Dave:

Albert? Who's that? Just kidding.

Interesting enough, I didn't experience a lot of fear when my first out of body experience took place. Not even when I saw a spirit. Eventhough I hadn't heard of astral projection, I was spiritually minded at the time. This probably made a difference.  I considered this to be yet another spiritual experience that I happened to be having at the time.

At the time I hadn't read any spiritual books, and was in the Army. When my service period with the Army ended I returned home and expected people would understand what I was talking about when I shared my experiences. What I understood seemed so natural. I'd tell them things such as,  "just because we can perceive the World, this doesn't mean that it actually exists," or I'd tell them about going out of body. I soon learned that there are many people you can't share spiritual experiences with. 

dave_a_mbs wrote on Aug 9^th, 2007 at 10:26pm:

Hey there,

don't be just offended by what I am saying now, but I think the devil (or kind of a nihilistic principle, in a state where we find ourselves just too comfortable easy blinded by all that glitters, that is not gold at all...) for us is sometimes necessary, just to know where we really belong. Kind of remembers me of the dialogue between the Lord and Mephisto (who in this case is you could say a servant of hell, the nihilistic principle arguing against the creation, seing humankind as a plague, and like to play with humanbeings for his own joy), where it turns out, that this kind of devil is the one, that makes people move out of their state of being easy to please with words, not able to grow out of himself, maybe to reach out for a higher self, he pulls people into sin, tries to teach them the wrong way away from god. But in spite of this all, the Lord states during this dialogue, that man knows his roots, knows to tell wrong from right, so it is really like the headline of this topic, that devil(s) exist but the Lord has to win in the end, because the devil is only a part of creation, and creation is meant to have a good ending for the righteous one, who can rely on doing good and reminding himself during acting bad, that his purpose on this earth is to act in a way, he can create something positive, so devil himself can just be a part time fellow, but has always just the purpose to tickle and plague, maybe this leads to misbehaviour, but just in the moment of aknowledging wrongdoing is really wrong, the Lord himself has won.
So the devil is just there to tempt, to confuse, to tear apart, to destroy, but it is our very quest not to be overwhelmed by him, according to from whom we come and what our quest is, to fulfill his plan.
In a dualistic system there have to be contradictions, but this contradictions in this case just belong to our mind, good and bad as part of our everyday life, so we are daily determined to avoid the bad/devil (fears, ego, lazyness) to give our very best to grow (would be the good).
From my position, I tend rather to believe like it is written on the top of my post, that everyone, be it earlier or later,  begins to live our lifes according to state positive things, so the devil fades... .

The devils we know best were just mentioned before, egocentered behaviour, me myself and I as my only friends, whatsoever, if we can overcome them, at least the good part of creation won one more time, and on and on, depends on how many people kind of "repent", but from the point that the good part always wins, it has to be everyone, who was/is/will be born.

So there's nothing to worry about, Juditha, as the devil fell apart from god, he cannot have the power to gain control over the creation, not even to disturb the relation between god and his children.

Love,

pulsar