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While at a dinner with a good friend (United Church Minister/Reiki Master) and her
Daughter visiting from Germany something started to demand my attention.
Strong enough to the point that I had to stop eating/listening to the conversation that was going on at the dinner table and to move my awareness toward the daughter.
The feeling was to look toward my left side beside where the daughter was sitting and right in between her and her mom.

I try my best to ignore it…but my perturbed look caught the attention of my partner and the minister. So, there was absolutely no way to get out of it now…humm

The conversation we were having at the time was about some of the big/small dogs running loose in the village. There a lot of dogs around here; people buying because they like it when there puppies, and who doesn’t; but when there full grow they kind of loose interest and let them loose in the village; They are great as warning when the wolfs/bears come down the mountain but they also can be a nuisance when they start to pack up in group. Then the police as to be call in and start shoo…….! Let’s not get into that.

So the minister ask what’s wrong is there someone visiting?
Told her yes/no I’m not sure; but I have a question for your daughter. Is she’s scare of dogs? The daughter answers yes and especially the big one. I ask why? She said she does not know just a very bad feeling to the point of going across the street when she sees dogs.
In a matter of fact they were just taking about this before we came in and was asking her mother the why there so many here. So her mom’s had to give here the rundown why First Nation People always had dogs around the village/home. Another story for later…


As soon as she said that….there he was…standing right in between her and the mom.
Tall, strong; proud fully dress in his German youth uniform; black high boots/brown uniform with the arm band of red and black swastika and hat.
Hitler youths I think they use to call them I think. He was no more than 21-23 yrs old.
Standing and holding 2 huge black German Sheppard guard dogs in attention.
It did give me the cold shivers.

In between the dinner and desert I apologize to the mom and ask if I could take her daughter aside for a moment; she totally agree and said do what need to be done. I did not want to many different energy around to complicate the whole thing..lol

Told the daughter what was happening and ask her if she is ready to deal with the fears of dogs? She said yes and I started telling her what was happening at the dinner table.
She does know about some of that stuffs because of her mother Reiki training, so she was open to this kind of energy.

As soon as I started telling the story she just grab her throat and felt cold; she said she could sense the presence of a person and dogs attacking her. Told here to relax nothing is going to happen to her in the  here now; it was the pass coming back through me.

Told her what i could see from that experience/feelings;that she was a gypsy in the last previous life and was send to a concentration camp and she try to escape one night and almost made it to the other side of the second bar wire fence; all of a sudden she stated to see the same picture of where she was;
she was waiting in the dark for a while until the sentinel pass; but one did see her and he send the dogs after her.
She was attack brutally by the dog one of them going for the throat; and ripping flesh of her body while the other one keep on biting and dragging her. Everything was so clear even for her; she could see this as I too..

After a while Hans stop the dogs and look upon that poor body; he felt remorse/shame/felt pity towards the girl and took his gun and shot her to get her out of her pain; he call it a merciful killing. She died there just outside the fence, she almost made it.

That was the reason she was scare of dogs, left over energy that she brought back with her. She ask me what she should do?...good question I said.

What about Hans what does he wants from you and why now?

Apparently Hans wanted forgiveness for what he did!! Unleashing the dogs and killing her. A merciful killing as he said...

Forgiveness she said…He’s the one who kill me; I’m the one who died there in pain why should I forgive him for what he did...he should go to hell…lol…but then she came to her senses and said yes that’s not the way to react.

I said she could ask help from her mom in dealing with this forgiveness and if she do she will feel better about it and the fears of dogs may go away. She did agree to talk to her mom.

She did a ceremonies with her mom the next day and did give Hans forgiveness, she said it was very hard for her to do but after she felt like a heavy weight was lift of her shoulder so to speak. And 2 days later she started to tolerate and ever try to pet a German Shepard..!

The reason I telling this story form 3 month later is because Hans came and pay me a visit the other night. There he was standing  in a business suit tie etc; normal wear for someone who work in an office; he smile show me the old uniform and hat and throw it away form him where  it disappeared in the mist.
Gave me a great big smile and said thank you and disappear....

Make me wonder if it was/is Hans at the present time dealing with his past and demanding/asking forgiveness or was it a future self of him?
I know for a fact that i did not take him to higher focus level; there was no one/familly etc there ..just hans/the girl/and myself.

Was it a retreival or someone from this life dealing with his past...?

I do have a good feeling that he is alive now and dealing with past issues; the reason why i did not take him to the park or there was no reason to take him there.

But he’s happy now that what counts…and forgiven.
So that was my lesson on forgiveness; forgive and forget don't drag it too long as sometime i do..Smiley

Thanks for listening
With love Romain

PS. Forgiveness goes a long way right?












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Reply #1 - Oct 18th, 2007 at 6:58pm
 
What an exciting story Romain!

And indeed, your question:
"Make me wonder if it was/is Hans at the present time dealing with his past and demanding/asking forgiveness or was it a future self of him?"
is a very good question. I've done some exploring on my own aspects, and it can get confusing to decide whether there is an actual (semi-)person still stuck in a past life situation, or an aspect of me reacting to this unconscious past-life memory, or if there are are sort of hitchhikers, or parts of me put together by my higher self to form the entire me and so on...

Anyway, good work!

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Reply #2 - Oct 18th, 2007 at 7:57pm
 
Hi Dear Romain,

Yes, what an experience! You helped Hans, the girl, and her mother with your involvement.

You said: 'Was it a retreival or someone from this life dealing with his past...?'

I don't think it needs a label, and with three different souls involved---four or five lifetimes when you count the previous incarnations!---it would be hard to choose which angle to label.  Smiley

Seeing Hans in a business suit could be you seeing his current incarnation. You gave him his freedom from his old ways (him throwing out his uniform as a symbol), and he took the initiative to thank you, so he has changed.

That was a complex situation and you took the initiative to step in and make it right for all those people---congratulations!

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Reply #3 - Oct 18th, 2007 at 10:55pm
 
Hey you gus.. Wink
Spooky yes it can get very confusing I agree. Three month ago I would have said yes he is stuck somewhere. And he was for sure; but where is the question. And since I did not take him on higher level seems strange least to say.
For him to show up like that; and very adamant about it, kind of make me wonder the reason or reasons.
Yes he wanted forgiveness and got it; but there was something else. As it unfold today.

Hitchhiker who wanted to teach me a lesson yes, and about Forgiveness  he did.

While taking a long walk today by the ocean, relaxing not thinking of anything beside feeling the breeze/eagle singing above and smelling the fresh ocean air it came to me…State specific memories as Bruce call it.

To make a story short: this summer I went to visit my family who live across this big land mass called Canada, I live at one end and they live at the other end. Been years since I’ve seen them; and still felt some angers about family business; you know family things when parents pass on..like who get what etc…still felt bad about some of those issues with family…in other word I did not forget or forgive…  Embarrassed
I was still hanging to those superficial things.  :-

Hans showing up 3-4 nights ago and throwing up his old uniform out of the way was his message for me for  letting go of some of my luggage and give forgiveness; on top of saying thank you for helping him; he pay me back by  helping me with those issues  Cheesy
And I know for sure it was not me from a previous life; I would have know that; call it gut feeling. I did learn my lesson and feels better about it now. We all need Forgive and forget ”.. Wink

Thanks for listening Spooky.

Betsy..Smiley
****(Seeing Hans in a business suit could be you seeing his current incarnation. You gave him his freedom from his old ways (him throwing out his uniform as a symbol), and he took the initiative to thank you, so he has changed.)*** Kiss

Agree totally here dear one. Cool
After my walk today I knew that Hans is re-incarnated now somewhere. I have that gut feeling and he is working on his past life to clean it up a bit. Where and how he doing it; I don’t know but it’s working and doing a good job at it as far as i'm concern.
We can be doing the same thing also; all of us !!somewhere !! Who knows.

Needing a label…naw..but people like to label things.. Embarrassed

Complex situation it was but Guidance was also teaching me something about myself…too bad it took almost 3 month to figure it out.. Roll Eyes
Oh well better late than never as they say.

Thank you  for listening/note and love you too.


Well we are going to have a lots of RAIN today according to forecast for this area hang on to you hats….
Talking about Rain; I know you’ll be reading this…LaughingRain; well dear Soul something new came out of this experience too that night 3 month ago…the daughter..never met her before but had the distinct feelings that I knew her from somewhere.. she is part of the cave too….another one who’s part of us. Aren’t we all but you know what I mean. Wink

With love to you all
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Reply #4 - Oct 19th, 2007 at 1:40pm
 
Hi Romain, wow! its a treat to come here this morn and see your post.
definetely forgiveness and retrievals are the same thing, even though you may be a little confused that you did not do it traditionally by escorting Hans to focus 27, I have found that I do not do retrievals traditional style either, leaving it up to other guides and the powers that be to see everybody gets home safe and sound. also, it's quite all right, as a retriever to get the attention only of stuck ones, and not have to do more. getting attention on a matter, is like radar equipment of the all seeing eye in the center of your forehead for example; (this analogy) getting the attention has to do with the PUL inside of you which does not blame people or see fault with them, so it is also called forgiveness because you are giving your love, as you gave it -before- there was a blemish appear..so you have unconditional pure love operating there within your forgiveness as a practicing retriever. A retriever retrieves the energy by drawing attention to it. then you feel funny. like, isn't there more to it? wait! isn't that enough what you did, to recognize Hans was there? u are open to spirit operating and that is enough to call it a retrieval.

the reason forgiveness and retrievals are the same thing, is, as people who do retrievals, like you and I and all others who practice the art of forgiveness, as it's difficult, they are doing this energy transmutation, since what we are is humans who are of energy substance basically..we harbor many years negative energy from unforgiveness even within our body temple which can set up dis-ease there if not gotten rid of and forgiven.

then someone like you, who is sensitive to subtle energies in the room which are unlike PUL, comes along and releases the energy so, in a way the whole world benefits because there's that much less bad energy floating around to be effecting us as a whole. thank god u listened to your sensitivity that u sensed Hans was there. The daughter was bonded to the perpetrator thru a type of karmic condition, and only the victim can set the perpetrator free by forgiveness..a genuine release of negative energy. now she will be free and the fear of dogs will evaporate into nothing. to be free of any fear, this is all we can expect on this level, to work on all fear thoughts..whether from past or in the now, cause we carry them forward until we release them.
so as I see it all the higher selves in the room had a date with destiny to meet you, and for this to occur. everybody won out. yay!!!!


happy feeling just came.  Smiley We are all one with the spirit behind all the ideas that we are separate. so u just exposed the oneness as the truth.

Now DP wants a word: ok.  Lips Sealed JC told us to forgive when he was here as he knew of the power that was there in forgiveness. He went around not blaming anybody, not feeling hurt or upset about anything, he never had anything to forgive, as nobody knew what they were doing.."they know not what they do." So he used himself as example that forgiveness is the pathway to go as death was not real and so he showed them death had no power and no reason to fear it.

yet we come back here in another body and sometimes remember our deaths through a fear we have. (I think I was eaten by a shark, but only after I died, still, I didn't like a fish eating my former body, and so I still have the fear) I must forgive that dang fish!) come to find out it was just a clean up crew for the ocean, on auto pilot.

Here we have a girl who suffered to be bitten. she carried the fear; everytime she sees a dog, the fear arises. The fear would prevent her, in those moments, to feel love and she now can go forward and be free of that to enjoy her life. sooner or later, she will study why she wanted to come in and live that life where death could be experienced under those circumstances, and she will see that she need not feel a victim, as I am sure all lives have some intrinsic value for the soul traveling here, even that of babies who die early. she may be getting in touch with more lives, of her unlimited being right about now.

so there is so much misunderstanding about forgiveness, isn't there? maybe we can see it as the will to be gentle with ourselves and others, so to allow PUL to blossom forth during the shift. I could see it as "saving" folks, so says DP. because love sets us free, while fear binds us. and we do the same works then as JC who was teaching forgiveness so many years ago.
now gang, I am not a Christian. I don't look at people to worship them as individuals who are separate from me. we are all one, and we can be one with the Christed consciousness by serving life, by wiping sticky gooey stuff off their feathers, or retrieving.

you know that cave dream was a biggee for you. I always remember it too.
forgiving our family members for bad behavior is my path too Romain, sooner or later have to do the work! The Course in Miracles says it does get easier, that we can learn to do it automatically in the moment, and that would be a part of the speed up here in the shift in consciousness...wow!  instant forgiveness! what a thought! thanks DP!! lol. love ya, alysia
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Reply #5 - Oct 20th, 2007 at 9:31pm
 
LaffingRain wrote on Oct 19th, 2007 at 1:40pm:

A retriever retrieves the energy by drawing attention to it. then you feel funny. like, isn't there more to it? wait! isn't that enough what you did, to recognize Hans was there? u are open to spirit operating and that is enough to call it a retrieval.

***lol...Alysia..i knew you'll come through with kind words my dear.
Yes;  i think is was enough..but was expecting more...Like Oliver...more please.. Grin

humans  are of energy substance basically..we harbor many years negative energy from unforgiveness even within our body temple which can set up dis-ease there if not gotten rid of and forgiven.
** Yes and that's how we heal others ans ourself..well said LR**

The daughter was bonded to the perpetrator thru a type of karmic condition, and only the victim can set the perpetrator free by forgiveness..a genuine release of negative energy. now she will be free and the fear of dogs will evaporate into nothing.

***Perpetrator...never thought of it that way i've read about it never really thought of it that way..***

thank DP for his input... Cool..somehow i knew he was going to say something about this..love you both.. Wink

you know that cave dream was a biggee for you. I always remember it too.
forgiving our family members for bad behavior is my path too Romain, sooner or later have to do the work!alysia


*** And there're more to discovered in that cave too; i'm due to pay a visit again shortly.
thanks Alysia;
With much love;romain
PS; I'll have to learn how to do those cut and past or quote ond day..sorry for the mess..lol
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Reply #6 - Oct 20th, 2007 at 11:54pm
 
I have to admit Romain, when u mention cave, I see prehistoric people  Cheesy
maybe I should go with primordial instead!
I think cave is a symbol for going way back perhaps, to basics.

well I shall be awaiting your next visit then!  Smiley
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Reply #7 - Oct 22nd, 2007 at 9:50pm
 
LaffingRain wrote on Oct 20th, 2007 at 11:54pm:
I have to admit Romain, when u mention cave, I see prehistoric people  Cheesy
maybe I should go with primordial instead!
I think cave is a symbol for going way back perhaps, to basics.

well I shall be awaiting your next visit then!  Smiley


Alysia;
Primordial elements are chemical elements found on the earth that have existed in their current form since before the earth was formed; according to wiki.
And it may well be so... some of these form/energies were definitely not form this C1. Some were from the past and some where from a far away place in term of distance form here; or maybe from a different dimension/focus if you will.

Forgiveness would have started way back then..too... Smiley
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Reply #8 - Oct 22nd, 2007 at 11:44pm
 
oh Romain, u didn't tell me several years ago that some of the forms of energy were not from C1!  its about time u told me! haha!

now I know the cave was even more important event for you. good to know that.

I have had a couple of dreams to ponder on regarding the shift in consciousness. might just share a bit. evidently, we do go out at night to lecture halls, classrooms and such where our interests take us.
The cave might also represent the shifting times we are in. in one dream I followed Gordon into a huge event, the room was entered through a modern day shopping mall and had the feel of something major and something to be excited about, and it was important to be on time.
Gordon turned to me to ask what costume I would be wearing; lol, I think now he was making a little joke, as I had said once I couldn't find my ego one morning when I woke up. that was funny.
then I've been to several lectures that I recall in the I/there. it seems so natural to be doing this, yet it is symbology of the higher self activity in terms I can relate to, so that I know I'm receiving knowledge from I/there. I believe part of me is not incarnate in C1, and "feeds" this here gal info.
I could be wrong, but thats how I prefer to think about it at this time in order to understand myself.
another time I was at a conference, and towards the end I saw Timber and he grabs my hand and we fly out into the dark space and begin conversing about whats going on in his life and there was PUL.
Each time I go to these lectures and conferences there are so many heads extending past my eyesight, that I call it the shift in consciousness, tons of people, it's a good feeling! love, alysia
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Reply #9 - Oct 29th, 2007 at 6:10pm
 
LaffingRain wrote on Oct 22nd, 2007 at 11:44pm:
oh Romain, u didn't tell me several years ago that some of the forms of energy were not from C1!  its about time u told me! haha!

I believe part of me is not incarnate in C1, and "feeds" this here gal info.
I could be wrong, but thats how I prefer to think about it at this time in order to understand myself.
it's a good feeling! love, alysia


Alysia; sorry late to answer.
Yes there're were other energy not from C1; and need to be discoverd too, i'm working on it at a very slow pace...comes what may... Cool

Also regarding "Feeds" i believe that our guidance talking to us; to name one..but the others are all part of your higher self and who know how many we have in our disk.
I got the distinct feeling ( know)  that i getting "Feed" some stuff something that I'm not ever thinking of or not coming from me here at C1; once there was a feed from someone..probably from my disk trying to make me understand physic ( i means formula/long long words or never heard before)...could not understand/make sense at all what was said; had to say...ok..quiet now..come back in a few years when i may understand more of the process. And i close the link feed...lol.. a bit rude i may say.. Grin
There could be a physicist in my disk??

Yes Alysia your not the only one.
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Reply #10 - Oct 29th, 2007 at 11:04pm
 
thanks Romain, not letting me be the only one. I think DP fed me info like the scientist feeds you. makes sense. love, alysia
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Reply #11 - Feb 19th, 2008 at 4:32am
 
Dear Romain,

Very compelling story!
this is my first post, my first intervention in this forum.I do not have any FMI experience. I have only read some Bruce Moen books. I am desoriented with this topic.

Because I am a newcomer of............this subject I would like to ask some questions about your story.(sorry)

It doesn't feel right to me why Hans appears "Tall, strong, proud fully dress .........".when he looked for pardon. I wouldn't be "proud".

why did you ask the daughter about her fears of dogs? what moves you to ask that question?



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Reply #12 - Feb 19th, 2008 at 10:15am
 
Greetings toemoenage1 ----
and welcome to you!

Since Romain doesn't come by every day I'll offer a short answer to your question, as perhaps others will also so we can discuss this and meet you.  Smiley

A short answer would be that doing retrievals we meet a wide variety of people. Getting used to a wider variety of persons than we usually meet daily or choose as friends is part of the adventure of retrieving! I suppose it's also a test of our PUL (Pure Unconditional Love) that we use to calm stuck souls.

Apparently in this situation this fellow Hans Clauss still had pride and wanted to present himself looking good. He's not perfect, but he's ready now for a better place than where he was.

Please feel free to ask whatever comes to mind. We're glad to meet you!

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guapo wrote on Feb 19th, 2008 at 4:32am:
Dear Romain,

Very compelling story!
It doesn't feel right to me why Hans appears "Tall, strong, proud fully dress .........".when he looked for pardon. I wouldn't be "proud".

why did you ask the daughter about her fears of dogs? what moves you to ask that question?

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Welcome onbord Toemoenage1
Glad you enjoy the story !!
Why doesn't feel right to you that he appears "Tall, Stong"??

Valid question you ask; I did not know he was asking/looking for forgiveness/retrieval when he "show up", he was just standing there, making his presence know. He was there for a good 15-18 minutes before i started getting tired of seeing him there.

Maybe it was HIS WAY to make me pay attention...with the dogs. And i like dogs myself.

I did not know of the conversation between the daughter/mom about the dogs either.
And i don't know WHY i ask her if she like dogs; i just felt compel to ask her. And that's where i started getting "Rotes" or informations/message/hints from there/him to me. and the story unfold.

Hope that answer you questions..Smiley
Welcome to the board; keep up the reading..there're a lot on the archives very useful/great informations, and feel free to ask on the board for more.. But reading Bruce Book especially would help.

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Reply #14 - Feb 19th, 2008 at 12:11pm
 
You do not know how much I thank you for your warm wellcome. It is very important for me your welcoming!

I felt particularly "unfit" and out of this forum. I didn't like for you to feel criticism for my questions ( sure is not).

I accept your answers are valid, yes. Hans probably wouldn't know how to beg for pardon and he would adopt a "defensive-proud" posture ( to feel secure and to recognize himself). and which I liked the most is the one that you didn't know how you asked for the dogs. The very presence of dogs perhaps would be very unusual in the "retrievals".

I have to thank betson for her intuition  "PUL means.........." I didn't have a clue what it was and I didn't have the guts to ask more questions.
I have to recognize that i have a lot of fears and I like to finish with them.
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