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Mar 4th, 2007 at 7:58pm
 
After thinking about the afterlife area in the view of Bruce I wonder why no extra terrestrial beings have been retrieved yet. It seems, that only humans have been retrieved and beamed to 27. Therefore I'm thinking about if the afterlife is a local area?

I'm not really sure if you get my point here, but an interesting question I think. What do you mean?

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Reply #1 - Mar 5th, 2007 at 2:25am
 
Yes, F27 is local according to our perception, designed by humans as well. Aliens are a separate question. They are not really aliens in that they too are part of the greater Source of All That Is. Their bodies and their lessons may be different, but their consciousnesses are essentially the same. They just happen to be evolving elsewhere, but not always. A few humans, in fact, are former aliens.

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Reply #2 - Mar 5th, 2007 at 1:13pm
 
The focus levels through Focus 27 were used by Monroe to describe areas of "human consciousness."  Focus levels 23, 24, 25, 26, and 27 are, as defined by Monroe's mapping criteria, areas of human afterlife consciousness.  Other forms of consciousness (nonhuman) have their own maps, some with an "afterlife" some without such a place.  

So your question is a little like asking, why aren't the cities other planets shown on a map of the Earth?  The answer is that other planets have their own maps that show their cities.

And, "afterlife" is really a misnomer amyway.  It could just as well be called "beforelife" since that area of consciousness is both where we are before we are Here and where we go after we leave Here.

Other forms of consciousness might not have "afterlife" consciousness?  How is that possible?  Not all forms of conscious have such sharp, belief-based distinctions between the areas of consciousness in which they reside.  We humans on the other hand have allowed our beliefs to convince us that boundaries exist between the various areas of consciousness (focus levels) in which we exist.  This appears to be a choice we humans made for certain evolutionary potentials in the development of our form of consciousness.

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Reply #3 - Mar 5th, 2007 at 1:44pm
 
Thanks Jonathan for your questions.  They get me to thinking.

And thanks to you, Bruce, for your post.  You're superb at explaining things in a way that makes them easier to understand.  I've struggled with the 'afterlife' as a misleading concept and you laid it out in two sentences.  I sure hope you are writing another book.

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Reply #4 - Mar 5th, 2007 at 6:02pm
 
Greetings,

So the 'Dreamtime' and "Non-Dreamtime' of some Earth tribal cultures would be examples of where 'afterlife" or 'beforelife' didn't make sense ?
Someone correct me if I'm off on this, but did Carlos Castanedas' books also bring 'afterlife' abilities into this realm? So his culture also uses other 'maps' ?

Will this board's discussions and Bruce's books in particular help our Western local area / culture to change its maps? Is this part of The Shift?

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Reply #5 - Mar 6th, 2007 at 4:03pm
 
Thank you for all your posts.
So I think, that focus 27 is a local area for human beings according to my definitions. ;-) Okay, it's another question if an alien would die on earth *g*, but this seems a bit confusing to ask further at this point. ;-)


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Reply #6 - Mar 6th, 2007 at 6:01pm
 
Greetings,

I apologize for getting off track. I was thinking out loud.

Since there is no space and time in belief systems, if an alien died on earth, wouldn't his soul retain its own belief system and go wherever it expected to go?  Are you thinking that human thoughts create a layer of consciousness that cannot be escaped?
We expect 'lower' lifeforms, such as pets, to spend most of their afterlife time with their own kind, so wouldn't an alien also seek out his own BSTs or higher?

Now you've got me wondering too!
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Reply #7 - Mar 6th, 2007 at 9:15pm
 
In my regression work I have encountered only one case that was self-identified as an alien. The being claimed to be on a trip across our galaxy when it got trapped into our afterlife system. It was stuck on a patient and refused to leave because "the bodies are all wrong" and "the dimensions are different".  I asked if it knew how to get into the Light and it responded that there were just more of the same kind of wrong beings there.  I suggested something like , "Oh, well look away over there instead, beyond this, and you'll find your own kind." The entity mumbled something like "Oh?" and then was gone. (I have this on VHS if anyone is seriously interested. It's a very brief part of a longer session.)

To be visible to us, an entity must have some manner of association with us. For a spirit, this must be a living association. One possible association is holding similar thoughts, although why it cxrossed the universe to become an entity I can't say. Maybe there is some alien Project Seti, through which this being on some distant star was listening in to the latest "I Love Lucy" radio broadcast, which would have been enough to attach it to this world. Or maybe those guys have a big telescope that can watch th sun bathers is the Los Angeles suburbs. There mnust be something, and it should be possible to figure it out - or maybe call him up to ask?

The best medium around is Bruce - So, Bruce, if you'd like to take a shot, I'll send you a copy of the tape. Might be interesting. PM me if so.

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Reply #8 - Mar 7th, 2007 at 9:21am
 
Hi Bets, hi dave_a_mbs,

very good questions... It seems that a belief system is needed to become sorted into the right realm, ;-) so far if we distinguish between aliens and human beings in that way. In this manner an alien would also run around wild in focus 23 and also in 27 until he finds the way to his BT. As Dave talked about is regression work I also have had a little meeting with that alien, who couldn't find home. He was 10 feet high and 6 feets wide. He seemed to be a child, seeking its parents. We couldn't help him. I say "we", because we was in physical body, alert, and sensed the same think. Has been a crazy story. I hope, it found its parents...


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Reply #9 - Mar 7th, 2007 at 2:18pm
 
this website like any religeon is starting to have a lot of loopholes in it thats hard to deal with.  For instance Bruce came on and said that focus level through 27 are for the human conciousness etc... so it is all local or whatever, but ive heard many people talk on here about we can become or reincarnate to anything after we die and not just be humans forever..... and people like outofbodydude have claimed aliens have been standing around his bed when he goes into OBE and hes talked to an alien......... and then u guys say aliens are in their own afterlife existence.......... makes no sense at all.....sounds a lot like dreams etc...
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Reply #10 - Mar 7th, 2007 at 8:23pm
 
Hi 3 Digit-
The variations of human focus are human. No contradiction.  We define such things according to our personal human ways of viewing them.

For an alien, someone outside of our everyday world,  to  be involved in the human region requires some kind of communication by which to understand how to  "see humans". This is like saying that you can't talk to someone on the hone until you make the connection, and for that you need the other person's phone number.

There may very well be aliens around us, and quite possibly we may have come from various different planets in other star systems, galaxies etc, in which case, maybe we remembered  how our neighbors looked, what their thoughts felt like etc.

There really isn't any "religion" happening here as much as a discussion of what we experience, and thoughts about the manner in which it occurs. The loopholes etc are because our understanding remains imperfect. However, maybe you would like to codify all this stuff into a single document and spread it around, it might be useful.

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Reply #11 - Mar 9th, 2007 at 5:40am
 
I don't believe, that any religion is intented by most of the users in this forum. I'm grateful, that Bruce isn't fanatic or tries to establish a sect or something like that. ;-) I like his kind of "open science mentality" that already most of us know from Monroe. And I'm moved by Bruce's and other people's actions in that forum that they help many strangers for getting nothing back really than a good feeling. So I think I gonna try to join from here. :-) But it could last a while yet. LOL.

On the other hand it's true, many people have perceived aliens. Okay, most of the reports about encounters of the third kind are definately out-of-body experiences. So it seems, that the aliens got their own park. *g* But that doesn't mean that they couldn't visit us. Wanna say, there are a lot of children's playgrounds. ;-)



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Reply #12 - Apr 2nd, 2007 at 11:36pm
 
There is a qlippoth realm that mystics have historcially projected to which is particular to Earth .
Beneath the Death Chamber of the Great Pyramid at Luxor in  the Shamballah Replica
the River Styx is found .

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On the surface of Shamballah , the River of Life joins the River of Death forming the River of Enlightenment which flows throughout  the Realms of Shamballah .

Beneath the Rainbow Waters of Life there is another River system conjunction in the Qlippoth realm .  If one follows the river long enough , they will come to a place that is not particular to Earth but is a beach if you will of World Walkers .It is a place of mystic exploration for many off worlders.Their projectors and their dead can be seen resting on the shores of that River . There is a deep complex labrynth of rivers there which lead to other afterlifer realms not of this planet . This is a common ground , then .  My peers and I were lead to this place recently when we transmuted the Dark Watcher . We were taken to an underground realm and told to surrender our Light Watcher to the Dark Watcher by this sacrifice of love and light energy of our selves the Darker one is transmuted and becomes one with Godhead again . We become weaker but not dichotomised . In time we become strong again and move to the next level .
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Reply #13 - Apr 5th, 2007 at 4:31am
 
I know someone on line whose young son is from another planet, and can describe that planet somewhat. This thread is reminding me to get back to her for more details.
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Beneath the Rainbow Waters of Life there is another River system conjunction in the Qlippoth realm .  If one follows the river long enough , they will come to a place that is not particular to Earth but is a beach if you will of World Walkers .It is a place of mystic exploration for many off worlders.Their projectors and their dead can be seen resting on the shores of that River . There is a deep complex labrynth of rivers there which lead to other afterlifer realms not of this planet . This is a common ground , then .  My peers and I were lead to this place recently when we transmuted the Dark Watcher . We were taken to an underground realm and told to surrender our Light Watcher to the Dark Watcher by this sacrifice of love and light energy of our selves the Darker one is transmuted and becomes one with Godhead again . We become weaker but not dichotomised . In time we become strong again and move to the next level .



  Thank you Aunt Clair for that post. It reminded me of somewhere I visited during my meditations. I didn't understand what the place was about at the time though. I remember seeing a river flowing beneath the Earth and thought I was actually at the river Styx. It felt like a sub level of the etheric plane. The beings there were busy about themselves and didn't pay any attention to me. I just wandered along wondering how long the river flowed to. It seemed endless, so I just left and came back to my body.

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