we're on the same wave length dude, but hold on, don't get ahead of yourself
yes, all is allusion here or there in that theres nothing solid or substantial here, its all in a state of vibrational flux.  not only that but time is temporary illusion. and things break here. the heavens have objects that don't break, because they are not situated in frozen time zones where decay is the nature of renewal.

by the way, A Course in Miracles supports Ickes projections. the Course says whats left of a life when it ends is just this love which are composed of. we are stardust. yet I wish to say I'm certain if one wishes they may keep their present individuality or put it in a drawer..lol...
you will hear many new age people wishing to discredit reincarnation premises. I've read another book which settled for myself the question of its necessity to return and clean up one's act (karma) or just for the adventure.
I'm inclined towards the adventure part after studying my life. we are chips off the block of god, because we can recreate ourselves in C1. undergo transformations if u will.

the reason we don't know its an allusion is because if we knew it was an illusion, it wouldn't be real to us and we wouldn't take anything seriously. we had to make a veil over it, for the gain. Now, someone out there reading this might say, what gain?
I perceive no gain to coming back to this hell hole! but wait a minute..read Monroe..he said the graduates possessed something they didn't have when they began their life.
its more like, dude, you can't explain it, thats why you had to be there, to live it.

I read Cozzolino's book, the Path. the layers of consciousness are there, only because we all decided to be in agreement that the layers were there (afterlife stations and BST's)  the magic of agreeing that the world is flat or round is what I'm talking about.
we created it all. it didn't just appear or explode into being, we created it because we wanted it that way. we are all one in that sense expressing individually. on the 7th level, some have referred to as 7th heaven, is connected to the crown chakra. on that level, if you gravitate there, you can remain for eons for what is eons? simply a part of infinity, but you can't even break up infinity because that is beyond comprehension. ok, got sidetracked..lol...darn words!  on the 7th you may remain individualized as to know yourself that way. Cozzolini was told by his mentor and this makes sense to me, if for one nanosecond an individual unit of consciousness entertains a thought of becoming involved in some activity, drama, life circumstance, has a desire, he or she is teleported into an area with former associates or new friends, to make a new plan and dive into another world...doesn't have to be this planet either.

but love makes the world turn..no sooner do our loved one depart than we are wailing you left me here by myself!!   sorrow will hone the soul to return to remembrance of who and what they are. as we are trying to establish love is the thing we all need to understand to cease the killing. this here planet has a bad reputation for killing!

thousand years of peace anyone?  

I've been other people, and not all of them nice, but most of them wish to impart a service and that is the single premise. but after doing my life review I saw I always made the choice to come back, sometimes for a person I needed to retrieve or just to express love. its all been worthwhile, although I know its not fun here sometimes, its still worthwhile and there is gain.
Ickes is right on. you should read The Path Dude. I had to read it 3 times.
then I started to see how we create reality as co-creators. you surprised me today. you've only 18 arent you? I told this board we got some star children coming in during the shift! lol! watch out! the kids are the future.

you're right. need that contrast. always in the sun wouldn't know what the dark is.
Ickes feels trapped maybe? he might be talking about the cycle we get in..I can see us on the other side raising a toddy and saying "One more time for old time's sake!"

its addictive, or can be addictive from one's perspective, they can say, hey, we are gophers, we are pawns, we are trapped...but really, you don't want to believe everything you read do you? just throw out whats not useful and take what rings true from all materials.  if it falls so flat I feel a thud sound in my solar plexes I'm out of there so fast its like I was never there. love, alysia

Greetings,

Agreed!   Agreed with all three of you, and Ickes.

Maybe another way of saying it is that we, the little specks/wavelets, just get bored with all that big harmonious infinity, and our lives on planets are just our own variations to the big Infinity Wave.

Such boredom could be seen as breaking the big Wave's harmonious flow and therefore wrong, so It lets us out to go clink and clank around awhile, bouncing off each other in the chaos of our motives. And that's often not as much fun as we thought, but we can't rejoin the Big Wave until we're readjusted our vibrations to Its own.

That sounds childish next to yours. I think I'll go write a children's book! 

Betson

I forgot to mention one part of Ickes theory.  He also says that there is in fact time in the focus levels of the afterlife.  He says the illusion of time is not just in the physical plane, but in all of the focus levels as well.  He says that it is just a different system of time, it is not the same time we experience here. This kinda makes sense when you think about it. For example, our higher selves are waiting for us to rejoin. If there is no time, there is no such thing as waiting, because waiting is a term relative to time.  If there was truely no time, our higher selves would not be waiting for us, our loved ones would not be waiting for us, we would not do things in sequential order in the afterlife, because all of these are relative to time. It may just be a different kind of time that we experience after this life on earth. I believe that time exists in some way, shape, or form,  until we become part of the Whole again.

After reading Ickes books, I am pretty sure he does not think the universe was created by satan. In fact, from what I remember I believe he says that we created the universe, but that there are other forces in power now that control it, that are against us "finding our way back to love".  He says the universes is an illusion, but he also realises that is is made of energy and frequencies and vibrations.  What he means is that it is an illusion in the way we percieve it.  We do not see the universe in terms of its true form, its energy, but the way our brains process everything we sense puts a mask over the universe in its true form.

One more thing, regarding the below, the universe is not controlled by dark forces, it is watched over by beings of love and light. When it comes to the World of spirit, beings who are caught up in their own self created darkness, are too cut off from the source to control things. A being has to be willing to connect to love before its vibrational rate will increase to an extent to where it has the power to do anything, and then it'll want to act only according to divine love and wisdom. You can't judge the state of the universe by happens on the 5 o'clock news.

[quote author=OutOfBodyDude link=1165704035/0#9 date=1165858598] In fact, from what I remember I believe he says that we created the universe, but that there are other forces in power now that control it, that are against us "finding our way back to love".  

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Icke has stated this over and over again throughout most of his books. He knows why we came here, and what happens we we die. As do most of us. However sometimes our spirits do not go "home", they get caught in belief systems and such.  This is the problem that Icke discusses in his books.  Only he gives specific reasons why we get caught up in these belief systems, he points the finger at specific people and entities. Whether he is right or wrong we do not know, only he knows this.  But you can't say he has it wrong if you are not even familiar with his materials.

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Once again, Icke does not think Satan created the world. He says that we created the world. We as in the whole, and each separate part of the whole residing on earth helps to create and change it every day. In fact, Icke does not even mention Satan as being a real entity. The only thing he discusses is satan worshipers. Not satan himself, there is no such thing as satan and he knows this.

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Actually both the "physical world" and the "spirit world" basically consist of the same thing... vibrational energy, what makes them different is the frequency of the vibrations. We think the universe is solid because our brains percieve it that way. however this illusion our brain creates obviously dissipates when we no longer have a physical body. I can float through anything on earth when Im out of my body... not much solid going on there is there?

You say Icke is dissillusioned and does not have his facts straight, but I can bet that you havent even read 3 paragraphs of his work. Hmmm looks like someone else doesnt have their facts straight.