hiya. am reading a book called Journey of Souls and one thing that struck me was the issue of young or old souls. Do you think souls are constantly being created? At the other end of the scale do you think some are "absorbed back" into oneess with God or something? And what is the correlation between youngness and traits - for example are young souls more likely to behave brutally and selfishly, or are they just more naive and easily hurt etc ? Also what was going on in terms of soul journeys back in the days when there was no intelligent life here to speak of ? were they incarnating somehwere else, or did they just have to wait until humans came along?

dave_a_mbs wrote on Sep 6^th, 2007 at 6:56pm:


thanks for the input. i guess that is certainly a possibility. I guess would implie then, thinking about it, that there is a hierarchy of importance - with beings evolving towards being as aware and loving and wise and so on as possible, from simple organisms to saint.. I guess equally some scientists would say this is just typical human thinking, that we are the pinnacle of creation etc, and actually some bacteria etc get along fine in their own way without being very clever, creative or loving etc, and it is just a matter of our human point of view! just musing!

Can't remember me as worm or so, one scene (I had asked for a former life info) though seemed to be a group of pre-humans where one of them seemed to be me, or at least somehow connected to me.
  When I asked for informations about "me" before first incarnated on earth, I came up with impressions/brief story of a nonphysical being, a glowing rainbow-colored ball of light with a tail. A quite nasty being as far as I could make out. It was a sort of arrogant predator, destroying systems just for fun and/or nutrition.
  I think the answer of where souls come from in the end is over our heads. There are so many re-shapings, evolutions, meltings and separations that the question maybe doesn't make much sense.

Spooky

the_seeker wrote on Sep 6^th, 2007 at 9:41pm:


err, no.. I guess not!

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this brings up some theoretical issues open to debate.  i believe in journey of souls, it says the holocaust victims chose to be victims to achieve a higher purpose.  however, that doesn't mean that hitler was "fulfilling his purpose."  it means that the victims' souls chose to take a negative situation and give it a higher purpose.

some people choose to be murdered, but that doesn't make murder right, does it?  all of our purpose is to love more and turn away from things like murdering each other.

There are numerous sources which in their own way, including Robert Monroe, Bruce Moen and Betty Eddie, state that we start out as spirit beings, and at some point some of us decide to become human. There are many spirits that "never" take on a physical life form.

I agree with this way of thinking.  Perhaps some animal Souls work their way up to human form, but perhaps we place too much value on the necessity of "human" life when it comes to what is necessary in order for consciousness to evolve.

A Soul's essential nature isn't determined by what kind of body it used for a "short" while.  Therefore, it's ability to evolve wouldn't be limited by whether or not it ever got around to using a human body.

Michael Newton tends to represent the reincarnation viewpoint in conventional terms.  He hasn't noticed a contradiction that occurs within his own books. He states that some Souls will take on multiple incarnations. What happens when such incarnations return to their Soul center? Do they fight it out over which new personality will be the surviving personality? Does the Soul center tell them you're both being dissasembled according to my liking?  If any of these answers is true it negates the theory that one needs to incarnate over and over and over again in order to work out personality traits.

I believe that we are closely connected to other Souls in the spirit World. We share our lessons with each other to an extent that negates the necessity for any one particular self to incarnate over and over and over again. Why would a self want to do such a thing when physical life contains so much sufffering, while the spirit World doesn't, except for when one ends up in a lower realm, which is something Michael Newton refutes the existence of (numerous out of body explorers have found differently).

Think of it. A self is born into a very difficult incarnation. Raised by violent racist parernts. Becomes the same kind of person. Ends up in a lower realm for a while until he finally, if at all, works his way out. Goes through a healing process in the spirit World after he chooses to go to the light.  As many near death experiencers have found a heavenly realm isn't a place one would ever want to leave. Would such a guy be willing to go through it all again, if he found there are other ways in which he could grow? Certainly the World of spirit has growth methods and ways of releasing negative energy that are hard for us to conceive of while we are in the physical.  Including the fact of Souls sharing their experiences with each other as already mentioned above.

I believe it is possible there are some exceptions.  But such exceptions aren't enforced on us.  It is up to us.   

recoverer - NO lives recovered through hypnosis sound like a good time to me.  in fact, i'm anti-life in the sense that i think living a life on earth is stupid and pointless.  however, other people don't, and yes they do choose to come back into terrible lives.  most people enjoy life, or at least enjoy the spiritual lessons it imparts.  of course heaven is a much better place, and souls know that.  but they see a life on earth as like a duty or a chore (a means to an end).   one book descirbed souls as seeing it as "like mopping the floor." some are grumpy or unsure about leaving heaven, but they leave anyway.  and they know it will be temporary.  compared to the endless time in heaven, it's not even as long as the blink of an eye.

Hawkeye:

To add more, if you really look at what a biological organism is, how could one form be more worthy than another.  If you looked at the organism of a dog real closely,  threw human vanity out the window, and then compared the dog organism with the human organism, you'd find a lot more commonality than differences.

Plus, consciousness, which comes from no other place than the source of all, doesn't stop being the same as all other consciousness, simply because it hung out in a dog body for a while.



 

Spirit is

hawkeye wrote on Sep 7^th, 2007 at 1:34pm: