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Dec 17th, 2006 at 5:59am
 
I will endeavour to make this episode as brief as possible.

I awoke one dark, late autumn morning, at 06.45 c1965 to find my youngest daughter, then just around 3 years old, standing by my bed. I spoke to her on arising saying something in an affectionate tone like, "Oh, hello darling", passed her, moved to the foot of the bed to switch-off the alarm clock which was due to start ringing. On turning around she had gone and I knew something odd was afoot.  I made my way to her bedroom where she was tucked-in sound asleep. I felt the heat surrounding her and she certainly had not got out of bed. Furthermore, the bedroom doors in the flat were apart by just an inch or two so that my wife and I could hear our daughters in the event of any disturbances. Our own bedroom door, when moved, squeaked in a manner that would awaken the dead, so she hadn't passed through that door by opening it. Furthermore, had she been in the room physically, owing to the darkness, she would not have been seen yet I clearly witnessed her.

What I saw was her full-sized figure dressed in a white, loose, but perfectly fitted robe (which I thought were her PJs) and I especially noted this almost bewildered look in her eyes. The most fitting description I can provide, if some of you can recall the old monocoloured photograph negatives which were capable of showing detail, was an apparition like that. The PJs she was wearing in reality were ill-fitting ones with a pattern.

To all of you who, so far believed that apparitions come only from the departed then think again. It looks as if the book will have to be re-written!

Today, my daughter and her husband are running a successful business.

That was one of two apparitions that I have seen but what intrigues me (probably a silly question) is, whenever an apparition appears, why should it be clothed?
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Reply #1 - Dec 17th, 2006 at 10:19am
 
That has always made me wonder, too.  The closest I can come is that we think of ourselves as clothed most of the time.  Robes are probably easier to "imagine" than specific clothing, which might explain some folks showing up in robes, though my late husband came in his jeans and work shirt, but he pretty much lived in those, so it would probably have been harder for him to "imagine" himself into some other outfit!

I would be fairly willing to bet that members of some aboriginal tribe that runs around in nothing would appear to their family members in nothing...it would be so much part of "who they are".

Always the standard disclaimer...I may be totally full of it... Smiley
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Reply #2 - Dec 17th, 2006 at 2:43pm
 
I agree, Cricket,

we have sense of ourselves, who we are and are expected to be.
So if I were 3 yo and wandering OoB to see my parents, I'd slip on a robe or something too.  Smiley

Soldier ghosts haven't changed out of their uniforms in over a hundred years, and many female spirits are known by their garments
("The Woman in Pink," "the Woman in Full Mourning," etc.)

When we visit the afterlife, we find people by how their appearance is remembered, even when they report they're about to start a new incarnation, and have been in realms where their essences of light would not work as clotheshangers.

It must be spirit ettiquette.  Smiley Wink

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Reply #3 - Dec 17th, 2006 at 9:17pm
 
Hi Jen-
I get the impression that our clothing is like a material equivalent to an aura - but that we put it on deliberately, and them view it as part of our "extended self". 

Many people report ghosts without clothing - or bodies either. Just blobs of light. Maybe your ghosts are more dignified and proper. Wouldn't want to be caught with their ectoplasm hanging out.

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Reply #4 - Dec 17th, 2006 at 9:52pm
 
Hi Jennings,

I have a few ideas to throw your way.  I believe that even those going out of body have modesty.  I know from my own OBEs I am still the same shy and modest person I am in physical life.  So that goes with the theory that your daughter wanted to be perceived clothed and thus you saw her with clothing on.  So then you would wonder, why didn't you see her wearing the clothes she was physically wearing?  One possibility is that she herself projected the "information" of wearing the robe rather than her own PJs.  Another possibility is that you saw her in the robe because that was your perception of her and the robe was merely a distortion in your perception.  I know from my own OBEs that distortions in perception are possible.  The state that you were in was also highly conducive to distortion.  You had just woken up.  It is my theory that even though you felt fully awake, you were still in an alternate reality and not fully atuned to the physical yet.  This altered state allowed you to see her.  The information you were receiving of her clothing was simply the information of "clothing" and not precisely exact physical information.

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Reply #5 - Dec 17th, 2006 at 11:04pm
 
All nice theories folk but I don't think they fit but having said this I cannot proffer a better one. My thinking goes something like this; if I were to see the apparition of an animal then presumably it would be the same vision that I could readily expect to see on this secular plain, i.e: no clothing, just its fur. We too are nuture's animals and while we wear clothing could this be what nature intended or is it a human conceived adornment? If wearing clothing is not what nature intended (ask naturists/nudists their views) then why would anyone from the spirit plain choose to wear clothing? I cannot accept that what I saw was in any way a fiction nor a distortion of mind; while the figure of my daughter I saw may not have been concrete, it was however physical; it had shape, form, presence, and substance, and I passed in front of it! I readily accept the OOB theory which can probably be the only explanation (meantime) but to be wearing, not only clothing, but clothes that fitted perfectly which hung slightly loose on her and the folds were evident. I am not prepared to allow Dr Susan Blackmore to influence me that it's a fiction of my imagination which is fatuous. There seems to be an interesting implication here which raises other questions; like apparitions wearing clothing seems to introduce the feature of morality and a sensitivity to nakedness, and if so, then surely this would contradict nature? I sometimes wonder if the clothing worn has some kind of symbolic meaning connected to say, a chronological dating feature, which would lead me on to my second experience of apparitions but I will raise this later, meantime, I continue to be interested in hearing the views of others.
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Reply #6 - Dec 18th, 2006 at 12:01am
 
hi there. I've always been intrigued with this one retrieval where I leaned against the girl's solid warm leg and got so carried away that she was solid, that I almost forgot to retrieve her!! Smiley
yes, she was wearing clothes. Smiley then my 10 yr old daughter climbed into bed with me once and said "mommy?"  at that time I was depressed and crying and I reached out and she was solid too. I was in the astral zone though. my physical eyes opened to search for her and I found her in her own bed sound asleep.
I think basically clothes serve us in many ways, in the garden of eden we covered up with a fig leaf, but I think that had to do with judgment of being naked, then we wear clothes for protection from the elements too.
your little girl had probably been impressed by mommie, we always wear our robe upon arising from bed. she might have forgotten to kiss you goodnite and this allowed a projection.
hullucination is too convenient of a term when we come upon verification we possess more than one body; following the TMI teachings, we are more than we think we are, yet less than the sum of the whole.One body of thought is able to function in a sideral dimension, or as we normally think of what is an afterlife station, but said station is contained adjunct the physical location vibrating more slower is the matter, yet the astral must be solid as I've touched it and the inhabitants are of the opinion they are solid as well. they do not always enjoy being told they have no physical station, my guides have admonished me to be gentle. Undecided
I see thought as holographic material and we are thought encapsulated, or I should say essence or holographic soul stuff, twinkling stars, you have to be poetic when you have no science or rationale within these areas for what is experienced as real.

if it wasn't her astral body, (your little lass) it could be explained as a combination mind film projection and astral projection from her mind to your bedside which is still phenonmenal due to her young age. I would think her intention to be there was very strong which gives me wonder more than discussing whether it was real. I already know it was real because of similar occurences.

a lot of people do have dreams of flying naked. a few of these I did. I'm always mortified in the morning to discover I've been flying naked. I spend hours deciphering why I forgot my clothes as people on the ground pointed at me.

I really think Jennings, wearing clothes may have a lot to do with religious concepts as well as fashion, and protection and culteral influence and standing naked before man is one thing, but standing naked before a great being of light, that would be quite another story, because standing before the light means all the dark places are exposed.
I think though, I would enjoy this tremendously...fresh starts you know...

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Reply #7 - Dec 18th, 2006 at 2:31am
 
Jennings, I have no doubt that your experience was real.  I also believe it was an astral projection on your daughter's part.  I hope you understand that by the word "distortion" I did not mean something that is not true or real.  I meant it in the way of how nonphysical information gets distorted by our conscious minds interpreting what we are perceiving.  Have you read any of Bruce's books?  He writes about this.  It's not to imply that information does indeed get distorted, it is simply a phenomenon that happens and has been written about by many authors writing about OBEs. 

Learning from my own experiences, I'd like to offer this:  What we perceive as "solid" and "physical" is merely a matter of perspective.  Solid and physical are no more or less real in nonphysical reality when compared to the physical realm.  We only experience things as solid because of our perspective in this slowed vibrational reality.  Remember, everything is made up of energy.  So I have no doubt that you perceived your daughter's astral projection as solid physical form.  Like Alysia, I too have experienced the astral plane and feeling every bit as solid and physical as the physical world.  It is truely uncanny. 

Nice to see your new picture Alysia!

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Reply #8 - Dec 18th, 2006 at 9:01am
 
Greetings,

I'm still stuck on the 'sense of self' issue---

Maybe we keep some vestiges of 'ego' in the earlier stages of spirituality, before we're fully released to the Light. It would help us to recognize each other and to keep our light/energy together to prepare for the next round of incarnation. While we still have individual identities, there are still gradations of change:
So ghosts wear no light, just the fashion of their time because they do not recognize their own spiritual side and so are caught by their egos in their own time. (I had a retrieval of one fellow who was in rags and tatters because he'd been digging for earthly treasure for over a century. He couldn't change his clothes. Both his clothing and his ego were very stubbornly in place! Wink )
But higher spiritual beings wear the flowing 'gowns' that approximate their aura's shapes. (Isn't there a quote from a good book that says angels were "clothed in Light"?)
So I think 'clothing' in spirit follows a graded process, whereby the innocence of a child comes in a gown where flowing lines are more like the angels' qualities of light.
More Light=more gown/robe approximation of aura=less individual ego.
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Reply #9 - Dec 18th, 2006 at 9:10am
 
I see that I have a few fine women here 'nipping my tail'! At a certain level I agree with what is being said so there is no major disagreement (hopefully) except that I have travelled this road previously and as Khayyam would say, "I have heard the arguments but came out of the same door as I went in" and I too keep returning to the vista of the 'here and now'. My own experiences would lead me to believe that while there does appear to be a spiritual existence to life, that the difference between those two aspects is considerably less than what some would have us believe. When we move into the arenas of 'how' things happen rather than 'why' then we seem to get buried under the concoction of technological-hype where we are left to 'claw our way out'.

For example, the belief in a God seems to get us stuck in a spiral of misconceptions that tends to take us into the realms of fiction and fantasy. The only evidence that is available and which surrounds us like confetti on a daily basis would suggest that there is a creative force but whenever we start adding our little pieces of fantasy (mostly what we have been indoctrinated to believe since infancy) then we become trapped in this realm of fiction. We desperately need to separate our thinking from our primitive and innate fears and hopes and attempt to comprehend matters more objectively.

Here is another consideration; mostly we live in hope; the hope that there is a better life somewhere, like the humanistic concept of the Garden of Eden, but what if this life of ours is that garden, then what will we be saying when we return to the otherside (not, incidentally, the 'afterlife') would it be "Oops, I've made a mistake"? We would then have missed what we set out to achieve and enjoy. It does appear that we have the option to make our own salvation but, only during the course of this life. If you would choose say, to employ someone to manage your life, would you employ yourself for instance?

It is recognised that we at times feel that life is like a voyage where we cannot see who is steering the vessel but this does not imply the concept of a God. If such an guy existed, he would probably be very lonely indeed, and suffer from a constantly sore head listening to our bleatings.

While my psychic experiences indicate that there is another level of existence, I do try, however, to keep my feet securely anchored in the soil where some of us believe we belong.
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Reply #10 - Dec 18th, 2006 at 11:24am
 
If wearing clothing is not what nature intended (ask naturists/nudists their views) then why would anyone from the spirit plain choose to wear clothes?

I don't think it's so much "choose", as just "assumed".  I base this in part on stories from others where the further along spirits are, the less "physical" they seem.  Those who are still basically "this world" oriented (or are trying to make someone who is feel more comfortable) would show up in clothes...the latter conciously, to make the observer more comfortable, and/or to be more easily recognized, the former because it probably just hasn't occured to them not to.  An example of what I mean...I got a concussion a few years ago, was out of it for a few minutes...when I came back around I wondered where I was, what had happened...but never "do I have clothes on?"  It was just an assumed thing - if I'm out sitting on the curb, I have clothes on, so if someone had somehow been able to tap into my unconcious and check into "clothed or not?" the default setting would be "clothed".
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Reply #11 - Dec 18th, 2006 at 4:46pm
 
That's an interesting consideration Cricket but the default setting could only apply to those of us who normally and usually wear clothes or are we, by nature, naked apes originally destined to live in hotter climates? The fact that the apparition was clothed, would this confirm that what was seen was a figment merely of imagination and, if so, how and why? Was my daughter seeking to communicate with her mother and myself or is there some other explanation to which I am unaware. My own logic tells me that something was occurring beyond myself to which I was privy to witness or could there be some other factor involved like those on the other side (although this was an OOBE) sharing or playing host to our adopted morality; so many questions seeking answers.
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Reply #12 - Dec 18th, 2006 at 7:56pm
 
but the default setting could only apply to those of us who normally and usually wear clothes or are we, by nature, naked apes originally destined to live in hotter climates?

That would be my assumption, as pointed out in my post.  I haven't personally witnessed any naked apparitions, but then no one I knew in life wandered around naked...I'd assume those who do show up in that state...

Since your daughter, if I recall, is four?, I'd expect her to show up clothed in something...kids that age are very into "this is how we do it", and we go see Dad with something on, and are proud of having dressed ourselves to boot.  I think that the clothes are neither here nor there as far as proof of the reality/fantasy of your experience, we really don't know why they (wandering spirits, whether vacationing from their sleeping bodies or passed) do what they do.  What you saw makes sense with your having seen your daughter OBE, looking as she assumed she looks when walking around at night.

They may just project "me" at our brains, and we see a hybrid of their self image and what we expect to see when we are told this "image" is so-and-so.  As I said, John would almost certainly, without really thinking about it, have seen himself in his work shirt and jeans...and I would have thought of him like that too, so seeing him that way doesn't tell us much.

Also he was standing on the front walk when he visited...I wonder, would he show up butt naked in front of the astral version of our neighbors?  Enquiring minds want to know... Wink
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