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Re: The 7th (or 8th ?) Sense
Reply #15 - Jul 2nd, 2007 at 11:00am
 
Dave said: (This is a spinoff from Kaluza's model connecting gravity and E-M.)

can u give me a brief run down Kaluza's model? I never heard of him. Smiley

I realize in order to explain somebodys work might take a book, so I understand if you want to skip the question, just curious here.

regarding magnetic energy. PUL is expansive energy; expands perceptions. I agree PUL does not get weaker the further away we get from it as does gravity. perhaps because gravity is only noticed in ELS. perceived I should say. mother earth has to have some way of grounding and peopling Earth station.

I enjoy obes, astral flights precisely because the first thing I notice upon becoming lucid that I am out there, is the lack of gravity, the flowing nature of movement in this other body form and the ability to leap high or fly, due to no gravity. putting ones hand thru walls is another lucid trigger.

when I did laying on of hands, some folks, in order to explain what was happening, they would say that the heat was magnetic resonance or energy. this seemed to satisfy our desire for explanation for awhile, however, magnetic force, whatever u want to call it, zapped by god, lol, to illustrate it as such still does nothing to explain what happens during a healing, and the feelings of both healee and healer who share a moment of being transported to, well, a lack of boundary between them, where we have only PUL as an explanation. yet to say love is god, this generates distaste these days, yet if you lack left brain intellect, scientific explanation, or even logical words, none will have faith, nor trust, in the free healing thats there to accept.

so I'm reluntant to call it a tidy package of magnetic resonance as then it implies that I am in possession of this as a power, and of course, joining with another has nothing to do with one saying I can do this thing, and you can't. joining with another energy field u have to ask permission first of their higher self, then the energy comes into them through the healers hands according to what size cup they hold up to spirit.
maybe man has a need to always be in pursuit of a mystery? for if we knew everything at all moments of the day, what in the world would we be doing experimenting on ELS?
therefore it must be a classroom, even if the higher self knows everything there is to know and is perfected already in perfect love.

my explanation is wholly unscientific and it bugs me that I can't hold an intelligent conversation with the minister of the religious science church. but its funny too!
what I say in my mind before a healing...I think of PUL. a spirit descends and is well pleased in this man or woman before me. like they were sacred and so it is. then I feel their yearning for wholeness because I too have the same yearning for wholeness, then theres more power for spirit to work with. placing the hands near the top of the head u start to get a buzz already as the aura extends outwards, an energy field. then u say use me to spirit, I'll get my head out of the way. then actually touching the top of the head you use imagination to help the flow.

they have some healers forums out on the web where they all get together to discuss what they don't understand. If this caught on in the general public, the hospitals would go out of business. see, I'm always jumping too far ahead.

love to you all, try healing a simple headache sometimes on another, you just might blow your mind. alysia

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Reply #16 - Jul 2nd, 2007 at 3:03pm
 
Kaluza found that by expressing the nature of reality in four or five dimensions (depends on which version) he was able to twist the description around to get a basic model of gravitation in terms of General Relativity, as well as a description of electricity and magnetism in terms of Maxwell's Equations. The questions raised were whether or not this is "true", since it is a description in math terms as opposed to physical "watch the meter wiggle as I fiddle the framistat" laboratory experience. Out of his work, plus a couple of new assumptions, came a bunch of math descriptions of reality called "string theory". Hawking feels that one description is as good as another, since they're all abstractions, so a model that fits well is all we need. I feel that if and only if the model can be reduced to demonstrable primitives, observable in the laboratory, is a model more than a pretty picture.

A lot of theoretical physics is "armchair science" conducted by sinking back into our waffle bottom recliners and passing wise airs. (A lot of Freudian theory about mental structure was of that sort.) I feel that this is incomplete, and that a laboratory verification of each of the terms of a model is necessary, or it is just another abstraction. (This is why much of Freud's work was later replaced by more careful laboratory experimentation in behavior.)

Now, to add a tad - In my efforts to locate related stuff I have encountered at least one condition in which there seems to be an energetic field that is not visible to others who are not "looking in the right place", that causes events very similar to electro-magnetic phenomena, but seems to have an existence wholly separate from E-M. One problem is to develop a way to put a meter into this field, so I can measure something. This may be the "raise your hackles" energetic field. I haven't found anything measurable as yet, except sensation. I can suggest a 7-space resonance that might be involved, but that's just another speculation at present.

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Reply #17 - Jul 2nd, 2007 at 3:17pm
 
thanks Dave, sounds like Einstein stuff Smiley a former mentor of mine, Thelma Moss, used to take pictures of the human aura, etc, everything has a field photographical. Thelma is probably deceased now, but I googled her recently. Kirlian photography they called it.

probably has nothing to do with what you mentioned. interestingly, Thelma had some wild ideas, she said a person who works with the numbers area, is an equally highly evolved being alongside our religious leaders, for example. I am not into measuring things, except that the world makes me do this. Smiley my birthdate for example is a measurement I prefer not to discuss. ever. Cheesy

thanks for your response. I enjoy it. love, alysia
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Reply #18 - Jul 2nd, 2007 at 3:37pm
 
The best wine is found in dusty bottles.

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Reply #19 - Jul 2nd, 2007 at 4:47pm
 
Dave said:
'I have encountered at least one condition in which there seems to be an energetic field that is not visible to others.'

Does this type of energy have a name yet?

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Reply #20 - Jul 2nd, 2007 at 5:07pm
 
Not yet. Worse, I can't readily demonstrate it to others yet. The best I can do is to say that it is a repeatable observation. I'll have to see how many others sense it before I can do much more with it.  It may be that I'm totally full of hot air in this regard. - Time to go ballooning. Smiley

Without going into the morality or wisdom of the thing (I don't claim to be intelligent or especially streetwise) you can get a good idea of what I'm looking at by poking up www.erowid.org and going to the section where people have recorded experiences using Salvia Divinorum. Look for references to the "membrane".  The other reports that are there suggest the kind of craziness that accompanies placing the mind in such a state, as well as the pain of the experience when it misfires. I scared the unholy hell out of myself with this stuff one day and gt an experience of being stuck in a world of jumbled event frames, like seeing myself as a character in a cartoon, except that the cartoon was on a strip of 3-D film that went forwards and backwards.

The aspects that intrigued me are that the experiences are repeatable for many unrelated observers, but appear to be "energetic projections" of some state which arises from perfectly normal causes. The value of drugs in locating this kind of thing is simply that they limit normal processes and leave whatever remains. Often it's worthless noise, but when it is repeatable over a large number of observers, there is definitely something going on.

The only thing I'll say to excuse my flagrant abuse of my body is that Edgar Cayce started this way - multiple doses of morphine and strychnine given without his knowledge by well-meaning physicians, that put him into the hyperspace in which he was able to do his thing.

Unless you are both foolish and masochistic, I advise that you study this phenomenon only by the reports of others. Given that, I'll keep you informed if I discover anything useful. Or, if I abru[tly stop posting, you'll know that I've followed my interests into hyperspace. Whoopee - we're all gonna die! (or something)  Undecided

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Reply #21 - Jul 2nd, 2007 at 11:46pm
 
that sounds frightening Dave. glad u made it back from that experience.
I dropped acid when I was a hippy a few times, frankly, I couldn't handle it as well as my collegues so gave it up rather fast but I still got some ideas from doing it, which benefited me.
I read that brain scientists can touch different parts of the brain to induce paranormal experiences, but then again, I would rather no one touch my brain nor any other organ I may possess Smiley
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