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Deepak Chopra
Nov 6th, 2007 at 12:01pm
 
Hi all , he has just released a book on the afterlife and has some pity open opinons on religion and science. Have any of you any opinons on Deepak Chopra and his beliefs , and have perhaps had a read of his book LIFE AFTER DEATH - The burden of proof.
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Reply #1 - Nov 7th, 2007 at 10:23am
 
Hi rNick,

I like him alot. His thoughts seem to reach into my soul.

Unfortunately it seems he repeats and pads his information alot,
unavoidable I suppose, when he has so many times and places
to share his insights. I don't know if he ever gets time to go on
spiritual retreats for himself to develope further insights. So I
haven't read his recent work--maybe what I said isn't even true
any longer.

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Reply #2 - Nov 7th, 2007 at 10:59am
 
I've read a few bits of his and thought they were spot on, and his output, clarity of communication and energy are amazing. His highly commercial, academically respectable and media savvy ways made me (almost certainly wrongly) a little cautious for many years though.

He actually does a huge job and I suspect is really important in his reaching out to those in the 'modern'  world who otherwise are not open to spiritual ideas from the great traditions.....
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Reply #3 - Nov 8th, 2007 at 3:55pm
 
  He has an interesting chart, and i would say has a chart which is innately fairly fast vibrating overall.   Sun Jupiter CON.  Cusp birth, and Sun near Arcturus, fairly strong Neptune, strong Uranian energy but more related to the 'past' (Uranus can be rather extreme though).   Emphasis on the latter signs in the Zodiac, decent balance between the masculine and feminine energies (all in all, probably over polarized to the feminine).

  He would have probable tendencies with sexual issues and obsessing too much on sex, if the chart i saw is completely accurate (besides potentially inaccurate recording of birth time, sometimes the physical and spiritual birth vary enough to change the chart considerable).    And with his closer romantic and business partners in his more personal life, he may have  sharp, biting or even caustic tongue tendencies which strongly need to be regenerated in this life.  Wooee, Mercury Mars conjunct within about a degree in both Scorpio and the 8th house AND squared the Saturn Pluto CON in Leo in the 5th/6th!  Communication and projection of self isn't always want it seems (rarely is with Pluto, Scorpio, and the 8th), and would tend also to be rather "obsessional" in nature.   

Overall, quite a Powerful chart, and if he has or could overcome the more difficult aspects of same, what a powerhouse for good.   Kind of reminds me of Gandhi's chart in some ways.

  Recoverer, know anything about Chopra, any skeletons looking in the closet?   Osho's chart, showed him more for his truer and more complex colors from what i remember (again, if it was completely accurate to begin with).

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Reply #4 - Nov 8th, 2007 at 4:34pm
 
Ahso asked:   "Recoverer, know anything about Chopra, any skeletons looking in the closet?   Osho's chart, showed him more for his truer and more complex colors from what i remember (again, if it was completely accurate to begin with). "


Argh Ahso! Want me to be the bad guy again? Smiley  There have been some legal issues connected to him, but I didn't follow the cases.  I've seen him on TV a few times, but have read little of what he has to say. I definitely don't believe he's an enlightened being. I don't know if he claims to be one or gets treated like one. 

I believe it is okay for people to write spiritual books without being completely perfected masters. The important thing is how do they present themselves? If to some degree they present themselves as being a person who really knows what it is all about even though they don't, this fact should be considered. If they make it clear that I'm just sharing what I've found, but I don't know all of the answers, and I could be wrong, I believe this is fine.

Regarding fine, Deepak did provide his endorsement at the back of a Seth book. I wonder if he believes that as Seth states, Jesus wasn't crucified, and was just making a joke when he said to love your neighbor as yourself." Just before Jesus said this, he said, "thou shalt love thy lord thy God with all thy heart, all thy soul, and all thy mind." Did Seth/Deepak, also consider this to be a joke?

I don't mean to suggest that Deepak has evil in mind. Chances are he is trying to be helpful.  There have been a number of good hearted people who endorse Seth.  However, Deepak's endorsement of Seth/Jane Roberts shows that his discrimination isn't perfect.
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Reply #5 - Nov 10th, 2007 at 12:24am
 
Perfect? What is perfection? Something in which we could find nothing better? We cannot say that even about our posts, our thoughts, or anything we think without defining it through a cultural and personal set of circumstances that do not necessarily apply to every individual in the exact same way -- which makes it imperfect.

As I stated, er, concurred to, in a previous post --- don't limit yourself by the beliefs and insistances of others, their books, their thoughts, their opinions. Consider it important to question everything, but trust that you will find the answer you need. It is okay to change your mind, modify your position, or come to a conclusion that is completely foreign to anyone and anything.

I have found that we often set standards of others that we could not live up to ourselves -- the idea of perfect again Shocked. I won't argue for or against Deepak or what HE believes. He arrived at his conclusions based on his life.

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Reply #6 - Nov 12th, 2007 at 3:57pm
 
Know very little about him - have leafed through his books at bookstores and saw him on a TV chat show once. I didn't feel strongly either way. Did get a bit of an impression of a person who is a bit overrated in his "guru-like" status though and maybe a bit full of himself. Re. Ahso's assessment that his chart shows he has a feminine personality, i recall in his interview he claimed "God is a woman", which i thought was a bit of a silly thing to say, surely God is neither masculine or feminine, but beyond either. If he likes to worship the feminine side of God, for example, like Ramakrishna did, for example, that's cool, but that's a personal thing, not something to make simplistic statements about.

Actually, the above is not completely true. He referred to God as "she"and the interviewer said "so you think God is a woman" and he said "well wouldn't you rather think that she is?" or similar. I just thought if he was trying to teach in a more balanced way he would have explained himself less glibly (we can conceive of God as masculine or feminine, it doesn't really matter etc).
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Reply #7 - Nov 13th, 2007 at 12:05pm
 
  Thank you Recoverer and Orlando for the information.

EternalEssence wrote on Nov 10th, 2007 at 12:24am:
Perfect? What is perfection? Something in which we could find nothing better? We cannot say that even about our posts, our thoughts, or anything we think without defining it through a cultural and personal set of circumstances that do not necessarily apply to every individual in the exact same way -- which makes it imperfect.

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   I guess what i would stress is that maybe in the grand scheme of things, that perfect and imperfect isn't so important a comparison, since it all seems to be working out towards perfection.   However, this doesn't mean that perfection and imperfection doesn't exist now in a more objective sense.   The left brain side of us, is just as important and part of the whole as the right brain, feminine side.

  I would say that PUL is perfection or rather the living of it leads to same, as reasoned from the Creator's and the first fully conscious Co-Creator with same, perspectives.   A person can eventually fit themselves as full and complete channels for that energy and awareness.   Few seem to have fully completed this process while in the physical Earth..but doesn't mean it can't or won't be done by others and eventually the masses. 

  Both Recoverer and i seem to believe the same thing, that if one is going to look to a guide, a teacher, someone supposedly qualified as a spiritual source of info, etc., then doesn't it make pragmatic sense to look to those who are fully there?   Those who are completely intune and attuned to the purely Creative forces?   This doesn't mean that others, don't sometimes express truths, but more often than not, because they still exist so much in the "relative reality" they are just expressing their relative and imcomplete truths and NOT the truths of the One.   

  This reminds me of the life planning process, and of the Council of Elders (as been called by some).   Quite a few spiritual and psychic sources state that before every Disc decides to project another self into good ole space/time, that that more individual self meets with a Council of pure Light beings, those completely integrated between the feminine/yin, and masculine/yang, and thus who are in a sense--spoke persons for the very Creator itself. 

  Now, i've always wondered why, if reincarnation is such a freewill based process, that so many rather stubborn Souls would choose to come here, knowing that their lives will be difficult and painful.   It seems like many souls, even incarnate now, say that they don't want to reincarnate anymore and just want to hang in the nonphysical and overall more smooth and harmonious dimensions.  One can't blame em, after all life here can be pretty difficult and challenging at times.   There was a time when i didn't want to be here anymore either.

  Nobody forces them or anyone, and yet many seem to make the choice to come back.  Well after thinking/feeling deeply about it, and listening for some answers, i realized that this decision usually gets made by these more stubborn, willful and negative acting Souls during their 'meetings' with these Councils.   

  I think what happens is something like this, they are surrounded by these powerful Beings of Light who are personifications of PUL and of the Creator Consciousness, and being surrounded by so many (some say there are always 18 on a Council) of these and by such powerful and pure Light energy/consciousness...well this has the affect to temporarily raise the vibrations and expand the consciousness of those present in that sacred space.   

  The Light highlights not just our positive/constructive side, but also lights up the not so positive and constructive sides, the parts of us we need to regenerate if we are to become like those Beings.   And so, this can be a bittersweet experience for some or many...on one hand all that love is very 'pleasurable' and at the same time for some or many it can be quite painful, because you more clearly realize ones own faults which are keeping one from that same kind of attunement.     But while in that sacred space and while one's vibrations are temporarily raised (speaking in particular of so called undeveloped Souls), we strongly feel and decide to improve upon ourselves, and this oft calls in more Earth lives.   

  Now, if there was no perfection, no standard or ultimate to compare too...then all this just wouldn't work very well, would it, and there would be no need for spiritual growth or improvement to begin with, there would be no goal. 

  I think when a Soul who is not yet perfected, is in the powerful vibrations of those who are perfected and fully attuned to PUL and Source, then it realizes what exactly it needs to work on, to get there itself.  Not only it realizes this, but in that moment it deeply desires that attunement at a core level.   After all, these beings are radiantly joyful, at peace, completely positive in thought and deed, and basically seem to exist in one eternal orgasm of sorts wherein the pleasure is never lessened because it 'gets old' after awhile.   And that's the key to perfection, pure positivity, pure positivity is pure Light. 


  Course, only those fully there can fully judge from both a relative and objective viewpoint, what is complete positivity within an action, thought, feeling, etc.   But the more spiritually developed one becomes, the more clear, broad, true and holistic one's perceptions of this and other things.
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Reply #8 - Nov 14th, 2007 at 1:53am
 
Yes, I agree that sentiments you expressed are true for some.

Then again, all we perceive as being perfect and imperfect, either by comparison or other measure, first begins with the standard we set to perceive and, quite often, the intensity of the duality we choose to accept and through which we filter perceptions.

Thanks for sharing.

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Reply #9 - Nov 14th, 2007 at 3:07am
 
EternalEssence wrote on Nov 14th, 2007 at 1:53am:
Yes, I agree that sentiments you expressed are true for some.

Then again, all we perceive as being perfect and imperfect, either by comparison or other measure, first begins with the standard we set to perceive and, quite often, the intensity of the duality we choose to accept and through which we filter perceptions.

Thanks for sharing.

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  Hi E.E.    I find this reply rather ironic in some respects, if examined more closely.  Can one have it both ways in this regard?   From my daily observations of others and myself, it seems like most of us, are constantly telling others either in an indirect or direct manner, what 'truth' and the ultimates are...but some it seems are just more self honest about the whole process and about what exactly they are doing when they are doing it. 

  I find self honesty to perhaps be one of the most important of traits to cultivate in any spiritual path, speaking both for myself and more universally...as well.  Yep, i sure do be a preacher at times, but i'm always in good company.  Lol, and the only completely and always self honest people...well these are those whom are perfected i.e. fully attuned to Source and P.I., and who have pure and radiant White Light auras (if one needs a more objective and universally perceivable indication).
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Reply #10 - Nov 14th, 2007 at 11:13am
 
Yes, the irony is there, but it really can't be avoided.

I do not deny your concept of self-honesty. But even self-honesty has filters relative even to spiritual paths. It is also ironic to think that self-honesty to one would be deemed self-deception by another.

Undoubtedly, it all reduces to how one sees oneself in relation to [insert spiritual world view] and how it connects to [insert overall goal relative to spiritual world view]. Thus, if "higher" information gained through a spiritual world view was that of Christian and his overall goal was to return to the Source of his Christian creation, then all information would reflect that. Cayce, for instance, was a Christian, and all information he presented reflected that. Even when he questioned the information, he simply found his own reasons for continuing that reduced the amount of concern he had for what he was doing and the information he presented. It is not limited to Cayce by any means, as pretty much any other philosophy, religious or otherwise.

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Reply #11 - Nov 14th, 2007 at 11:23am
 
Hi again,

I read last week that the Dalai Lama gave Deepak Chopra some sort of award, but the news item was just a blip, no details.

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EternalEssence wrote on Nov 14th, 2007 at 11:13am:
Undoubtedly, it all reduces to how one sees oneself in relation to [insert spiritual world view] and how it connects to [insert overall goal relative to spiritual world view]. Thus, if "higher" information gained through a spiritual world view was that of Christian and his overall goal was to return to the Source of his Christian creation, then all information would reflect that. Cayce, for instance, was a Christian, and all information he presented reflected that. Even when he questioned the information, he simply found his own reasons for continuing that reduced the amount of concern he had for what he was doing and the information he presented. It is not limited to Cayce by any means, as pretty much any other philosophy, religious or otherwise.

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  I would agree that beliefs, and belief systems, both unconscious and conscious do usually have a strong affect on and shape how and what we tend to perceive, but at the same time i've come to understand that beliefs are not the end all to reality.   There are objective truths, which are universally perceivable, if a person would but tap into their very core of cores...this then has the affect to bypass distorted beliefs.   

  Its the same thing that Bruce talks about when he talks about PUL and how it is the most expanding and effective perception opener.   PUL is our core, and can expand our perceptions beyond our limited or limiting beliefs.    The more we consistently resonate with PUL (by both learning to out put it, and feel it), the more clear, the more expanded, the more broad, more holistic, and more accurate our perceptions and thus our beliefs about reality will become. 

   The reason of why we have distorted beliefs and perceptions to begin with, relates to First Cause influences and to the fact that now, the huge majority of us are a curious mixture of True and false self, all mixed up in an oft confusing way.   The false self wants us to believe in...well false things (after all, like attracts and begets like).   It wants to keep the ego alive, and the one thing it hates above all things is the Christ, and Christ like principles.  And so, it oft either outright denies the Christ OR it buys into a more twisted, dogmatic, and/or limiting version of same.   One does not have to be a practicing Christian, to know the truth of Christ both in the Universal sense or in the more personal, individual sense.

The latter Christ is ccertainly not the Christ that Edgar Cayce's sources (notice 'sources' not him) talked about.   Edgar Cayce's sources were made up of many varying consciousnesses, almost all guides in some capacity, some graduates from his Greater self (like Ra Tah, Uhjtld, Lucius for example), some completed Beings, some near completed Beings, Arch Angels, etc.   Many who if they had given their names (which they almost never did) would have caused awe in many of those who received readings.   Cayce almost always tapped into a very UNIVERSAL consciousness (and this was related to his Disc's spiritual development and how deep he went in trance), hence why he could speak on so many issues, get info for so many things.   And the more universal a consciousness tapped into, the more potentially constructive.

  Anyways, Cayce oft spoke on subjects of which he had no idea of, or didn't believe in.  And it took a long time for him to completely accept such beliefs, it was only till he had some deep personal experience that he accepted "reincarnation" for one example.  In some cases, what the source said during his trance, strongly contradicted and went against his belief systems.   If beliefs are the end all to reality and perception of same, how would that work?

  How is it that Recoverer an atheist at the time, and certainly not a Christian by any means, would nonphysically pick up such clear, deeply knowing at a core level, and convincing (to him) info that Christ is a large part of God's plans?

  How is that i, who definitely did not grow up as a "Christian" (there was very little dogma pushed in my household) and who initially had actually strongly negative reactions against the Church and mainstream Christianity, came to believe that Christ was the Archetypal Creational pattern and Co-Creator of this Universe?   I had no friends, family, or anyone else telling me to "believe" in him.   I did so, because even as a child, i oft went within to listen.   Later on, my studies into Cayce and other reputable psychics, confirmed these inner feelings and knowings.

  Why is that so many of the best, most consistently accurate, and most helpful sources of psychic info confirm many of the things that the N.T. says about Yeshua and his Disc Christ?  Why is it that some of the other ones (like Seth), not only contradicted these more tested and credible sources, but at times even majorily contradicted their own info about the life and true name of him?!

   So yes, while one's conscious and/or deepest beliefs oft have a strong influence on one's perceptions, they are not the end all and these can be by passed in the right conditions.  Perhaps strongly believing that beliefs are the most influencing and important thing when it comes to perceiving and perception, is a limiting belief system to begin with? 

   
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  Forgot to add, that i went through a cycle where i read a lot and believed strongly in a lot of Eastern teachings and channeled stuff which led me to believe that everything was relative, and that i should be completely non dualistic in my beliefs, and being so meant that there are no ultimate or objective truths, no constructive/positive or destructive/negative, etc. 

Basically, not that much different that than the tone and beliefs you seem to be advocating.  I spent at least a couple/few years strongly in that phase.

  Looking back, i realized that while i was in this cycle, i was overly imbalanced and over polarized to the right brain and feminine/yin/passive aspect of consciousness.  It was a very Neptunian time for me.

  I don't regret going through that, and that cycle, because it was a necessary phase having originally had such a strong left brain dominance and over polarization.   It helped to balance me out.  I've also noted that this is a common pattern with many folks (especially men) on a spiritual path.   It all has to do with balance and trying to find/foster same.

  Now i feel much more clear and consistently balanced though, i'm starting to experience and see the merging of both paradoxically different, and yet completely interconnecting ways of perceiving and living reality.  Not fully there, but i get glimpses of that integrated and merged reality which to me at first seemed like an unlikely meeting of west and east, of feminine and masculine.  After all, these energies are very different on the surface, so different that at first their differences seem almost irreconcilable.
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Reply #14 - Nov 14th, 2007 at 1:05pm
 
Belief systems shape the majority. You reflect what you accept withing the framework of that with which you are exposed. You may change your position, but it is always relative to the beliefs at the time. Creativity and free will allow for such modifications.

"There are objective truths, which are universally perceivable, if a person would but tap into their very core of cores...this then has the affect to bypass distorted beliefs." --- this perhaps is true, but then again, what does one consider distorted? Relative to the belief of what is considered distorted, and therefore what you measure it against, which is based on intellectual faith or belief.

Its the same thing that Bruce talks about when he talks about PUL and how it is the most expanding and effective perception opener.   PUL is our core, and can expand our perceptions beyond our limited or limiting beliefs.    The more we consistently resonate with PUL (by both learning to out put it, and feel it), the more clear, the more expanded, the more broad, more holistic, and more accurate our perceptions and thus our beliefs about reality will become.
Interesting hypothesis, but a belief that shapes.

The reason of why we have distorted beliefs and perceptions to begin with, relates to First Cause influences and to the fact that now, the huge majority of us are a curious mixture of True and false self, all mixed up in an oft confusing way.   The false self wants us to believe in...well false things (after all, like attracts and begets like).   It wants to keep the ego alive, and the one thing it hates above all things is the Christ, and Christ like principles.  And so, it oft either outright denies the Christ OR it buys into a more twisted, dogmatic, and/or limiting version of same."
[u]One does not have to be a practicing Christian, to know the truth of Christ.." ...
Something about the way you worded this seems to express that you consider your spiritual philosophy as predominant over another, which is interesting because it highlights that part that I spoke about: intensity and beliefs as the creative force surrounding perceived ideas. I don't think I have stated that you had to be a practicing Christian, though I did state that I knew Cayce had been. I also realize that he offered information he may not have had, but he reduced his conflict between his beliefs and his experience by reducing the gap between what he perceived and what he believed. I do believe that Christ concepts and Christianity are more acceptable ideas. They are always interesting concepts.

Cayce almost always tapped into a very UNIVERSAL consciousness (and this was related to his Disc's spiritual development and how deep he went in trance), hence why he could speak on so many issues, get info for so many things.   And the more universal a consciousness tapped into, the more potentially constructive. Possible, but not necessarily a FACT. It depends as to what you consider to be acceptable proof and intellectual faith.

How is it that Recoverer an atheist at the time, and certainly not a Christian by any means, would nonphysically pick up such clear, deeply knowing at a core level, and convincing (to him) info that Christ is a large part of God's plans?. Possibly exposure to such materials growing up. Obviously being an atheist, one must accept the idea that there is no "God" thus the concept of God must be understood, absorbed, intellectually rationalized. I won't speak about another person's experience. How exactly does one go about believing in the nonexistence of something that doesn't exist to be not believed in?

"How is that i, who definitely did not grow up as a "Christian" (there was very little dogma pushed in my household) and who initially had actually strongly negative reactions against the Church and mainstream Christianity, came to believe that Christ was the Archetypal Creational pattern and Co-Creator of this Universe?   I had no friends, family, or anyone else telling me to "believe" in him.   I did so, because even as a child, i oft went within to listen.   Later on, my studies into Cayce and other reputable psychics, confirmed these inner feelings and knowings. Well, you were exposed to the ideas, which shaped you. It sounds like you simply found an acceptable way to merge two opposing aspects which led you to search for information that eventually helped supplement what you've alway felt to be true.


"Why is that so many of the best, most consistently accurate, and most helpful sources of psychic info confirm many of the things that the N.T. says about Yeshua and his Disc Christ?" This is a slippery slope, because ideas of accuracy and "helpful" are relative to the person seeking the information. Why is it that some of the other ones (like Seth), not only contradicted these more tested and credible sources, but at times even majorily contradicted their own info about the life and true name of him?! Well, can't disagree that contradictions don't exist, but it is obviously that you consider contradictions to what you believe to be bad (i.e., less tested, less credible). Contradictions do not diminish the information. They can be quite wonderful. (Look at this entire thread) The the idea here is that you have seen and see all things through what you have come to accept as truth as it has panned out for you. No one, not even I, will argue with that idea.

It is all a great adventure, isn't it.

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