Whacko?  Crap?  Did it ever occur to you that there are millions of people who think this website is whacko and crap?  And, you along with it?  I have no idea if any of that post is true, as I haven't personally experienced it.  But, if you believe in the power of consciousness, and that we create our own reality, it could be true.  I guess the real question is, does it matter?

While I can see the point in Tempestinateapot reply I have to say I agree with DaBears, its this kind of thing that relagates all spiritual believes to 'new age nonsense'. If you read that post it reads like the plot of a bad sci-fi movie, the kind that goes straight to video for £2 in the local junk shop. Maybe its true, maybe it isn't but sometimes the truth really should stay hidden

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Ah, the truth comes out.  You want satisfaction.  The satisfaction of seeing me run off this forum, the satisfaction of proving me wrong.  You don't want an open exchange of ideas, you want to be right.  You don't want to discuss various beliefs, take them out and look at them in the blinding light and see if they hold up.  You just want this board to stay a group of people who will echo your personal beliefs.  Why are you so challenged by what I say?  I am one.  There are a number of people here who echo your beliefs.  Why do you feel the need to silence me?  You've given just as good as you've gotten.  Only, you cloak it by bringing up PUL at the end.  By the way, just in case you are interested, I've been warned by several people about this forum since I came on.  Apparently, I'm not the only one who has challenged what you believe.  And, I've never claimed to be a teacher.

I actually feel for Tempest - she asks, if there are Reptilians - does it really matter?  This is a profound question.  There is a form of enlightenment found across many religions, that centers on the unity of all things.  When you realize that we are all part of a bigger picture, and that our dichotomies (black vs. white, good vs. evil, us vs. them) are part of a belief system of separateness, then it causes a major belief system crash in any individual.  I experienced this on the board here, when engaging in a dialogue on one of the older threads here with Kyo.  Kyo had argued, quite admirably that truth was relative - thus right and wrong, good vs. evil, was to his description not absolute truths.  There is something unsettling about this moral relativism, however.  

Why do anything, if we are all part of a great unity, and are not really separate from each other?  The person who asks this quesiton, may be quite earnest in their quest.  I have found however, that this reflects an incomplete understanding of the unity of all things.  This unity may be understood, but it must be felt/known in order to understand our strange nature of being individuals and yet part of a seamless whole.  Dave once described a patient in his practice who said "I am just a droplet of water in a vast ocean, yet somehow I also remain that individual droplet" (to paraphrase).  We are ourselves and all is one at the same time.  In this setting, inaction or saying "does it really matter," is

This is the existential dilemma found in the Bhagavad Gita.  Why take action at all?  Why should anything matter, if "I am everything/I am nothing?"  The god Krishna comes down from heaven in the Gita, and Arjuna, a nobleman asks why he should fight in a giant battle about to ensue, when thousands of his friends and relatives will likelly be killed.  In his "enlightened" thinking, it made no sense.  Krishna explains that even if you are aware that you are in a "game," as an individual, there is such a thing as "right action," and that inaction is not the divine path.  

I applaud Tempest for ridding herself of hindering belief systems.  I think the issue here is that one can get lost in the limitless possibilities of thought creating reality, and then perhaps believe in nothing (out of concern that you are following a belief system) or in everything (moral relativism).  The thing is - we are creatures of thought, and by our nature beliefs.  You can rid yourself of some beliefs, but inevitably new beliefs come in to replace what you considered to be hindering beliefs.  

What you find, when you delve into this area enough is that love (PUL) and ethical action (called right action in buddhism) are a natural response to experiencing the unity of all things - not inaction.  Not saying that everyone is right and wrong, everything is true and false, or questioning if any of it really matters at all.


Matthew

I see nothing wrong with what Temptest wrote.  Nothing at all.  It was a very good responce, in fact.  Blink, are you mad because she said many people think this website and the people on it are wacko and crap?  Because I garuntee this is true.  My guess is that you have strong negative feelings towards Temptest that are interfiering with your perception.

Blink, are you mad because she said many people think this website and the people on it are wacko and crap?  Because I garuntee this is true.  My guess is that you have strong negative feelings towards Temptest that are interfiering with your perception

A lot of people in a lot of places are wacko.  However, intelligent people with a point they actually want to convey, as opposed to just rabble rousing, refrain from insulting people they are trying to convince.  When someone presents evidence that they either don't really care whether someone listens (by being rude), or aren't bright enough to figure out how to get people to listen (by not being rude), the obvious response is to assume they don't care if you listen and they probably aren't any brighter in their reasoning than in their presentation.  So if their point is good, it gets lost in the shuffle.

When you tell the other guy he's stupid, and he knows he's not, your reputation for discernment kinda flies out the window.  This holds even if the other guy's evaluation of his smarts is a little lacking.  No one gets respect for their intelligence by blatantly insulting other people's.  If you're going to insult someone's smarts, do it subtly.  Then the only one's who get it are the smart ones, and they know they're smart, so you're good to go.

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Huh?  Ok, now you guys are really confusing me.  I didn't say that.  DaBears asked if the person who wrote the article about Reptillians is "whacko" who believes in that "crap".  I merely pointed out that there are millions who think anyone on this website or who believes Moen's books could be called the same.  I include myself as one of those whacko's who believes Moen's books.  It appears someone is reading things into my posts that just aren't there.