r=betson link=1182978048/0#0 date=1182978047]Greetings,

(I just checked Google and found that remote vewing is now considered the 7th sense, so here's an idea for the eighth.  It won't surprise most of you all, you probably take it for granted already, but I bet it would surprise folks at the local pub or streetcorner ! )---what do you think ?
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hey, thats good we put a number on extra sensory perception , remote viewing as the 7th, sounds very logical. I cast my vote late, but I like it!
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Our eighth sense could very well be our sense of electro-magnetic fields. We can't venture into spiritual realities without it.
While in the physical we notice the hair on the back of our necks stand up when an entity approaches.
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a little joke. the hair on the back of my neck is permanently standing up. I can only get them to lay down when I think of love.
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That's not fear, it's the entity's E-M field--we can then choose to react with fear or to introduce ourselves in a mode of kind curiosity .
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I like your train of thought. especially about the choosing part.
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While OB or phasing, the first indication one gets of another entity of any kind being nearby is to feel the electro-magnetic field change.
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I think you're right. here's another description. when another approaches, or we approach another energy field "out there" we pick up their energy signature.
the energy signature can be likened to a certain pitch or tone, or even to what we used to call vibes. it can be likened to picking up a persons entire thought paradigm, or even it can be likened to empathy, where emotional status sends a signal about the person's thought paradigm.
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We can then refine our sense of the E-M field to tell whether the entity is operating with PUL or other positive effects, or whether it has some other charge.
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thanks, I see you and I are on the same wave length. I would say from a study of my dream symbols, that my meetings with others out there first occur during an energy context as described above. then a signal gets sent to my sleeping brain, and this signal is transposed into an image, or a symbolic image supplants what really did occur out there. then the tricky part is placing the right interpretation on the symbolic images so that I can properly understand myself and my interaction nonphysically.
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If you've been exploring and retrieving you know all this.  So I guess I bring it up because 1) I don't want to listen to those guys arguing next door
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I like this thread better too!  its more to my preferences. you're a sweetie Bets, gee, I hope I don't get beat up for being too friendly....    I'm sorry, but I just found out my emotional nature is like a big clumsy dog...
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(i.e. thread) , and 2) because if the newbies knew how practical this sensitivity is, and that it's developed more quickly out of the physical body, then maybe they'd put more time into learning these 'afterlife' skills.
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actually I'd reword that a little because not everyone believes they can obe, and its not necessary to obe to get your knowings, but obe  or phase comes naturally with the practice of meditation in some cases, as it did in mine. most of us just have a few involuntary obes in a life time, that may change shortly. some are born with the talent it looks like. others develop it. some never try, too far fetched for them. so we could say that even sitting quietly, reflecting on people that do obe, we can call that a type of meditation because usually thinking hard, to ask a question, may lead a person in the direction they want to go to explore these topics. thats the natural way to go, my opinion, also some young people will never be interested in obe or meditation. they only came to experience what their 5 senses can give them. in that case, its a choice for sure, and there's no right way or wrong way to go on a journey here, it looks like its very personally constructed from the outset, as with a planning committee in the sky.
my opinion from meditating a lot, or just thinking hard which is any thought which manages to stay in my cranium for more than 2 minutes.
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Here are some of the uses the eighth sense has---sense who you're compatible with, who you can trust to do business with
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this is interesting..this we can liken to focus 15, a place of no time. this is where i can pick up energy fields of those I want to hire for a certain project I may have around the home. I sometimes am normal and use the yellow pages, but if don't get a sense its the right person, I usually sleep on it and meet someone in symbolic terms, I can become familiar with them before I meet them. then when back in C1, what happens is they come walking up to meet me in the flesh and it's a feeling of dejevous, or a knowing occurs that this is the right person. I may get a peaceful feeling also. if u guys want to try this, before you sleep on a question so to speak, also ask whom you can serve, while they are serving you with the practical matter at hand.
in this case the whole experience become infused with spiritual implications. a word you say is helpful, or they point out something about yourself which causes joy.
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, who you need to avoid (or teach)
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avoidance within wisdom or spirit guidance can be many of our shortcomings to look at.
I think it may fall back on trusting your intuition. I have gotten in trouble not trusting my intuition. yet at the end of the troublesome situation I learned something valuable with self talk and clearing up the trouble. usually I find I'm teaching only myself, because we are all one on this other level. intuition itself may be the 8th sense, which lies undeveloped for the most part.
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etc. And probably it goes beyond the transpersonal and applies to inter-species connections too. Wow, come to think of it, why just be sensitive to other life forms? ---geo-magnetic grid lines, power points, dowsing skills all make use of the 'eighth sense.'
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I think you're right again. Sensitivity is more than just relating to people, but to the core of matter itself, including plant, animal, sky and universe.
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If yours is already operating, what other uses do you find for it?
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thanks for the invite. I like expressing these things. its so hard to do with a vocabulary. I also invite others to tell us what is their thing they are doing with non/physical senses.

love, alysia

so we are trying to name the 8th sense?
you say its electro magnetic attractions...

could you go into some more detail what is electro magnetic attraction?
otherwise I will utilize my intuition what you r saying


i was reading some material recently about the future. communities will spring up based on cooperative endeavors. this creates a thought field, a magnetic thought energy field which attracts the others into it. the more that people think the same goals, the stronger can be felt the outer rings, to attract the same energies and it keeps getting more powerful.

thats all I can think of electro magnetic. except that lightning is electric, is light, is energy, and that the light and electricity may be the same thing, but different functions of the same thing.

Hi Alysia,

You are such an energy field yourself,  so immersed in electro-magnetic charges, that you cannot 'see the woods because the trees stand in the way'?!
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oh lord I love getting nailed this way   I even wrote a song to a fellow said I was watching the grass grow while he had to go conquer the world, I wrote "you say I can't see the forest cause I'm tending the tree? what I meant was I'm not worldly ambitious, I am spiritually ambitious, but you're on the right track, my guides told me a future book on the agenda was to explain polarity energy as alternating currents. now, thats a neutral outlook sort of. btw, in my dream message, I was explaining to a group that this book would occur in "my next life."  however, my next life appears to be in this lifetime now.
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It would be easier to describe to someone not into spiritual life.  You and I would call it love/PUL, but some are shy of those words, so a more neutral term is electro-magnetic. Love is the electro part. It's just the energy that says we're on the right track.
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yes I understand the need to get unfluffy and down to earth for the general population's benefit, for all of us to evolve into understanding who and what we are. its hard if you are walking around blissfully all the time!   Gordon Phinn is a great help to TMI concepts as well a great retriever. He helped me understand electro magnetics, or got me into the right direction back in 02. his book will explain that as he's out and about, growing in awareness, into explorations of our unlimited being out there, the I/There Monroe speaks of, that occassionally he will "release his charge." lol. we call it having sex on this level, a total misnomer. yet my studies of polarity exchanges based on unconditional love exchanges, merging of energy fields out there goes right along with his descriptions of releasing a charge, and on a spiritual type rendering, that would be my job to explain we are co-creators with God/light to be able to do this, and exhibit the oneness concept, which PUL activates in the mental areas. I call it heart intelligence at present.
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Now that you have brought up intuition, I've been thinking on it and it seems that intuition is another of our words for receiving bits of this same force.
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I thought of another word that goes with intuitive. that of synchronization that occurs from listening to it. where DP says the path is made smooth in terms of religious concept.
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It seems that 'intuition' is a way of referring to the murmerings of soul about how much PUL (that is, how much electro-magnetic force) is in a particular situation.
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I knew u were in my life for some reason this brings us some rote like things; the murmerings of soul is a nice poetic term, right up my alley, I would call the murmerings, memories of soul if I were trying to explain to a person who did not believe life continues after death; I would tell them they are attached to their future life by the tail of their soul memories.
could we measure PUL? all acts of PUL would seem maximum in single instances of place and time. that is if there's no conditions put on it. we might measure it's duration in moments though. wouldn't your antannae receptors (empathy recorder, I just made that up. lol)  wouldn't these receptors be doing unconscious to C1, doing the measurement for you?  just a thought concerning trust.
I don't know how u got on my same page I was just reading in Bruce's Voyages Into the Afterlife Vol 3 yesterday about an experiment to measure PUL, this energy, and while immersed in the feeling of it, the group who were attempting measurement got too blissed out to even bother measureing it..I was reading that story and giggling my head off.
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  Not the powerful PUL that one feels when out/phasing/sensitive to spiritual guidance, but just the trickle of PUL that can get through material reality, ego, fast schedules of busyness, etc.---Maybe I'm trying too hard to lump it all together.
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the trickle..it does seem different in C1, much more powerful with the I/There. yet I feel, think, we must make C1 and I/There into one place, where each influences the other until they become One state of conscious awareness/being. Well, I agree, its not practical to be blissed 24/7, yet it is possible to experience a subtle feeling of peace within at all times with attention to keeping oneself stable in that priority.
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Those communities you speak of sound somewhat like some of the more successful communes of the 1960's--the ones that were grouped around an idea instead of around a guru. One in the US midwest I know of is still a group of people who now call themselves a business, because their love of wildlife ecology helped create the midwest's prairie preservation movement (planting native species.) They still eat and work together through their love for each other and for their work's purpose. They were a magnetic force in bringing interest to that way of nurturing the environment.
There must be lots still around. Several exist around Mt Shasta in California. Perhaps these are the seeds of that idea.
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hmm. have to google Mt Shasta. I might want to live there. I'm still waiting to see where I get sent to next. love! and the Adventure Continues! alysia

yes I would like that Bets

I wonder why your hairs stand up too Dave?  don't you think we can combine in our thought science with spirituality without it being de-humanizing?
was thinking PUL energy is not at all dehumanizing once we all can agree what is it is as opposed to what it isn't. polarities like u and I seem to attract here, although I've been accused of not being deep enough before, I do think life itself is a sacred mission no matter what quantum ideas get accepted, or like me with my holograms floating around, it's still PUL energy and creative components of that PUL that keep me interested in what a human being is made up of, who we are.
ok, suppose it can't done. religion and science are just not compatible. still, it certainly keeps me occupied until I can catch a bus out of here   not that I'm clock watching or anything.

if I ever get smarter I'll come visit you when I'm a ghost and give u a thumbs up I'm sure.

Dave said: So I'm poking about in between that "what" and the "why".
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oh. u just described a feeling. I don't think thats ever been done here

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I like what Kyo once said here concerning these areas of exploring like pioneers, he said theres another institution of learning just down the road and over the bend where they have invented new terminology, verbs and nouns, what not, and if we mosey on over, we'll see we are not the only fox in the hen house during what I choose to call the shift in consciousness and what another will call enlightenment or even ascension.

now, wait. just had this other thought that you were not expressing a feeling. I was shifting into another nonphysical sensory place, to express my comparisons to symbolic words.

I admit my first impressions of electro magnetics was that there was so much more to the what, the how, the why of it then those words, unless we are all rather like the image our friend brings to us, Senote, I believe, standing there in a ring of electricity.
I like fairy dust images better but I'll take any image but the pig in the mud one upsets me a little.

I suppose the whole point, from my view right at the moment, of this thread where its going, is that we deal with self images as if they were the only reality, and these images come from our own beliefs and desires. since an image and a word as well are incomplete vistas and not the only reality but allude to something else, we might as well be pigs in the mud

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to go there. I've often thought PUL was the glue of the universe where you say it can be compared to gravitation..

then u said ..without the decline due to physical separation".

you mean gravitation forces, glue, is still active after death? no decline or decay?

Yes. I'd agree. one thing we want to be extremely careful not to dehumanize a journey, no matter what the pathway is. technology getting the upper hand was what sent Atlantis back to the drawing board my opinion.

change out God to All That Is, is sometimes helpful when I get to thinking a wee bit too hard. Moen's books, for all the newbies might be here, starts out with him asking these questions: what am I, and who am I, I guess we could throw in why am I just to keep it interesting. love, alysia

sounds plausible to me Bets considering words shortchange the whole experience, I guess thats because we all agree can't share an emotional experience which can become sacred to us, the PUL experience does elevate us higher than C1.

heres a metaphor what happend the other night. and Im just like anybody else. theres probably mobs of folks having these experiences and then just forget about them in the normal course of living within physical areas.

its like I set my intention to be moving in a direction away from the intense studies I've undertaken as an astral flyer.
this concerns another flyer I've not met in physical.

sometimes one becomes unnerved to be surfing too much. needed to get grounded.
so that was my intention, my will setting.

instead of pulling in what my intention was, to "break up" I got the opposite experience. and yet I know I'm somehow responsible for whatever happens.
I'm not complaining what happened mind you, I'm in awe.

its like I pulled my vehicle into a love gas station and got fueled up  we held hands out there and all my anxieties disappeared. I was still fueling up, lol, sorry for the poor analogy, but you know I'm having a problem with this. I was getting charged up and raised up to say something, said it, then since my tank wasn't full I guess  I fell back to the symbolic pillow in ecstasy of course, it was unconditional love energy.

the reason I likened it to a vehicle, is I see the human body as a vehicle for either high or low thought energy. not sure why, but the experience, which took away the anxiety of this type of explorative endeavor, gave the body so much charge in C1, that it also acted to ground me into physical reality, when I thought I had been going off the deep end.

after all, theres just not enough of us doing this stuff, so that we know we're not normal, we're like hybrids and it gets upsetting without PUL to help us. and it helps to share here what we can. love, alysia