JG, I think that I will be the judge of my heart not God(?).This judgment thing comes from the church to keep you in fear. Be afraid of what God is going to think stuff. Its just such cr-p as far as I can see. My God will never judge me, there is nothing for him to judge for in my Gods eyes I am the same as him.
Joe

hawkeye wrote on Sep 13^th, 2007 at 5:54pm:



And I do not disagree with that. The statement that I made about God judging you was based on the basic principle of alot of religions. It again is another "detail" that may or may not be true, but it was stated because we were speaking about RELIGION specifically. It wasn't me, JG, speaking on behalf of God and what he/she will or will not do. So it is unnecesary to take what i said as a literal and accurate view of life. It was just repeated sentiment in relation to the topic.

I for one am still in a learning phase. I am learning how to shun alot of what I learned religion-wise, and I am also trying to learn how to be more of a free thinker and increase my level of awareness and spiritualy, so if I say anything that is a reflection of something that is definitive of an idiosyncracy, then I advise to not take it to heart or get bothered by it. Your view is something I value as much as my own.....

[quote author=pulsar link=1189443764/15#20 date=1189843266]@LaffingRain

Fear and love do coexist.
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hey there, my point was that while "feeling" love, in that nano second you are feeling that, a switch in the mind has to be tapped in order to "feel" the fear, as the two emotions in their purest form do not co-exist in that nano second of space, but u r right that one or the other is up in our faces and we switch back and forth.
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Still today believers fear to fall apart from gods love, or even on profane occasions, if you have someone you love , you care for him/her, but you also sometimes fear to lose this person. So it really goes hand in hand.
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as regarding the fear of losing someone u love; you set them free, if they return to you they belong to you, if they don't, they were never yours. btw, sometimes there are certain people you need to set free as they don't need what you have to give them. we are all worthy of love though.
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I don't see anything wrong with your thought system Pulsar; you're a thinking person who obviously just doesn't go along with the crowd and u do a bit of boat rocking which is fun but not harmful in the end.
one thing to remember about about those who preach, who have the title of minister, preacher, chaplain, priest, etc. bible scholars, etc. its all the same.

these are those with a certain behavior pattern. I too am among this pattern, so I'm not putting myself down for that either.
but heres the nitty gritty of that pattern of person: we all teach who we are to others just by our self expression.
the fact is we ALL teach what we need to learn.

so if you think on that for awhile its simple. that minister that you go to every Sunday to hear him or her preach, they are simply there to learn also what it is they are preaching about. so they are no more "worthy" or enlightened than you are.

anybody who comes to planet Earth is here because they are not perfect yet.

then you want to take that further concentrate on this if you believe in god, whatever that may be to you, god is love to me. "He sees the sparrow fall."
so, he sees us when we fall as we are more than a sparrow, each one.

and those that preach at you, even from a book, whatever, if they didn't have you to preach at, they would be up a creek without a paddle.
geez, there's nothing sadder than a preacher with no congregation, or worse yet, lol, a glassy eyed congregation whom the minister was the only one in touch with god and not able to bring god into the room for the others.

we should have a "rate your minister survey" maybe. love to all, alysia

I do not see my self that much enlightened, to bring across another image, I found the candle, but lost the lighter.
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I can relate to the above ok. I get dream messages from time to time, designed only for my instruction but I like to pass them on and others will sometimes tell me their dream messages too. in the dream is usually an aha moment of fascinated attention on something which causes memory in the morning.  I had an upstairs at the time and on the staircase wall near the top was a chandelier fixture with crystals, and beautifully ornate. as the dream continued I said to myself, it has never worked, it needs fixing. it is useless therefore. just as I said that I was shown a switch. I flipped the switch and VIOLA!! it lit up like christmas was here and a voice reminded me I just hadn't known of the switch was there. so you didn't lose anything, too soon to say that something is lost. and like me you have the candle which can be lit. what you are expressing about losing the lighter, is the same thing (to me) as saying your cup is half empty. if you change that around to the cup is half full, u get the idea, that its a mental exercise which will create your reality. in time.
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Pulsar said:
You are absolutely right, we can learn from each other, if we are willing to listen. It works only, if for this moment of "group evaluating" the own pov plays not the major role, but e.g. giving the chance for everyone to speak up, and accept every single view, no matter what it is like, with all rights and wrongs.
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I saw an image of you sitting in a psychology class after I read this. have you sat in some? this is how they do it in group sessions.
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Pulsar said:
God is love, or has a never ending patience with our doings.
But he is also (never forget that I am slow in getting over old habits, so this whole system that I brought up is the idea of what god would be for me, if I really was a believer, I am not sure if I found out about him/her yet, or if he is there or not, again another sheet filled with theorizing).
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nothing wrong with theorizing, we just call it interpreting around here. what I sometimes think of the word god. that the word is god, but as far as images goes, images can be useful tools, as in an artistic way, what I see us as cells in a body of god, then one can make jokes when bored about which part of gods body one is living in. so its not like god is anywhere "out there" unless you want to say god is the air we breath. the body cannot live without air provided to it, so we are in atmospheric god you might say, the more people that are in agreement about something, as say a prayer by one is powerful, but a prayer with two joined is more yet powerful, then think of a whole group joined in same intention and there you can see the power of god, a little like the group activity you mentioned earlier where people are listening to each other in earnest and not judging, then u will see a healing atmosphere develop as a natural occurrence. Healing is always contained within the thought of god.
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Alysia said: as regarding the fear of losing someone u love; you set them free, if they return to you they belong to you, if they don't, they were never yours. btw, sometimes there are certain people you need to set free as they don't need what you have to give them. we are all worthy of love though.
Pulsar:
Worthy of love, yes, that is every single one of us, but everyone does in his/her own ability something, that is useful for others (does not match that with the meaning of love)
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you seem to be talking about service to one another, either reflected in business concerns or in spiritual terms service to one another, it should have everything to do with love if it's based on undistorted or unconditional service values (love) but you're right we do not equate the feeling of love, with the feeling of being of service to another. yet. give us time. more or less talking about humanity's evolvement rather than just this board.
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Pulsar said:
I talked about proving oneself "worthy", sounds a little fascist, it is in harsh words, what I wrote in the sentence before. To make something out of this love given by the divine one/principle (of what I spoke in this pseudo-philosophical approach, the "giver and taker"-principle).
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maybe the extent of one's creative powers will be measured by their desire or their heart's yearning for fulfillment, which would mean, to me, a breaking out of habitual thought patterns which are insecurity producing. if I may continue to define god, I would say finding god would be like finding you've always been safe from harm but didnt realize it until now, that god followed every single step you took. as far as proving oneself worthy, there is a thought system out there we are experimenting here on Earth with our free will choices, we are always trying to prove something is true, when maybe its all true and its all false at the same time. we deal mostly with the five sensory senses here of the body, to collect our experiences. our thoughts are slowed down vibratory rate here in a body, its a very good place to prove oneself worthy, however you want to take that, we build ourselves here.
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lol, here is DP (my other self) preaching again: then you want to take that further concentrate on this if you believe in god, whatever that may be to you, god is love to me. "He sees the sparrow fall."
so, he sees us when we fall as we are more than a sparrow, each one.
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Pulsar said: What is god...another good question. I think of god being the ultimate, innermost truth of this whole existence, I don't know what it is, if it is undiscovered matter, if it is found within our mind, or something that is to fully discover when doing the transition.
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the question what is god is more like a path to follow over a lifetime, yet though some of us are more religious than others, still our scientists are the same, asking the question who and what are we? it is like asking what is god.
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Pulsar said;
What I really hope, that my future posts will be more than just boat rocking amusement
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I did not mean it that way you took it. I happen to love boat rockers exceedingly well as there are so few of them around.
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but I have to say you are right, there is too much quarrel going on, to be reliable.
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u mean on Earth in general? I'd agree. it is more like posturing and you can't take people seriously when it's all just pomp and circumstance, it is not reliable, then you have to get your answers from within yourself. all others do really, to help, is point a finger in some direction, which point you may arrive somewhere, only to see there is another reference point to begin again..movement seems paramount of importance here, mental, heart, and physical movement so to not get stuck and need retrieving! lol. you're doing ok.
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Pulsar said:
That has to change. There has to be more structure, too much of skipping from one point to another, so the overall sense sometimes get lost.
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oh, u just noticed that did you?  its always been a skip hop and a jump around here Pulsar, not likely to change either. thats why I said your answers will begin to come from within you, then what others are talking about makes more sense gradually.
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all in all though it's a fine place to think outloud and sometimes someone responds, reaching across miles of spacial distance and it's like they are in the same room with you..gotta love the internet tool of communication and this board of regulars.