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Re: Expressing Gratitude to All
Reply #15 - Oct 27th, 2007 at 4:12am
 
dave_a_mbs wrote on Oct 26th, 2007 at 6:02pm:
Thanks to you too, Alysia.

It takes all of us to make up what we all are. Like the tiny little two cent cotter key that keeps each wheel nut secure on your car, even the least of us is necessary if we are to go forward.

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yes Dave I hear your wisdom. Everything turns out to be connected in the end, and at first we don't see that too easily, but later it becomes clear the connections and the whyfores and whatnots. love, alysia
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Reply #16 - Oct 27th, 2007 at 7:40am
 
Thanks Alysia to you too - you often act as a communicator for a simpler heart felt way of communicating which often by catching the right tone is much more effective than all the reams of bumph some of us write around here.  Embarrassed  Smiley

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Reply #17 - Oct 27th, 2007 at 2:19pm
 
Justin,

With respect, I see nothing different in the words you write here as being any different in what you insinuate about Alysia, for if you know her as well as you state she knows you, then you are doing nothing but perpetrating the same thing you accuse her of. I agree with the poster who suggested leaving tea cups on another thread. If you don't like tea, try choclate.

I appreciate your input, but prefer to follow my own path than be led down yours.

E.
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Reply #18 - Oct 27th, 2007 at 2:20pm
 
Alysia,

Thank you for the post, for your passion, for your journey, for your experience and for all you bring to this forum.


With Affection,
E.
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Reply #19 - Oct 27th, 2007 at 2:24pm
 
LaffingRain wrote on Oct 27th, 2007 at 3:44am:
well sorry you feel the way you do Justin. I trust myself, my visions, my obes and dreams, my voices, etc. if you can't trust yourself, you surely cannot trust another being. It's ok we don't see eye to eye. I'll certainly not trouble you again with what is my belief and insights, as you say, we are not related right at the moment! I'm not going to hold onto any negative feelings that are generated here and think you should or could do the same.
I wish you the best.



  Hi there Alysia, i feel perhaps you mistake my inner feelings about and intentions towards you.  I don't think or feel that you or anyone here can fully read my Heart (only my Higher self, Source, and White Light beings can do that), and in this world of false appearances and illusions, appearances aren't always what they seem. 

  As i said before, in actuality, i love you and i have long since dropped all emotional hurts related to our interactions years, and also lifetimes ago.   I can't be 'hurt' by you now, or rather more accurately, i choose not to take things in that way.

  I also wish you the best, but also hope that perhaps in the future, you may examine your actions and treatments of others more self honestly.  These situations have happened more than a few times that i've observed, but luckily for you (or rather your false self), it usually involved people who weren't particularly popular or cuddly here like Don, Albert, or me for example.  And because you are usually upbeat and positive, people tend to not notice as well or see fully clearly those incidences and this also makes it easier for you to ignore them and not take responsibility.   This indicates that they are good people with good hearts, but perhaps that there is too much of "special relationship" bonds clouding pure PUL type perception such as a nonphysical guide might perceive.

  If you desire it, in the future i will not respond directly to you and your posts.  Either way, i'm ok with or without direct, physical type communication with you.  Our Souls will always commune with one another.  Remember those dreams you had had about me helping you with energy adjustments--perhaps these seemingly 'difficult' interactions are also part of it?

  Much PUL to and appreciation for you,
  Justin
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Reply #20 - Oct 27th, 2007 at 3:45pm
 
quote Justin: Hi there Alysia, i feel perhaps you mistake my inner feelings about and intentions towards you.  I don't think or feel that you or anyone here can fully read my Heart (only my Higher self, Source, and White Light beings can do that), and in this world of false appearances and illusions, appearances aren't always what they seem. 
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True Justin. and the above that you said is the same thing I would say to you if we were actually communicating. we are not communicating truly unless there is PUL. so we are not seeing the whole of each other, but this is the way C1 operates, we see limitations instead of our unlimited beings. so you're right, appearances aren't what they seem.

in that case perhaps we should let go and let god? I like the serenity prayer which says god grant me the knowing how to change the things I can and leave the rest up to god, which is trusting.
I don't think our world does have trust that everything will work towards good in the end. I'm not going to fix you and you are not going to fix me, but we can give it to higher purpose and trust.

the chakra adjustment time when I showed up obe to your house was not because I needed it. I wanted you to demonstrate for me what is your gift to life.
you did and this in fact created communication between us after that. by allowing you to demonstrate your ability, I was gifting you.

I am not going to demand your respect. btw, I am like your mother as you suggested once, that I was. I treat u as I would a son. And the way I raise children is to let them make their own mistakes the hard way.  I'm not competing here for popularity and to win friends. I don't have more powers than anyone else.

the journeys are involuntary and as I said I'm led by my own inner guidance I call spirit which I find trustworthy. If I ever let you down, it was orchestrated that way for your own benefit. Remember, never attach yourself to another person emotionally.

that is what you did. u attached yourself to me as your remembered me from the obe. I knew there was going to be a scuffle later on and I am able to deal with it because something in me had already gone thru what you are going thru.

you need to express yourself and had no place to do it. now you do and I will not throw you from my heart simply because you think I've let you down regarding my judgmental attitude as you call it. This is the remarks of a child Justin. an emotional tantrum. my love is an impersonal one, the same for all. I am not having a "special" love for you but I would like you to notice what u see and like in me, is in yourself, and what you dislike about me is also within yourself.

I have no idea about past lives with you. now is all that matters and for you to bring your gift forward as quickly as possible even though you are very young. you will have to pursue a selfless road in service to others, but I know thats what you want from other things you have said.

I simply would like to make the point over and over to whomever I come across the effects of PUL, anchoring it into the Earth, acts to open one's awareness, expand it, so that we can at last stop quarreling here on Earth, and simply allow PUL to express.

PUL will feed a nation by planting a seed or keep a thread active with life in abundance, while too much ego rearing it's head in a thread masquerades as "I am assisting you, so listen up type of attitude.  this place is where we all come together
to see how much power for good is in the coming together.


our eyes get opened and our minds with PUL. it's an energy. It's not just a love feeling as you might be thinking.
you are quite young as yet and have a lot of living to do Justin before you will bring your gift forth. this is not a put down to you. This is an acknowledgment that you have this gift, and it was also seen by another, and you did verify it was so, so I'm not just talking from my viewpoint.

As well, I found you adrift out there, you were in great confusion. I was happy you made your way here and I recognized you from out there.. I gave forth with my speech which was simple and to the point, get over the hump and get yourself over to this board..and you heard me. I still remember the scene. you sat at one end of a couch, lol, in outer space we were. I sat on the couch arm rest. I wanted to help you as I felt compassion that u suffered from frustration. Don't we all? at some point in life? this is not a put down. I think my most intense suffering was in my 40's, you were going thru the same thing I went thru, but you were/are in your 20's. it's nothing to be ashamed of, we all go thru these bouts of helplessness and/or frustration while we are developing our journey
It was quite an experience. you are not the only one I've spoken to while obe that I later recognize here.  I am as amazed though that this happens, and cheered that we can, if we want, help each other, one and all through our good intentions and by giving it to god.   it's not in my hands what the outplay will be of bringing in folks here to express; I feel this is the domoin of spirit. I asked to be put where I could be of assistance. They took me to you. of course you don't believe me but many of us do go out and bring others here. I knew you would benefit to come here as much as I benefit from being able to express myself here. as well there are purposes u r here that I have yet to discover, but I believe you are definetely working with TMI, as are many from what you have said in another post. Bravo! thats all I could hope for.

we are all a part of god, we should let god work god's magic to bring more harmonics to the Earth during this time and put away.

I'm not having a fight with you and if you want to read me and respond that's ok, its up to you. I do have inner faith in you or else I wouldn't spend this much time responding.

I cannot say what the morrow will bring as I don't see the future that often or that much, I doubt I want to see the future, as I prefer to think we have choices. Our choices may only lie in how we treat each other right now, to be creating of the future.

United we stand, divided we fall. you would understand the politics talk I think.
or the group consciousness. I believe in the basic goodness in man, that iincludes yourself!  take care of yourself, then take care of others where spirit leads you, but be true to yourself and without deception.

I'm looking forward to all of us pulling together here, as I think we can accomplish more as a group than as single individuals. But we have to have universal consciousness, or global awareness and bring in a caring attitude without being attached to the outcome. good thing theres a delete button here! Peace!

isn't it great when somebody actually reads you? although just joking, maybe we should have an "ignore" button?

follow your heart..let it flow and be open. we have nothing to lose actually! (especially if you'e lost everything already!)  all right all right...spirit says get off this board for now!  ok ok I'm leaving!

happy journeys full of wide eyed innocence knowing you are a co creator with god.



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Re: Expressing Gratitude to All
Reply #21 - Oct 27th, 2007 at 5:20pm
 
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Thanks Alysia to you too - you often act as a communicator for a simpler heart felt way of communicating which often by catching the right tone is much more effective than all the reams of bumph some of us write around here.  Embarrassed  Smiley


hi there. thanks for responding. its simplistic I know, but works for me (KISS) keep it simple silly.   I went on a heart path since birth but didn't realize it for awhile. balked at the idea for awhile. Read where Moen as a boy had closed down the heart chakra, so to not have to feel pain. as he went along in these areas of exploration into himself his heart opened when he started doing retrievals through learning TMI courses.
he posted that story a long time ago here and I had a moment of revelation when he told it and I knew I was the same type of pattern. I never let others get close to me, and if they said they liked me, I brushed it off like it wasn't true. then I saw that it was my fault, my heart was closed off to PUL. sad. I was conditioned from childhood to protect myself that way. not judging myself. it was supposed to be that way. then I studied some more, just myself, I saw I was not alone in closing off the heart.
I saw how much others want to love, to give love away, of themselves. they do, this is the basic goodness in man I was expressing elsewhere, that we all want to love and be loved, or you could call it, just be accepted as you are. then I went the other direction, lol, over extention of self, giving too much. accepting too much from others, what they call love, is not good either. has to be balance between left/right brain, mental and emotional...spirit, giving it to god, takes care of the rest.

its no revelation anymore, and we talk about heart intelligence here, or to follow your heart, this is the heart path, when retrievals are studied and done.

yet retrievals is to be of assistance to another. you must ask for assistance in order to be of assistance, then it starts to get rather interesting. we are receiving much assistance these days!

thanks again, I enjoy your posts!
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Reply #22 - Oct 27th, 2007 at 7:04pm
 
That's a very familiar pattern to me too Alysia, one I'm still working through. Probably at the excessive giving/taking stage....

Re. '...the reams of bumph some of us write around here.' - 'some of us' includes especially me lest anybody feel I was pointing fingers.
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Reply #23 - Oct 29th, 2007 at 3:04pm
 
  I didn't see this until today, hence my late response.


EternalEssence wrote on Oct 27th, 2007 at 2:19pm:
Justin,

With respect, I see nothing different in the words you write here as being any different in what you insinuate about Alysia, for if you know her as well as you state she knows you, then you are doing nothing but perpetrating the same thing you accuse her of. I agree with the poster who suggested leaving tea cups on another thread. If you don't like tea, try choclate. 


Hi E.E.,
If you agreed with that other poster regarding the tea thread, then why did you not p.m. this, instead of keeping the issue alive by publicly and directly responding to me on her thread when i hadn't replied to you at all to begin with?

   Since you brought it up, I will try to respond and explain as clear as I can.  To me, there is a subtle, but also world of difference between labeling someone in a fixed manner or pointing out something you perceive to be as a nonconstructive temporary action/behavior.   
  I’ll give a hypothetical example:   Someone steals something from someone; a friend sees this and says, “hey, why would you do something like that, that’s not good for either you or them.  I don’t agree with stealing, stealing isn’t constructive”.     Another person looks on this temporal act (perhaps the one who is having their stuff stolen), and says something like this, “You are a thief because you stole that.  You got some major issues, though you also have some good potential too.  You need to stop being a thief.”

  Notice how the first is speaking more on the temporal and more specific incident and indicating to the other person that this is not a constructive way of treating others as judged by that particular and temporary incident (or perhaps if they witnessed this a few other times, referring to those incidences too), but the other attaches a fixed label to the other person…bang, you’ve been stamped on the forehead, and the person doing the stamping apparently thinks they are all knowing about you and your issues, who you as a person are deep in your core.  And this is only something an Elder could know.

  I’ve done the latter part plenty, with plenty of people in my life, and more than a couple of years ago, did that with Alysia as well.   It was completely non constructive and I don’t wish to do that anymore for my sake or hers.   When I did it too her before, I was reacting out of emotional hurt/anger and uncenteredness.   Judging/labeling always comes from emotional uncenternedness and also oft out of emotional hurt. 
I was neither emotionally hurt/angry, nor uncentered when I wrote those recent replies to her.   However, I saw her labeling and over generalizing another, and after speaking out against that kind of act and temporary way of being, I also in turn got labeled in a more fixed and over generalized manner.   I never said to Alysia though, that she was a labeler, though I pointed out when it seemed to me that she was labeling others in a more ultimate and fixed sense.   Do I need to quote all the specific things she said to others?   I thought it was rather obvious at the time.   

  It was rather clear to me, that Alysia responded to the original situation i.e. me speaking up for Albert and not labeling anyone in a fixed or judgmental manner (as well as not thinking one was omniscient about another and their issues) in an emotionally reactive manner.   Why was that clear, cause she went from labeling Albert to then labeling me, and she has continued this on this thread, though rather subtly and I do believe she was also consciously trying to be positive towards me as well (unconsciously though, may be a different matter).  It’s also clear because, before this situation but recently it seemed like Alysia was only saying positive things about or towards me, but then all of a sudden I’m an immature person, undeveloped healer, and I’m not using my gifts Roll Eyes.  And btw, I know I can and do have my immature moments like most everyone else, but I also don’t feel I’m basically an “immature” person which is what Alysia said and more than implied.  Because you don’t see all the above, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, does it?

  Now if Alysia had said something like this to or about me, “hey, I think you were temporarily acting in a negative manner in relation to me, and being too critical or faultfinding, etc when you said those things.  That was an immature action, etc”  I wouldn’t have even responded to this thread to begin with, again it was the more fixed labeling that was happening that I was trying to point out to her.  Not just fixed labeling, but such HUGE and ULTIMATE GENERALIZATIONS about my person, like “Justin, you got a gift for humanity, but you’re not giving it.”  Or, “you are a healer, but undeveloped”   I mean, this kind of stuff to me, indicates that she is temporarily coming from quite the high horse in talking about another.   I didn’t realize that she was an actualized master yet and supposedly knew all about me, my life, and my heart.   Who does she think she is, making such huge and ultimate generalizations about another?  This was also done in relation to Albert, and neither of us did this in return to her.   Who then is acting in a more immature manner?


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I appreciate your input, but prefer to follow my own path than be led down yours.

E.
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  I didn’t realize I was trying to personally make you follow my path.  This is an I-net forum where people talk about their experiences, beliefs, and opinions.   As far as I’m aware, this is one of the few times in the whole time I’ve been here, that I even have directly responded to you or your posts.   But geewiz, I’m holding a gun to your head and trying to force you to follow down my own path.   Don’t you have the freewill to read, not read, listen too, not listen to, accept or reject whatever it is that i talk about as my truth?    In the last couple of years or so, I haven’t even been on this site all that much anyways, relatively speaking, certainly much less than many of the regular posters here. 

  Btw, I’m curious, and if you don’t mind sharing, were you on Linn’s site when I was, and what was your name there?   I somehow feel this might be pertinent to this situation for some reason, though I’m not sure exactly how and I know I may be totally off. 

Either way, thank you for your reply, it has presented a good opportunity to delineate holistically the subtle but important differences between judging/labeling another, and constructive criticism.   As Albert said about his experiences with his guides, and them occasionally pointing out faults or when he is erring, so haven't mine and i think i'm a better person for listening to it.   And i've had physical people do the same with me, and i eventually benefited from it, though i never liked it when i was hearing it with either the nonphys. guides or some of the people i've interacted with.   
To me, the whole of love encompasses more than just always saying completely positive words about another or their actions/behaviors.   And when i did say critical things to Alysia about that, i also told her about the positive things that i respect and admire. 
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Reply #24 - Oct 29th, 2007 at 4:37pm
 
Greetings,

It's hard to express love through words.   We share so much here.
But finding the right words, after sharing so much for so long, is really difficult.
We know love's here, though, we feel it.

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Reply #25 - Oct 29th, 2007 at 5:00pm
 
How unfortunate that many of this boards visitors have come to see these past posts and have been exposed to ego instead of the love that all of us here truly wish to share with them. Shall we move back in the direction of "Afterlife Knowledge" or still concern ourselfs with the emotion and its adding to the m-band noise. I know that these brused and battered egos will heal themselfs and know the love for each others being will once again shine. I get so much from all of you here, yet when the board fill with redundent emotional egoistic cra_, I don't feel a desire to be a part of it. I know that there is a job at hand. We are all a part of it and each and every one of us is needed. Our own little disk group. Suck it up, express your thanks for the lesson, and back to the job at hand.
My love to All of you.
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