Greetings all,
Yesterday i heard a speaker (a Jungian psychiatrist)
who said that what we thought we knew about cause
and affect type rationality is up for question now
because
we have to accept we don't understand the basics of
time and space, our context for all C1 experience. Time and space are so elastic that they are not measurable and we don't know why, she said.

She showed us a simple exercise that showed the elastic qualities of time.  She did three timed 2-minute readings:
one from a VHS directions booklet,
a brief biography of a famous person with some emotional effects,  and a guided meditation where we imagined we were in a beach scene she described.
Almost everyone there thought the last one was a small fraction of the length of the first one, and the second one was in-between.

Here at Bruce's we know that once we leave C1, time and space are elastic but I thought it was pretty amazing that now even the rational measuring part of our minds has to admit that too.

Do you think this idea will change peoples' thinking much?

Thanks for any thoughts on that idea, Betson

Well, I for one think there`s something to "Elastic Time" in C1.

I always remember my dad saying to me when I was a lot younger that the older you got, the faster time seemed to go. Not so, I replied. School holidays seemed to last forever and I couldn`t wait for each summer, Christmas, etc., to come round.

Now - how right he was. I am in my sixties and each year seems to last less than the previous one, even though I know an hour now is the same as an hour was all those years ago. If I live to my eighties, or beyond, I`m sure a year will seem like a month or so.

Why do you think the older we become the time seems to pass that much quicker?

roger 

Hi Betson

being a book person, you might want to quickly glance at this interview from 1997 I think:

http://www.drredwood.com/interviews/rechtschaffen.shtml

I haven't read the book but I imagine it has some interesting stuff in it. The book review at Amazon doesn't tell much more but you can view the page with a quote from Joseph Campbell abou teternity being here now, which is sort of the same concept. Rechtschaffen is a founder of Omega (the list of founders has gotten shorter over time but he and his wife stay on it).

the Jungian person was speaking of what we know intellectually. it is what we experience on the practical level that makes the difference. How did the experiment (the 2-minute readings) change the way you live?

Roger, when you are 12, one year is 1/12 of your life. When you are 60, one year is 1/60 of your life. (Besides when you are 12, you are in school and possibly wish you weren't!)
When is was about 12, I had a wind-up clock that ticked very loudly. I could guestimate the pasing of one minute by mentally counting to 60 at the pace of that clock ticking, and on occasion I did it without the clock there. I'm not yet 60, but closer to that than to 12, and I think I could learn to count a clock minute again as long as I didn't drink alot of coffee. That part doesn't change.

betson, when I was young, I used to get wicked bad fevers when I got sick. I recall once how having a fever distorted my sense of time. I was supposed to be in bed but I got up for some reason. I recall having a weird experience in which I felt the sequence of events was scrambled, like scrambled eggs. It was as though I experienced things out of order. I think fevers can affect the experience of the space-time continuum. Yeah time and space are elastic. But I couldn't control it. I wouldn't recommend this while driving. No danger for me...I was about 9 then. I don't get bad fevers now (but it sure was trippy way back then when I did).

I've noticed the differences in time too.  Yesterday, for example.  For those of us at my workplace, time seemed slow.

I looked up at the clock at what felt like 9:30..was sure that was what it would say, only to discover it was 9:05.  The same thing happened at the end of the day.

One of the ladies was rushing..and I looked at her and said "Its only 2:00."  Her response was "What?  I thought it was going on 3!  It feels later.."

I even had the sensation of "walking in molasses."  So, for us, yesterday's time moved more slowly.  Hope it doesn't pick up the pace today..

I second Betson's request to Dave.  Your post was intriguing and I'd love to see you expound on it a bit more.  Even if you don't expand on it, thanks for the post.  - Rob

Thanks, Dave 

OK, I didn't understand your second post, so I'll go back to your first one:
" As we near the maximum rate of awareness, we also tend to distort the time and size of objects that we experience. "

Remember back around the 1980's, there were some sports photos taken and videos rerun in which some super-athletes seemed to show shamanistic shape-shifter or space jumping abilities? Is this related, through their "maximum rate of awareness" in their mental processing?  Could we say then that the major dimensions of time and space become plastic, mold-able, if we can get our awareness (some mental processes) to a maximum rate? To do this would we be asking our Interpretor to practically synchronize with our Observor?

Bets

Time is said to be linnear in our physcial reality, but not to exist on the spiritual planes.  Emmanuel Swedenborg, as I recall in his conversations with angels, felt that they did not understand time as we knew it.  In the spiritual world, a soul was going from one state of being to another.  It was more a change of state rather than a linnearly measurable event. 

In our physcial world, time can be measured precisely by machines.   There is,as this quick example showed a subjective component to our conscious awareness of time. We have all experienced this.  "Time flies when you are having fun."  Or the converse, that in suffering, every minute seems interminable. 

I'm not sure what the speaker's point was.  We do have much to learn about quantum mechanics, physics, and the nature of the universe.  Consciousness must be factored into physics at some point.  If we are trying to understand the meaning of our lives, however, pure science and rationality will only take us so far.  Our divine nature, the place of love, grace and the power of thought itself are concepts that can never be fully explained by the rationalility of the scientific method.


M

DocM wrote on Dec 13^th, 2006 at 12:54am:


I agree that is why the world needs a scientific paradigm that encompasses both a rational approach and an understanding of spirituality.

http://www.synchronizeduniverse.com/