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Infinite parallel universes v.s. "God"...
Mar 9th, 2007 at 10:52pm
 
I recently encountered a Christian website offering THIS as a
"proof" of their god...
#1. Since 1996, we know that the expansion of the universe is
ACCELERATING...
#2. "Big Bang theory" (which supposes that the universe had a
beginning in time) is all but proven.
#3. The universe exhibits an uncanny juxtapostion of constants,
ect. which gives the appearance of DESIGN, not a random
development over time.
NOW... all this WOULD be strongly indicative of a "God" if the
universe is UNIQUE, and there is only one universe.
But consider that back before 1920, we considered the Milky Way
galaxy to be unique, and to contain the entire universe in fact. THEN
we found that there were BILLIONS of galaxies.
Is it not reasonable, then, to suppose that our universe is but one of
perhaps an infinite number of universes... which are, always have been, and always will be "popping" into existence due the inherent instability of the "quantum vacuum"?
Thusly, a universe like ours... seemingly "magical" - HAS to "pop up" sooner or later - so long as there are no "laws" prohibiting it. (And in pure nothingness - the quantum vacuum - there WOULD necessarily be NO LAWS!) The vast majority of new universes won't support life, but a tiny proportion of them WILL - and always have - and always will. (Is it so "miraculous" then, that we're here? Even if consciousness hardly ever emerges in Reality, "we" can expect to "be there" where it does!)
Perhaps we've all been here before, an infinite number of times... each time we recur, the details are a bit different. Maybe my next occurence will be as MILLIONAIRE Chumley, 500 sextillion to the googoleth power years from now. A long time... but hey, it's the same as a nanosecond when you're dead. Kinda cool when you think about it, eh?
After all, nature doesn't show a tendency towards LINEAR progressions of events... it shows itself to be CYCLICAL. (Look around you... lots of curves and recurring patterns in nature, but how often do you see a straight line?)
Hence, an apparently linear-time universe, can be contained within a cyclical whole - even as our linear individual lives occur within the cyclical context of generations being replaced by new generations.
And does time itself, have any meaning without an observer to subjectively observe it, anyway? It seems silly to assume, as so many people (and even some physicists) do, that time is an objective thing. What meaning does it have, without an observer to subjectively experience it..?
So, "linear" reality (based on an objectivist notion of time) seems to be an illusion. Reality, then, must be CYCLICAL... no?
Finally, there is the issue of parsimony... the simplest explanation being the most likely. The Christian website I mentioned at the beginning of this post claims that "God" is a simpler postulate than infinite universes emerging from the primordial vacuum.
BUT WAIT! What is simple about "God"..? Here we have an INFINITELY COMPLEX being, lacking ANY cause!
On the other hand, with infinite parallel universes, all we need is NOTHING (the primordial vacuum) together with a tendency toward instability (or to put it better, no laws prohibiting instability.) "Sooner or later" (from a limited, time-bound human point of view) something will happen...
An "inflationary event" - a suddenly expanding "ball" of empty space - occurs out of the vacuum, merely one of an infinite number of possibilities (being sheer empty space, it is one of the simpler possibilities, much more likely to happen than a "weird" universe like ours, which starts out with a huge amount of ENERGY which later "gels" into matter - elements, stars, ect.)
"Eventually" an inflationary event will occur, which produces a universe like our own... just as surely as if a million monkeys type for a million years, you will get some coherent words, sentences (maybe even the Gettysburg address!)
And there you have it! The interplay of "something" (or all possibility) with nothingness. Since there is nothing in nothingness, there are no rules to prevent instabilities! So you get instability, and ultimately everything you see about us. You might even say, reality springs from a concept... thus, the universe would indeed be "mental" although there would be NO "thought" involved in the process.
Is this not simpler, than an all-powerful, all-knowing, infinitely complex Sky Fairy who has NO cause?

B-man
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Reply #1 - Mar 10th, 2007 at 5:27pm
 
HI B-Man-
Just for the drill, look one level prior to the image you have made of the "Sky Fairy" etc in its extended imagination.   Prior to coming about there is the probability of coming about, and prior to tha is the potentiality for various probabilities to occur, and prior to that is the "Sky Fairy" - And that can be reduced to a statistical tendency for increasing entropy. 

As some cynic (Ambrose Bierce?) put it, "The dreram is real until the dreamer wakes. Can more be said of life?"

As long as you are willing to fiddle with ideas of reality, and dreams of what might exist, it's a very short trip to postulating an existence in a potential space, the essential causal drive, or as Bergson put it, "elan vital" that drives things. For a totally non-directive, but well equipped "Sky Fairy", that means that any sequence of opportunities must project itself into potential space as one of the ways that the world might have come to exist. And because we are in a potential space, that means that all of this arises simultaneously, so the most probable tends to separate itself and get projected into a reality.

Just as logical statements can define a space in which some things can occur and others cannot, whether due to lack of stuff to create them or due to contradictions if they were created, it takes nothing but pure abstract logicl abstraction to build a world. After that, since we are part of that world, we can't tell if it's made of "some kind of ultimately extended material " or is just an "image made of the relationship of other logical statements". 

I personally view the manifest nature of God as a statistical tendency. After that everything seems to be clusters of logical statements, and of those some relate like parts of the "physical world" relate, so that we assume tat there is a physical world out there although it's only emptiness - but since that implies that we too are emptiness, it makes little difference.

Given that, if you want to come back as a Zillionarie, it seems that all you need to do is to think about that in a way that eventually will create a logical path from here to there, and you've got it. All we need is another can of Purple Smoke and a few more Mirrors. Smiley

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Reply #2 - Mar 11th, 2007 at 5:21am
 
Hm, god isn't that simple-minded that he would just create one universe. ;-) A multiversum is much more creative than simple-minded theories about a single universe that doesn't allow other universes. This reminds me hardly in "the earth is the centre of the universe" as a long time postulation by the church. ;-)
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Reply #3 - Mar 14th, 2007 at 6:50am
 
The Sun is the centre of our universe.  The Earth is the Garden of Eden, wherein all life is manifested into form.

The Zodiac constellation and the fixed stars within our Milky Way is part of our Galaxy and may be named the Mansions of God.  Here in the Zodiac dwell spiritual beings, named the Celestial Hierarchy and where we too dwell every time we go to sleep and between Earthly lives and are becoming the Fourth Hierarchy that is the Spirits of Love and Freedom.

The Planets Mercury, Mars, Venus, Jupiter and Saturn (as well as the extrasaturnian planets; Uranus, Neptune and Pluto which have different origins and the unseen Planets) travel through the Zodiac bestowing favours or discord depending on the relationship with each Zodiac sign, individual - microcosm and collective – macrocosm and the individual and collective ability to tune into the positive or negative of the Planet. This is likened the Twelve Tasks of Hercules – each task assigned to the Planets vibrations in each Zodiac sign. 

The Sun and the Moon are the luminaries.  The Moon is a mirror of the Earth, and is the last station in the descent of the soul into manifested life.  The negative side of the Moon rules what is called the sleepers; the so called astral realm is under the Moon and is limited in its advancement.

The Sun is the Ruler and shines through each Zodiac sign bestowing life and may be called the Throne of the Universe.

Herein dwells Christ, the Son of God, The sublime Hierarchy the Sun-Being who sacrificed His Life on Earth in order to give up His Holy Spirit into the Universe so as we may receive from Him what He received from His Father.  The Word.

Earth is where we have the opportunity to advance in our evolution.  The very learning and hands-on experience translates into our spirits and it is this which we take with us in the ascent of our soul back to our spiritual home in the Zodiac. For once we are back home we are what we have become.

The Etheric Body of Christ sustains and protects all those who seek Him.
Glory to God in the Highest.

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Reply #4 - Mar 14th, 2007 at 8:06am
 
The Sun is the centre of our universe.  The Earth is the Garden of Eden, wherein all life is manifested into form.
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HUH??? Shocked
Are you on DRUGS, Augie..?
(Don't tell me you're with the Flat-Earth society!!!)
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Reply #5 - Mar 14th, 2007 at 10:01am
 
lol Chum .. Flat-Earth society?! oh that's why I keep falling off the edge of the earth when i visit my Mom on the edge of the world?!  Takes a while to get back up too i can tell you  Roll Eyes

Joking! you .. you .. onewithahardheadthatcannotseethepoetryincreation  !

The above writings are the philosophy of astrology .. don't tell me you don't know what philosophy is Chum   Huh  you personwhotormentsthelivingdaylightsoutofme lol!

My opium is the Air!  Your opium must be the back page of the sunday times!!

Cool

Mind you Chum to give you your due you do know quite a lot of colourful authors ... besides the sunday times that is.
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