I searched the forum but could not find any results. I am curious if these are a useful tool to go OBE?

Hi

Hemi sync is not a magic formula, but it's a great helper.  I had some success with it.  From my experience, it helps to "setup" my brain at the right configuration to have inner journey or Oobe. 

But...  if I'm anxious, or not relaxed, or I'm thinking about worldly thing, or something  affect my focus and my concentration, than it will counter the hemi sync effect .  The hemi sync sound would try to bring me to a certain focus and some others aspects of myself would try to bring me to an other focus.

That's why I think sometime I don't have success, and sometime I have.  My dream would be to have one of those EEG machines, so I could have real time informations about the state of my brainwaves  during my session   

Hi Muadib,

I've had OBE success with it.  I would recommend trying it for a couple weeks and see what results you get.  Then take a break from it.  You should be able to train yourself to get results without relying on the CDs in time.

I have had very good success with hemi-sync.  Check out my thread and see for yourself. http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1163819502/0

If you want good hemi-sync, get The Gateway Experience.

Muadib wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2007 at 9:00pm:


 I've only had a couple of OBE's, and they were spontaneous.   But i've used Hemi-Sync and consider it a good and valuable tool to tune into various different consciousness states, as well as just generally learning and facilitating that all important whole brain state.  I would recommend Hemi-Sync, but not necessarily just for trying to have an OBE.

 There is much more than OBE's.  Take Bruce for example as he has written in his books, like others and me, he for a long time wanted to go OBE, but didn't have much success except for a couple of times.  But later on, after dropping some nonconstructive and limiting beliefs and ideas about the nature of consciousness and exploring it, a richness of experience opened up to him.  

  In the early days of TMI and the Gateway program, if people went there solely to go OBE, Bob Monroe would sometimes advise them to take a refund of their money and to leave.  

  I've come to believe that sometimes people are actually too fast vibrating to go OBE in the classic sense.   This (classic OBE) is connected to our etheric "body" and range of vibratory energy, and its a relatively slow vibrating state of being, just an "octave" above the physical.    

 When you function primarily from your higher chakras, like the Heart, Throat, and some occasionally even above that, then believe me, you could try your whole life to have an OBE in the classic sense that Bob earlier wrote of, but have little consistent success.  Meaning some automatically phase into much faster vibrating levels of their being than the etheric which is the energy level you must primarily concentrate your consciousness in to have that more concrete feeling of being out of body.   See, in a sense, you're still very much connected to physical energies then, and isn't that rather limiting?   I'm not saying that its "worse" to go OBE, but it can be more limiting if you are more universally oriented.

 Bob himself, in his early days was pretty much limited to etheric type OBE's, but later on learned how to phase into those more expanded states, and so the experience of the realness of physicality was left behind more and more.  Not surprisingly, when Bob first started out, he was a much more materially minded though basically kind person.  As he became more spiritual, loving, and aware, he phased into faster vibrating levels of his own being more and more.

BUT, if your desire to explore the nonphysical is strong enough, then you may have a lot of success doing it the Bruce Moen way, which is more via your faster vibrating emotional-mental  and mental energies (and occasionally mental-spiritual energies in Bruce's example).

 Sometimes you may first phase into your etheric energies eg classic OBE, but then at some point phase into the faster vibrating levels of being, which is what my Fiance has experienced a couple times.  Meaning she would get that sense of actual physical separation from her body, and of being in a 2nd body, but then it would morph into a more mental and subtle feeling type experience without the experience of outside space and physicality.  

 btw, congrats on your experiences.  And great books too (refering to your tag here).

Yes, I too find it interesting that many people would just "skip" the "real time zone", because they're belonging naturally to other regions.

Now, recoverer and all, I've had some minor OBE's, and what is bugging me a bit is that in my phasing travels (Bruce's way) there is not this strong degree of being "in" it, because I still feel my physical body, and in an OoBE, as the name already suggests, I felt totally disconnected from my physical body.
Monroe seemed to have both, traveling to other "regions" than the real-time-zone and did not feel his physical body. As well Robert Bruce, he also seems to travel "fully".
How do you experience it?

Spooky

thanks all for the thoughtful resposes!!!! great insight

recoverer wrote on Apr 25^th, 2007 at 4:03pm:


 Seems to confirm my intuitions and experience on this.  The last time i had a spontaneous OBE was last summer.   I was definitely focussing in my lower Chakras around that time.   Astrologically both Mars and Saturn were right near my Ascendant point--which is the most "sensitive" area in a chart, and amplifies the energy of a planet the most.  

 Mars and Saturn are innately rather slow vibrating energies, very materially oriented, and so they correspond strongly to the lower chakras a lot.  

 My Fiance had left for Poland and was gone for about 3 weeks, and about halfway inbetween that time, i started to get rather amorous beyond my usual or average state.  

 As Monroe found out, classic OBE's and the etheric body are strongly connected to sexual energy in some way.    

  Not surprisingly, Mars has a long association with the animalistic aspect of sexual energy as in pure lust and wanting to get off from a hormonal perspective, not so much the union and emotional merging aspect of sex which is more symbolized by Venus.  Mars takes, and Venus more so gives.   Mars corresponds very strongly to basic red type energy.

 Anyways, around this time, i was somewhat more negative and ego oriented than my average or usual too, again another manifestation of concentrating your energies in your lower chakras.  Or in astro speak, i was taking on the personality and expressions of Mars and Saturn combined, and each is a difficult enough energy by themselves, but together whoo boy (add some amplified Pluto and its REAL FUN, which was added in at that time).  

 So the combination of the powerful astrological influences, my freewill choices to be more negative and reactive temporarily (which is why i left this forum around that time), and the unusually long time away from my partner and inability to be able to balance out my energies with her physically and emotionally, all combined to center me more in my lower chakras than i'm normally accustomed too.  

 And that's when i had multiple spontaneous OBE's one morning which felt very real, as in physically real, at first.  Uranus was also strongly involved at the time, so there was a combo of rather slow vibrating energies, as well as some fast vibrating and strongly energizing energy (an aspect of Uranus, also which was in Pisces) at the same time.  
Kind of proved this theory to me, which i had thought of awhile before but hadn't fully decided on yet.
Your experiences also lends more weight to this perspective.