Most skeptics will never believe in the afterlife not even if a spirit dog bit them on the ass ,it dosent matter how much evidence there is to suggest to them the afterlife exists they still wont believe and the reason is they just plain dont want to because they want to be right no matter what ,i,m not knocking them because everyone is entitled to believe what they want to believe i,m just making a point ,why bother to try and convince them its a waste of time  deanna
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Although there is strong evidence seemingly pointing to an
afterlife (enough to make ME take the possibility seriously,
in any event) there are also very good reasons to suspect
we may just be sophisticated meat robots, the product of 5 billion
years of evolution. (Brain imaging studies, brain cell
microtubules, head injury/brain damage aftereffects, ect.)
Add this evidence to the fact that many, many skeptics DON'T WANT
immortality! I know you can't understand that, Deanna. But
people who love clowns and think they are funny, can't
understand people who are creeped out by clowns! And some
people hate the taste of chocolate (something which I myself
can't understand, but I accept the fact of nonetheless.)
So... different strokes for different folks, Deanna. Your thing
isn't going to be everyone else's cup of tea. C'est la vie..!

B-man

Lol Denna  the saying 'those who have ears listen' is quite true.  (Hope your family and son are well)

Chum lad; we are forever creative, I think more so there than here but here is the outcome of the creativity we produce there, and I do believe we do produce this creativity everytime we go to sleep.  We are not a world of robots because we have that magic essence called love and beauty.  I do not think robots feel this sensation and if you hurt a robot it does not cry.  How you otherwise mate?

Dave it is so true responsiblity for our own actions because we are our own masters.  I always thought the meaning 'Jesus died for our sins' has been slightly mis-interpretated. That book I have from from Egypt does gently mention this.

I do believe it should be 'Jesus died because we are sinners'. And of course we are sinners, we should have a close look at that word 'sinner'.  Through our trails and errors and realising that they were errors we learn to correct them as best we can, at least being aware of them is an awakening.  The scriptures and teachings of Master Jesus is an example of how high we can attain.  God does not give us things which we cannot handle, everything is given according to what we need at the time.  We will feel, I am just a fool and never done good things, never done bad things but we are learning, every second we are learning.  And the first start is taking responsibility for ourselves.

God loves us.  This is why he teaches like a Father in the highest possible order.

Well, my thoughts

A good discussion you have raised Chumley.

By ye Fruits shall ye be known

The fruits of God are love, compassion, charity and good-will to others.  These are the fruits humans produce.

I agree with what you say about artificial intelligence.  To look back at history and Atlantis.  Atlantis was a highly advanced civilisation - much more than us today - The gods/masters walked with them in those days and the people and nature were in harmony.  The Masters lived in the Sacred Heights in the North of Atlantis.  The Sacred Heights could only be accessed by initiate ascended masters ie.  out of body.

Then certain forces in the South had their own agenda in wanting to take control. The tower of Babel hints towards this uprising and how the people from the South tried to gain access into the Sacred Heights. With no luck though.

Now, they had robots in those days - advanced robots with artificial intelligence, they were called slaves - the slaves of Atlantis. These robots began to turn against the people (maybe used by these forces) and it seems there was a period of war between humans and robots.  This was the beginning of the sinking of Atlantis and it is from here Noah was told to build a boat and pioneer Egypt.

Well, just a bit of background history.  But the point is the Sacred Heights were/are invisible as we are/can be and as God is in His Absolute Essence.  Robots can never be invisible but the people who operate them can be.

Comments?

I believe in paved roads! - I'm not too sure about the govt agencies that are supposed to pave them, but that's another matter.

Aside from that, the oceans were about 100-150 meters deeper about 20-10K yrs BP, and there have been numerous locations, off Japan comes to mind at the moment, where stone structures looking like harbors etc were constructued. It seems that our neolithic ancestors were pretty crafty. However, none of these structures have been positively dated, suggesting that they be extremely old, and not just from the latter ice age.

The precession of the poles, hence equinoxes, suggests that IF the pyramids were actually build long ago, they come into sync with the stars roughly every 13K yr, in a 26K yr cycle. Then, if we take all the big stone pyramids in Egypt and compare them to the stars at the proper time, we get an excellent alignment for virtually ALL the pyramids - why Rigel corresponds tot he "bent pyramid" I'm uncertain, but my guess would be stellar evolution. Anyway, all this points either to 5K ago or to about 18K ago. This is a period in which we lack a lot of good archeolgical data. The Arizona meteor is dated at 10K yr BP, and lots of others have been around, including at about 18K yr BP which could have caused all manner of changes.

As far as I can tell, the serious scientists have more or less failed thus far to accept much of this newer material - like the erosion around the Spynx's enclosure that suggests 10K yr BP. However, they've stopped totally denying it while research continues. Edgar Cayce's followers started a lot of the investigations, but a number of archeologists have taken up scuba to carry one the investigations.

d

BP = Before Present.

The "bent pyramid" actually designates a star, and I believe that it is Rigel. The evolution of stars begins with hydrogen to helium burning, then I believe it goes to triple alpha-carbon generation from helium nucleii, then I think comes silicon - but uncertain - Anyhow, there are stages of stellar evolution that might have been pointed out intentionally, although I don't know why. This and all other pyramids align precisely with the sky twice in each 26K yr precession cycle. My bet is still that we're shorting the age of the pyramids by 13K yr. If one looks up meteoric activity, there was a significant series of impacts at about 18K yr BP.

The story of Noah also came to mind, as well as the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the possibility that the stories were mixed up a bit over the years.  - a meteorite in the sea would certainly create 40 days and nights of rain, as well as tsunamis. Most cultures have a flood myth. A cometary body which was heading for the Earth would appear as a trail of smoke by day and of fire by night.

Egyptian mythology and very early eligious traditions (for example as reported by Wallace Budge) suggest that the roles of Horus, Isis etc were actually efforts to defend against a catastrophe. Horus is styled as a pilot whose machine shot out fire. The egyptians mention a great serpent (perhaps Apep?) that bit the heel of the Earth-Father. Again, a flying snake might be the interpretation of a comet. The fiery feathered serpent, Quetzelcoatl, rising from the waves thus suggests the restoration of civilization. And Q's "feathers" could be easily be interpretations of the various spurts of cometary ejecta.

An impact would set the world back a few thousand years, but the few remaining survivors would restore population and social culture relatively quickly.

And then there's the Dogon who say that they came from an 11th magnitude (?) star, too dim to see with the unaided eye, that circles Sirius in a 60 year cycle. The Dogon have a festival cycle of 60 years.

My personal objection is not so much to those who speculate and suggest that this or that MAY have happened, but rather with scientists who dogmatically pronounce their opinion as fact. Generally, whenever anything comes down to a "scientific pronouncement", it's because nobody really knows for sure, so they want to shut up their critics. And that covers the problem of archeology in the Magdalenean.

dave