to say that He is just a little further along the path that we are all walking.
 
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Reply #2 - Dec 12th, 2007 at 12:45am
 
Bruce -
  Thank you very much for the response.  It's very cool for me to actually be communicating with an author that I have a lot of respect for; to actually get a response from you is great.
  I happen to believe that Jesus is misunderstood by many Christians as 'God in a man suit', something so other than a normal man that we can't sympathize with him in a meaningful way.  But in many ways he was an example of an amazing person that expected us to follow after/emulate him in a way that most people don't ever consider, which seems very similar to what you are saying.  My opinion here doesn't really matter that much, I am just saying that what you added at the end rings true to me.
  In any case, take care and thanks again.
Jeff
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Reply #3 - Dec 12th, 2007 at 12:52am
 
  The only catch 22 (which really isn't a catch 22, but me just being dramatic) is that to become like Yeshua while in physical like he said we eventually would, we have to live like he did, with that perfect balance between physical, mental, and spiritual.  We have to completely give up all that hinders in this process. 

  We will get there, but few will probably get there completely in this smaller cycle.   Yet many new age channeled type sources say that everyone, or most everyone in the earth is going to ascend come 2012 or what not.   Maybe its possible, i just don't see it coming even close to being a slight probability as of now.   Maybe that's just my pessimistic Capricorn Sun and Virgo stellium tendencies talking, but then again i came in from Jupiter and Mercury is almost exactly trine same, so i'm also an optimist as well, at the same time. 

  One thing i do know for certain, it will be anything but boring for sure!
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Reply #4 - Dec 12th, 2007 at 5:11pm
 
Regarding the below, the first time the presence of Christ visited me and worked on my energy in a significant way, I got the impression that he can be in as many places as he wants to be.

One time my higher self showed me what it is like to experience multiple perspectives.  I experienced about 12 different perspectives while remaining aware of the fact that I'm a spirit being who is larger than the combined perspectives. I was this large spirit being, yet I was still "me" (minus body based identifications). I didn't experience the different perspectives to the extent a higher self would. Just enough so I could get an understanding of how one can experience multiple perspectives without losing track of who/what one really is.


Bruce Moen wrote on Dec 11th, 2007 at 10:30pm:
Pratekya,



Something else that I know from other experiences is that Jesus can be in more than one location at any given time.  Living in the physical world gives the illusion that we are one body in one place.  For Jesus to actually be with thousands of people separately at once is actually very easy, any of us can do it.  As I have continued to explore and learn and feel that I understand more about who and what we human beings are I feel that I am getting a taste of what He meant when He said, All these things that you see me do, you will do greater things.  Maybe He was trying to explain that He was not a god to be worshipped any more or less than we are.  Perhaps He was trying to say that He is just a little further along the path that we are all walking.
 
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Reply #5 - Dec 12th, 2007 at 5:32pm
 
Could it be that "we" are 99% manlike and 1% spirit and "Jesus" was 99% spirit and 1% manlike? Would it make sense to say, "Do unto others as you would do unto me" really meaning "When you do unto others, you are doing unto me, because we are all one" ?  Huh I think we really get alot of info in each epoch, thru different messengers.

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