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Reply #45 - Oct 23rd, 2006 at 1:12am
 
Great insight Dave.

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Reply #46 - Oct 23rd, 2006 at 2:54am
 
Juditha , I think the distinction has to be made that we can forgive through the knowledge and  the love we have learned, but through that forgiveness dose not mean we  are saying the actions where right, its just saying, there's a higher law and we are not privy to all. And because we don't have all the information at hand we are not to judge. Its a much simpler road when you reach this level of understanding. Wink
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Reply #47 - Oct 23rd, 2006 at 3:09pm
 
Hi all Thanks for replying to my question,i will take your answers on board.

I would just like to add,that the Jewish people payed the ramson money for our gallant King RICHARD THE LIONHEART of ENGLAND so he could be set free from the holy land were he was held to ramson.

Love and God bless you all Juditha.
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Reply #48 - Oct 23rd, 2006 at 3:15pm
 
King richard the lionheart was a good king he cared about his people ,the jewish people helped to set him free because they knew he was a good man god bless juditha love deanna your sister
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Reply #49 - Oct 23rd, 2006 at 11:40pm
 
george stone wrote on Oct 20th, 2006 at 12:01am:
We are not going to remember if we go to the spirit world,if there is reincarnation.In my opinion,we will leive this earth,and if we reincarnate,we will not remember anything about the spirit world,because we will forget it when we wake up as a baby,and we will think that we are here for the first,just like all the past lives we have had.George


hi, I'm making an effort for George here as I got off topic too. Smiley I think in general you are correct George in that memories are wiped out so to experience the newness, a new life unemcumbered by the previous. however, there are exceptions to every rule. I have read of children recalling their previous life, later as they got older they forgot again as such remembrance is frowned upon. I do think that we also agree to wipe the slate clean, to be reborn. however, heres another qualification to that; all lives that you have lived you are still living them; as reincarnation is not to re-enter..as time is all one thing. my pov and this takes a lot of meditation to really get it, that each time period is a movie set of no greater consequence, than say your other life you are living in 1910 or 1165 BC.

there. back on topic. lol...heres a little note of assurance to Juditha and Deanna. I believe this is true and it satisfies my need to see justice in this world. I have read many places in my studies that when a Hitler or anybody crosses over, with the life review it is nessessary for the soul to experience the pain they have inflicted upon another in order to learn from their actions and make better choices. if the pain that has been inflicted was done intentionally it bodes worse for the life reviewer who now has to deal with the error or sin they have committed. much help is needed by guides to make new life choices if that individual decides to continue evolving. if the grief caused was not intentional, meaning this person did not enjoy watching others suffer, then it is much easier to rectify this one back to a former state of innocense by 1) profuse apology Smiley  2) a plan to make it up to those who were hurt

and what I meant by forgiveness is the same as Shirley said; if you carry the hurt inside you what u believe another person has caused this; the other person no longer feels this to be true, while you carry inside you this burden of grief, so it hurts only us to be bitter and continue to hate. god will redeem us all in the end, and those few and far between are sometimes simply recycled. but thats so rare I've heard, and its not something we can even fathom. but we have many justice angels out there..we are taken care of and watched over, this I am sure.

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Reply #50 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 12:49am
 
deanna wrote on Oct 23rd, 2006 at 3:15pm:
King richard the lionheart was a good king he cared about his people ,the jewish people helped to set him free because they knew he was a good man god bless juditha love deanna your sister



Hi Deanna,

to take things completely off topic, I wanted to add that it is a shame that King Richard's older brother, Henry the Young King, who WOULD have been Henry III had he not died before his time, was not able to have a long reign....he had the makings of being a very, very good king and was treated rather unfairly by Henry II his father...   history is filled with tragic figures, for sure....  LOL

As for King Richard, though, he spent more time in France than England by far, and yet everyone identifies him as English today! lol

and don't forget that the English people were taxed all to hell as well to come up with the ransom to pry Richard away from Henry VI the germanic Holy Roman Emperor
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Reply #51 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 1:51am
 
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Juditha , I think the distinction has to be made that we can forgive through the knowledge and  the love we have learned, but through that forgiveness dose not mean we  are saying the actions where right, its just saying, there's a higher law and we are not privy to all. And because we don't have all the information at hand we are not to judge. Its a much simpler road when you reach this level of understanding. 


Stated perfectly. Wink

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Reply #52 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 4:48am
 
Matthew, thank you for clarifying the misunderstanding of the Jewish nation.  The Zohar is the most sacred book and so are the people.  It reminds me of this writing;

The interpretation of the sacred scriptures is based upon the underlying meaning in the allegorical narratives. Thus we see that what had been striven for in the narrower circle of the scriptures had become the concern of a community. But naturally its strict character has been weakened by being shared. The communities of the Essenes and Therapeutae form a natural transition from the Scriptures to Christianity. Christianity, however, wished to extend to humanity as a whole what these communities had made the concern of a sect. This of course prepared the way for a still further weakening of its strict character. 

Ah, well .. its bad enough being weakened without being incorrectly interpretated.  Roll Eyes

George, what you said makes sense and Chumley said something which I have studied;
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But they say it's a million times harder on the "other side", as you lose the ability to make changes in your consciousness!


I agree with this statement and this is why earth is called a schoolroom. 

Take it and eat it.
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Reply #53 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 1:38pm
 
Hi aylsia Thankyou for that information,you have given me and Deanna,i understand a lot more now.

You are such a kind and loving soul,love and God bless you Juditha
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Reply #54 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 1:39pm
 
THANKYOU ALYSIA LOVE DEANNA
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Reply #55 - Oct 26th, 2006 at 8:11pm
 
well you're certainly welcome J & D Smiley  when I see people that can accept to become mediums, I feel you are making a contribution to help us all wake up to spiritual realities so we can get away from the dark ages at last..for sometimes I think we are still very primitive society when I can see such a beautiful future humanity where we all get along because we know there is no death that is final, that we will have always a new day and a 2nd chance. I feel if you can stand up in a place where people come to have some hope, and you can say, there is a loved one beside you now, then you are doing a great work and service to that heart that thinks death is the end and the end of love too. and that gives me a reason to love you dearies.  Smiley
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Reply #56 - Oct 26th, 2006 at 8:48pm
 
I'm sorry, Aug..the Zohar was written in 13th century Spain..

There are many "sacred" books..the Baghavad Gita, for example..quite sacred also.  The Koran..the Vedas, the bible..all of these are "holy" books..with bits of truth, but not complete, and yes, distorted down through the years by man attempting to translate and interpret them.

One is not more "sacred" than any other..and in my opinion, the only knowledge worth truly considering..is that which is within the realm of really knowing.

I know it may seem like I'm just being argumentative here, but I'm not really.  When one makes definitive statements such as "this is the most sacred book" it discounts what everyone else holds as sacred.  I don't hold Jewish beliefs above any others..nor below.  They are all equal and valid in my sight.
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Reply #57 - Oct 26th, 2006 at 9:26pm
 
Once I was in the office of my professor and looked at his book shelves and saw "The Tibetian Death Book". I said to him "Well, quite impressing, looking at these religious texts, and NDE experiences and all that, how similar it sounds";  "Yes", he replied, "and how different, too.".

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Reply #58 - Oct 27th, 2006 at 10:49am
 
B-dawg wrote on Oct 21st, 2006 at 8:52am:
I greatly fear that this "stripped subconscious mind" experience is what is waiting for me on the "Other Side", NSD. I'd prefer oblivion to that. Or at least let the EASTERN religious vision be true, and I can reincarnate over and over instead of being stuck in a freaked-out dreamworld for the rest of eternity. (That's a long, LONG time for me to be constantly trying to stick my teeth back in because they keep falling out, or vaguely dreading that I've committed some awful crime and I'm about to be arrested and sent to a prison full of 8-foot-tall 350-pound butt-pirates, or any number of other dream sequences that have been recurring for me my entire life..!)
As for cryonics - maybe that will provide a means of escape for me from such an "afterworld fate"... so I think I'd better start a "freezer fund" ASAP. Maybe it'll give me some peace of mind at least..!

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Interesting thoughts. I don't exactly seem to relish your views on this board but you do get me thinking!
If you perceive being in the afterlife as being in a freaked out dream world for all eternity, then from what I've been reading that might occur for you! But I believe in the 'version' of re-incarnation where you not only have multiple earth lives, but multiple lives between lives in the spirit world. So if you believe that the afterlife or 'interlife' is a freaked out dream world, then atleast you would wake up in a new life when you incarnate next. The mini-version is going on on a daily basis in our lives in C1, 'freaky dreamworld' when we sleep as you put it and then we wake up. Perhaps our daily lives are a mini-version or metaphor for this process?  Undecided  I would hope this 'freaky dreamworld' could also be a very pleasant one. Depending on your willingness to receive peace and enlightenment.
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Reply #59 - Oct 27th, 2006 at 7:55pm
 
Never say die,
I have thought about this the last days, and I've come to this: When living physically, there's an easy way out of freaky dreams- you just wake up when it's too much. Without physical body, of course you cannot wake up this way, but maybe in other ways:
After some rounds of repeating threatening dream situations, one maybe is remembering that this has happened several times and then one decides to not play this game anymore, for example to say to the monster: "OK, eat me, then it has an end." Now, what comes then would be like a waking up.
Possibly, the other way to escape an uncomfortable dream world is to keep focused on physical things, to build a maybe boring, but nonetheless stable and non-threatening personal environment.

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