Hi rNick,

I like him alot. His thoughts seem to reach into my soul.

Unfortunately it seems he repeats and pads his information alot,
unavoidable I suppose, when he has so many times and places
to share his insights. I don't know if he ever gets time to go on
spiritual retreats for himself to develope further insights. So I
haven't read his recent work--maybe what I said isn't even true
any longer.

Bets

  He has an interesting chart, and i would say has a chart which is innately fairly fast vibrating overall.   Sun Jupiter CON.  Cusp birth, and Sun near Arcturus, fairly strong Neptune, strong Uranian energy but more related to the 'past' (Uranus can be rather extreme though).   Emphasis on the latter signs in the Zodiac, decent balance between the masculine and feminine energies (all in all, probably over polarized to the feminine).

  He would have probable tendencies with sexual issues and obsessing too much on sex, if the chart i saw is completely accurate (besides potentially inaccurate recording of birth time, sometimes the physical and spiritual birth vary enough to change the chart considerable).    And with his closer romantic and business partners in his more personal life, he may have  sharp, biting or even caustic tongue tendencies which strongly need to be regenerated in this life.  Wooee, Mercury Mars conjunct within about a degree in both Scorpio and the 8th house AND squared the Saturn Pluto CON in Leo in the 5th/6th!  Communication and projection of self isn't always want it seems (rarely is with Pluto, Scorpio, and the 8th), and would tend also to be rather "obsessional" in nature.   

Overall, quite a Powerful chart, and if he has or could overcome the more difficult aspects of same, what a powerhouse for good.   Kind of reminds me of Gandhi's chart in some ways.

  Recoverer, know anything about Chopra, any skeletons looking in the closet?   Osho's chart, showed him more for his truer and more complex colors from what i remember (again, if it was completely accurate to begin with).

Perfect? What is perfection? Something in which we could find nothing better? We cannot say that even about our posts, our thoughts, or anything we think without defining it through a cultural and personal set of circumstances that do not necessarily apply to every individual in the exact same way -- which makes it imperfect.

As I stated, er, concurred to, in a previous post --- don't limit yourself by the beliefs and insistances of others, their books, their thoughts, their opinions. Consider it important to question everything, but trust that you will find the answer you need. It is okay to change your mind, modify your position, or come to a conclusion that is completely foreign to anyone and anything.

I have found that we often set standards of others that we could not live up to ourselves -- the idea of perfect again . I won't argue for or against Deepak or what HE believes. He arrived at his conclusions based on his life.

E.

  Thank you Recoverer and Orlando for the information.

EternalEssence wrote on Nov 10^th, 2007 at 12:24am:


   I guess what i would stress is that maybe in the grand scheme of things, that perfect and imperfect isn't so important a comparison, since it all seems to be working out towards perfection.   However, this doesn't mean that perfection and imperfection doesn't exist now in a more objective sense.   The left brain side of us, is just as important and part of the whole as the right brain, feminine side.

  I would say that PUL is perfection or rather the living of it leads to same, as reasoned from the Creator's and the first fully conscious Co-Creator with same, perspectives.   A person can eventually fit themselves as full and complete channels for that energy and awareness.   Few seem to have fully completed this process while in the physical Earth..but doesn't mean it can't or won't be done by others and eventually the masses. 

  Both Recoverer and i seem to believe the same thing, that if one is going to look to a guide, a teacher, someone supposedly qualified as a spiritual source of info, etc., then doesn't it make pragmatic sense to look to those who are fully there?   Those who are completely intune and attuned to the purely Creative forces?   This doesn't mean that others, don't sometimes express truths, but more often than not, because they still exist so much in the "relative reality" they are just expressing their relative and imcomplete truths and NOT the truths of the One.   

  This reminds me of the life planning process, and of the Council of Elders (as been called by some).   Quite a few spiritual and psychic sources state that before every Disc decides to project another self into good ole space/time, that that more individual self meets with a Council of pure Light beings, those completely integrated between the feminine/yin, and masculine/yang, and thus who are in a sense--spoke persons for the very Creator itself. 

  Now, i've always wondered why, if reincarnation is such a freewill based process, that so many rather stubborn Souls would choose to come here, knowing that their lives will be difficult and painful.   It seems like many souls, even incarnate now, say that they don't want to reincarnate anymore and just want to hang in the nonphysical and overall more smooth and harmonious dimensions.  One can't blame em, after all life here can be pretty difficult and challenging at times.   There was a time when i didn't want to be here anymore either.

  Nobody forces them or anyone, and yet many seem to make the choice to come back.  Well after thinking/feeling deeply about it, and listening for some answers, i realized that this decision usually gets made by these more stubborn, willful and negative acting Souls during their 'meetings' with these Councils.   

  I think what happens is something like this, they are surrounded by these powerful Beings of Light who are personifications of PUL and of the Creator Consciousness, and being surrounded by so many (some say there are always 18 on a Council) of these and by such powerful and pure Light energy/consciousness...well this has the affect to temporarily raise the vibrations and expand the consciousness of those present in that sacred space.   

  The Light highlights not just our positive/constructive side, but also lights up the not so positive and constructive sides, the parts of us we need to regenerate if we are to become like those Beings.   And so, this can be a bittersweet experience for some or many...on one hand all that love is very 'pleasurable' and at the same time for some or many it can be quite painful, because you more clearly realize ones own faults which are keeping one from that same kind of attunement.     But while in that sacred space and while one's vibrations are temporarily raised (speaking in particular of so called undeveloped Souls), we strongly feel and decide to improve upon ourselves, and this oft calls in more Earth lives.   

  Now, if there was no perfection, no standard or ultimate to compare too...then all this just wouldn't work very well, would it, and there would be no need for spiritual growth or improvement to begin with, there would be no goal. 

  I think when a Soul who is not yet perfected, is in the powerful vibrations of those who are perfected and fully attuned to PUL and Source, then it realizes what exactly it needs to work on, to get there itself.  Not only it realizes this, but in that moment it deeply desires that attunement at a core level.   After all, these beings are radiantly joyful, at peace, completely positive in thought and deed, and basically seem to exist in one eternal orgasm of sorts wherein the pleasure is never lessened because it 'gets old' after awhile.   And that's the key to perfection, pure positivity, pure positivity is pure Light. 


  Course, only those fully there can fully judge from both a relative and objective viewpoint, what is complete positivity within an action, thought, feeling, etc.   But the more spiritually developed one becomes, the more clear, broad, true and holistic one's perceptions of this and other things.

EternalEssence wrote on Nov 14^th, 2007 at 1:53am:


  Hi E.E.    I find this reply rather ironic in some respects, if examined more closely.  Can one have it both ways in this regard?   From my daily observations of others and myself, it seems like most of us, are constantly telling others either in an indirect or direct manner, what 'truth' and the ultimates are...but some it seems are just more self honest about the whole process and about what exactly they are doing when they are doing it. 

  I find self honesty to perhaps be one of the most important of traits to cultivate in any spiritual path, speaking both for myself and more universally...as well.  Yep, i sure do be a preacher at times, but i'm always in good company.  Lol, and the only completely and always self honest people...well these are those whom are perfected i.e. fully attuned to Source and P.I., and who have pure and radiant White Light auras (if one needs a more objective and universally perceivable indication).

Hi again,

I read last week that the Dalai Lama gave Deepak Chopra some sort of award, but the news item was just a blip, no details.

Bets

  Forgot to add, that i went through a cycle where i read a lot and believed strongly in a lot of Eastern teachings and channeled stuff which led me to believe that everything was relative, and that i should be completely non dualistic in my beliefs, and being so meant that there are no ultimate or objective truths, no constructive/positive or destructive/negative, etc. 

Basically, not that much different that than the tone and beliefs you seem to be advocating.  I spent at least a couple/few years strongly in that phase.

  Looking back, i realized that while i was in this cycle, i was overly imbalanced and over polarized to the right brain and feminine/yin/passive aspect of consciousness.  It was a very Neptunian time for me.

  I don't regret going through that, and that cycle, because it was a necessary phase having originally had such a strong left brain dominance and over polarization.   It helped to balance me out.  I've also noted that this is a common pattern with many folks (especially men) on a spiritual path.   It all has to do with balance and trying to find/foster same.

  Now i feel much more clear and consistently balanced though, i'm starting to experience and see the merging of both paradoxically different, and yet completely interconnecting ways of perceiving and living reality.  Not fully there, but i get glimpses of that integrated and merged reality which to me at first seemed like an unlikely meeting of west and east, of feminine and masculine.  After all, these energies are very different on the surface, so different that at first their differences seem almost irreconcilable.