Thank you for the re-welcome. I'm afriad i have written a small book in response to your reply. When tying so many different things in together, its hard to keep things real brief using this odd communication style called "language". I try to be as precise and yet as holistic at the same time, and unfortunatley sometimes this requires repetition and length.
Lights of Love wrote on Mar 28th, 2007 at 4:04pm:To me Bohm is saying we all together as a group have created this world to be as it is and we will continue to create the same as we have previously created until we as a group use our deeper intention to create the changes for betterment. We are doing this and we have come along way. The world and our healthcare systems are changing, but it will take the power of larger group consciousness to effect a complete change. Of course that consciousness begins with our self.
This may tie in with what you’re getting at, too. It’s been a lot of years since I’ve read any of the Casey material so I’m no longer exactly sure of how he defines karma. My definition of karma is simply that it is a process of transformation or cause and effect, which is motivational desire (cause) and fulfillment (effect)
I don’t know if that’s what Bohm or Pilbram is saying or not, since I’m not all that familiar with them, but I do largely agree with your assessment of his and the other guys work. Yet there are some differences in the “fine print” I suppose you could say. To me, yes the physical is a manifestation of collective Soul consciousness (not a “creation” though), but the nonphysical pattern from whence this originates, from our Soul patterns is directly from the Creator. What we did, was took the Creator’s original creation and patterns, and slowed down their vibratory energies to the point where matter (the opposite pole of Spirit) seemed to have been created, ore more aptly was temporarily manifested.
Because of the nature of physical energies, they have their own properties as different from the nonphysical from which they originally originated from or were patterned after, but at the same time these energies are also interconnected with nonphysical energies until we as the collective decided to re-raise the vibratory speed of matter to its original state as originally designed and initiated by the Creator. We are not “true Creators” in this Universe, right now we are only “playing at” being creators, we are more so manifester’s right now. When we re-attain full Source Consciousness, we will phase into raw energy states (outside of the overall vibratory range of this particular Universe) and become True Co-Creators with Source, which was Source‘s original intention outside of us having been given Freewill to choose Source or un-Source.
Karma to me, is like attracts and begets like on whatever energy, or consciousness state from whence we “put out” a certain energy. When we manifest emotional and physical karma, we meet it here, when we manifest mental karma, we meet in the nonphysical states of being.
Cayce’s guides said that much (but not all) of what we experience in the Earth plane, is karmic in origin. Karma or like attracts and begets like works (and automatically) because all energies and consciousnesses are interconnected in the One Field. So, one energy expression/manifesting either positively/constructively affects another and/or the Whole, or negatively/destructively affects another and/or collective others. This means we have both a responsibility to self and to others for our choices and manifesting. Nowhere is this more “extreme” and obvious than here in the dimension of the physical (the mixed dimension of polarity).
When we choose to act, think, or feel in a certain way, and that destructively impacts another and we are conscious of this on some level, then we must balance that and “like” will be attracted to us, it is both energy Law and the desire of the Soul because as a part of Source/Spirit it like Spirit seeks perfect balance within self (Spirit is that perfect balance and what we seek to re-remember and be like again). So, it isn’t so much by “rote”, but rather judged relatively according to our intentions and state of consciousnesses at the moment of choosing. So for example, say I’m trying to safely carry a baby, I’m being careful and conscientious of not wanting to end up hurting the baby, but for whatever reason I end up falling and the baby gets hurt, my Soul or conscience will not say, “oh you have karma to balance now” because my intention was constructive and the baby was only harmed because of the unique properties of the physical.
Now, if I was being careless and doing things I know I shouldn’t be doing while carrying the baby--things which I know may possibly endanger the baby‘s physical health, in other words not being conscientious for my own particular awareness and development at the time, then I fall and hurt the baby, then yes I will have manifested karma for myself to balance, it won’t matter even if it was technically an “accident” because within my own awareness I knew on some level that my reckless, careless actions could potentially have some kind of destructive effect on this baby.
Its very “relative” and has a lot to do with intentions and the degree of our awareness, spiritual development within any given moment. Those who have developed much towards a Source Consciousness, have much responsibility to others and self---those strongly of material consciousness are not that aware and being so, they have less responsibility to self and others which is why when they are destructive to others they tend not to suffer much for it within their own conscience and consciousness (though at some point, some more aware and developed aspect of self must balance it out) . Within the physical, the actual actions are
not always the most important thing when figuring out karmic causes or not. Cause and effect is like attracts and begets like is what happens
within a given physical lifetime and its similar to what we are talking about in relation to karma. Karma though, is
balancing out energies from other aspects of selves who also are projected into the physical energies (other lives). Both are related to like attracts and begets like energy law, but one is of this life and the other of other lives and selves and “carries over” in a sense. And so far, we’re talking about difficult or destructive karma and cause and effect, but the same is true for positive and constructive.
Quote:This example doesn’t fit with Pilbram’s model of how our brains work or the holographic view of the universe. From a holistic perspective, the little girl would not have gotten sick when coming in contact with the germs had her system been balanced in the first place. This is the tricky part that I mentioned in my other post. We all play the blame game of our belief systems. This statement blames the nurse for passing germs to the little girl. The little girl’s consciousness is the primary cause of her illness and the weakness in her energy field existed prior to her contact with the germs. Responsibility always rests within our self. In our world of dualism this is hard to explain.
Let’s say I caught a cold and I could say to the person I caught it from… “I caught your cold.” This implies blame. But the primary reason why I caught the cold in the first place is because my balancing system was off. So a more accurate statement for me to say would be, “This cold that I caught is a signal to me that I need to balance myself because I’ve weakened my immune system that allowed this virus to penetrate.” This statement implies my own responsibility in this.
To go into all this, we need to have a deeper understanding of reality in various respects, we need to consider many things, the nature of time, the nature of Life Planning, the similarity and differences between the conscious self and the unconscious selves (subconscious and super conscious or in other words Soul and Total/Higher self).
First time: as many have stated, time is not really linear as we perceive it here, yet there is a time of sorts. That there is a “difference” between one moment and another whether in the physical dimension or within nonphysical dimensions is a self evident truth.
Time goes in probabilities. When we choose something within the moment, this sets up certain probabilities of what we will experience from those choices. Our Total/Higher Self exists outside of linear time perception, and so it sees probabilities of what we would call past, present, or future in relation to our choices in any given moment. But our Total self, nor even Source itself, cannot completely “predict” exactly what we will choose or not choose. This is freewill, the ultimate freedom and gift. However, once we have actually made a choice along a certain line, then both Source and our Total selves will see the various probabilities which can arise from that.
Before we come in, various aspects of completely Source conscious Beings, our Total selves, our main guides, and the self which is going to get projected into physical energies all commune together and come up with the best possible Life plan for that individual aspect or what we would call a “personality”. Obviously the Life Plan is not “written in stone” because of Freewill, but our Total Selves and our various guides try to keep us on track of it because it is a work of such unbelievable awareness and wisdom, the most constructive to self and to the collective.
Much of what we experience in major, intense, and particularly affecting ways as personalities were written into the Life Plan as probabilities and paths to begin with. We’re talking major stuff that really affects our lives and the way we live it. Much of our Life Plan is reasoned from our collective pool of Karma and karmic memory, but sometimes we take on certain challenges for the nature of those challenges and the potential growth factor involved, and not because it is karma for us to balance.
But in both cases, these probabilities are pre-known about, because they are essentially pre-chosen on some level. So, while something may be a “surprise” to our conscious personalities, it will not be so to our Total/Higher selves.
But, there is a certain amount of chaos which can happen within creation, creation has its “random” elements even though it basically follows a harmony, order, and plan. Creation is purposeful but for Freewill to exist in a real way, a certain amount of chaos was allowed to exist along side the order or harmony of the Universe and Creation in general.
So, while much major stuff we experience is either pre-planned or pre-known about from the perspective of the Total self, before it actually happens, its not always the case 100 percent of the time. In the Cayce readings, in that particular example, his source said emphatically that this was not meant to happen to that infant girl, it was not a probability nor especially it wasn’t a pre-chosen thing to experience. It essentially ended up changing much of her Life plan after she came in. Hence, it was not a desirable experience either from a spiritual perspective or on part of that of a suffering C1 personality. Meanwhile, in many other cases, his source said that the illness was largely karmic in origin, or you could say imbalance on other energy levels other than the physical then which the Soul inherently seeks a perfect balance.
Quote:Let’s say I caught a cold and I could say to the person I caught it from… “I caught your cold.” This implies blame. But the primary reason why I caught the cold in the first place is because my balancing system was off. So a more accurate statement for me to say would be, “This cold that I caught is a signal to me that I need to balance myself because I’ve weakened my immune system that allowed this virus to penetrate.” This statement implies my own responsibility in this.
Relativity Kathy. You are an adult who is more or less in full control of your vehicle, and the connections between your Soul force and physical are quite developed. But this was a new born infant, what choice did she have in the matter of choosing to strengthen her energies to ward off these germs? Her physical care was at this point, largely the responsibility of her mother.
The above would be true for you or me (especially us since we are more aware of health and health principles than even most adults), but not for her. A Soul doesn’t have much conscious control over an infants body (especially when just born) because the connections between Soul energy, and physical energy are still being “worked out”.
You talk about “blame”, and in a way, it sounds like you are “blaming” the infant girl for not having a stronger immune system to constructively deal with the conscious carelessness of the nurse? To me, that’s backwards when you consider certain inherent issues as pertains to a specific and relative case.
Let’s make it a more obvious and overt example. Take the same situation and example, but change it a bit. A nurse who has certain beliefs, ideals, and awarenesses usually handles infants with the physical care necessary for the greatest possible health involved. She makes sure her hands are washed clean and largely disinfected. She usually in these cases, thinks more for others than purely just for herself. But one day, she has been in a fight with her Fiance before coming to work, she’s treated her body like crap and so her mood is also suffering for that, and overall she is just in a more angry and imbalanced way today. In fact, she is so angry that in one split mili-second decides to choose to do something very rash and wrong, perhaps in a way she takes out her anger on the infant in a overt manner because it just won‘t stop crying, maybe she shakes the baby in a rough manner. This was not a probability event, it was not pre-set up or pre known about by her Total self, nor the Total of the baby involved.
But, because the infant’s body was handled in such a rough way, and because of the unique properties of the physical and of an infants body and its delicacy, this one swift event and choice of the personality--the nurse has an far reaching influence and affect on this person’s health for the rest of their life because perhaps neither of the parents or anyone else knew about this incident. We are not talking germs in this case, which is a more subtle thing. What was the infant to do, perhaps amazingly gain adult strength and power in the moment, and stop the nurse from doing this? Would that even be possible if this was pre-seen before hand since it was not a probable event, meaning that neither Source nor the two Total selves directly involved saw this coming. Purely a freewill choice off the paths of both involved, it was an “accident” from a spiritual perspective (not pre-planned), though within the physical of course there is always cause and effect. Of course when you shake or handle to roughly a little child’s body, there are going to be consequences or an effect to that cause. But this is purely material causation, and in this particular case, the spiritual wasn’t directly involved.
Yet, perhaps in other cases similar to the above scenario, perhaps this was a probability and something prechosen to happen (and an event agreed to on a spiritual level before hand for the greater growth of all involved). No one but the Total selves directly involved, or Source or those completely attuned to Source know the true causes and reasons for such things and experiences. Cayce’s guides could read the Life Plan of others, and they were aware of the various probabilities up to a point.
True accidents are that which are not pre-planned or pre-known about, and which have undesirable long term effects. This above dissertation reminds me of a few Cayce quotes--for example, “No association or experience is by chance, but is the outgrowth of a law, spiritual, mental, or material (*his guides saw these as different, yet potentially and usually interconnecting)” reading 2753-2
“It is never by chance but as with all things in this material world, there are causes, there are effects. To be sure, at times there may be what might be called accidents. But these, too, in a causation world, have their cause and effect.” 2927-1 Just like I talked about in the above with the different examples of the same scenario with the nurse.
“Little happens by chance. True, there may be errors--which is indicated oft in the experience of the mental, the spiritual and material activities of an entity. These may be called accidents at times.” 2881-1
“Know there is little or naught which happens by chance save accidents. These appear even in creation…” 5106-1
In another reading from memory, there is a statement much like the above, and after saying that there are even accidents in creation, his guides say something like, well it’s a odd statement but true.
Back to the above, let’s talk about “blame”, blame is akin to judgment, in fact one could say that blame is a kind of emotional judgment. There is pure perception, and then there is ego judgment which stems from fear, or selfishness on some level. Pure perception is reasoning from the point of the collective, which takes lovingness to “attain” to in awareness to begin with. Judgment is purely the belief and perception of the little separated self who sees and understands very little because their point of reasoning is so narrow and biased.
In the above case of the nurse and the infant girl, nobody has the right to “blame” the nurse or the little girl, yet the nurses own Soul self and conscience will see the necessity for balancing this destructive, careless, and impulsive choice which led to a certain action and cause in the material world. Another part of this Total self, may choose to have a similar thing happen to it, as was caused by this other personality to that little girl. Only self truly judges self.
Yet, what about Life reviews and the Elders involved in them.? I’ve read different accounts of these “meetings” in the nonphysical between a individual self, and between Beings of Pure Light who are crystal clear channels of Spirit consciousness, and different accounts from different respectable sources are quite similar. Essentially, while these completed Beings do not “judge” or blame the individual for anything, they do point out their errors in a compassionate and detached way. They perceive purely and state their perceptions. You may read accounts of one of these Beings showing a certain part of that person’s physical life to the nonphysical person, and communicating something like, “now why did you do this, or why didn’t you do that, etc.” Or something like, “you knew on some level that this choice might hurt others didn’t you? Or how do you think that person felt, after you chose to treat them in that manner?”
Basically, these Beings act as pure reflectors to the Soul consciousness of the individual involves, and what’s needed in spiritual growth is self honesty, self responsibility, and a greater, more collective/Oneness, compassionate, and holistic awareness of which these Beings help to provide. They do not sit in emotional judgment on these people, but they do gently point out certain errors, illusions, destructive acts, attitudes, etc. so that the person will recognize this more deeply within themselves, and so they can change that pattern. They can do this, because they perceive in a crystal clear manner both of the person involved and of the others connected to same, they are completely aware of all the factors in that individual’s Soul growth and their overall pattern in the Earth (the collective akashic “memory“ of all timeline probabilities of that individual Soul).
There is such a thing as “error” or un-Sourceness, and when we continue to choose this on various levels, it keeps us from the consciousness of our Creator for always like attracts and begets like. If we are to be fully aware of and One with the Creator again, we must be completely “like” the Creator again, pure, full of Love, pure Light. How can these Elders, these completed Ones, actually “blame” anyone or anything? But yet they can see error from not-error, Sourceness from un-Sourceness can they not?
In the case of this nurse, Cayce’s source, who are of these Elders (and/or in other cases, messengers for these), saw “error” on part of the nurse, and they knew that this Soul would have to balance this destructive act which came from un-Source like attitudes and intentions. They knew this girls ill-health was not a pre-planned experience, but yet had a cause purely on a material level of energy, from a destructive freewill choice (spiritual) on part of the nurse. They knew that in that moment, the nurse manifested difficult and challenging karma for herself.
The only way around karma, is by taking it on and by becoming pure Love and becoming completely detached to self and what happens to self, however “negative” and difficult it might appear to others. Such is the example of Yeshua’s life. He transcended Karma by taking it fully on, and yet in becoming pure Love and purely detached to the individual self and only caring about what happened to others, he eventually transcended self suffering (after the Resurrection). He became his real Self and the R.S. does not know suffering, even if the material conditions are destructive.
To be continued
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