LaffingRain wrote on Oct 21^st, 2006 at 12:41pm:

Interesting thought occurred to me as I read this, Alysia..
I read somewhere that we leave part of our energy There when we incarnate Here.  I wonder if its possible that some of these so-called evil people just left too much energy There and are living on raw brain input?  That is, not enough spirit in the being?

The conscious resides within the spirit/soul..perhaps not enough was brought along...

Hmm..that brings to mind something that happened a couple years.

I was exploring, not sure just where.  I did go oob..something startled me back and for a couple hours after, I felt like I wasn't quite "all here."  I had to go back and find the rest of me that seemed to have been left there.

So..in my experience, its entirely possible to split yourself even here.

I, too, could not imagine wanting to deliberately split my essence that way.  Just the time it accidentally happened was enough for me.  Of course, if you do this as a baby, you may not be aware that part of you is missing. 

I'm often fascinated by idioms and sayings.  One of my favorites is "I feel like I"m not all here."  or in reference to others who seem not quite right, we will say "they are not all there"..which makes me wonder..if they are not all there..or here, where are they?  And where did this saying come from anyway?

You make me think too, Alysia..love you too!

Chumley's purple slug with polka dots reminds me of my own dreams, and I definitely don't feel very intelligent nor competent when I'm stuck in one. The people with whom I do regressions always seem to keep a part of the rational mind aware and engaged. But when I contact a spook that's hitching a ride on someone's psyche, they seem to have a very limited one track mind. It's not that they are unable to think, but they are stuck with that specific idiom, and if anything else occurs, the initial impulse is to continue the same idiom. This is essentially what Bruce refers to as a BST - a  belief system that limits external exploration, and that is also self-perpetuating in  some manner. In retrievals, the problem is to puncture the BST without shocking the soul into terrified retreat, and then to suggest that some kind of alternatives exist.

I still like the story of the tank commander who was led, not into the light and away from a false idea, but rather led back to rejoin comrades in arms who just happened to be in the light. Until that idea had been put to him, he simply was stuck forever running the tank across an endless wasteland. When a new outlook was shown him, and it was "safe" to accept new input, the BST opened a bit to include others, and then still farther to continue into the spiritual experiences appropriate to the dead. The limits to thinking were still there, but they now had expanded to allow further experiences. 

This is essentially the same process as most of the psychoanalytic therapies. The patient is typically so wrapped up in a self imposed blindness that rational ideas either must be fitted into that same frame of thought, or rejected as not making sense. This is one of the reasons that many people view insanity as "doing the same thing again and again, but expecting a different result each time. "

To reach people who are candidates for analytical psychotherapy (as opposed to simple behavioral reprogramming of stimulus response linkages) it is necessary to find an idiom that links the inner awareness and its BST to the outer world and its plethora of options that generally have been undiscovered because they violated the assumptions underlying the BST. As Caryn pointed out, Hermes Trismestigis said "As above so below." This is totally true in terms of "retrieval" of the mind of a psychoanalytic patient. It seems to also be true in doing retrievals, and in entity depossession.

While I think that Chumley has been a bit heavy handed in the way he expressed it, his idea that we just "go with the flow" seems to me to be borne out by experiences on many levels. And, unfortunately, after one's material vehicle has been boarded by "8 foot 350 lb butt pirates", there is a tendency to fixate on rage and hatred. This often is carried into death, and it seems to shape the way that the victim later feels and views things. Sometimes we get a chance to work with such people before their bodies fall off, and other times, we see them after they have discarded the material frame. Therapy in both cases is identical.

dave

Thanks. Matthew - that was some interesting material that I didn't know. 

I had an acquaintance who knew Hitler when she was a girl and said that he was quite nice.  Very easy to get along with etc, a charming person. My only knowledge pertinent to him is his reportedly being regularly dosed with methamphetamine by his physician (who had to acquire it illegaly) - perhaps that explains both the anal rigidity and also the manic drive - regardless of consequences the manic psychotic is God (true, but not exactly) and thus the world suffers. What a pity that his art professor turned him down.

dave

Matthew..I had forgotten about the methamphetimine use..I've seen first hand the damage that drug does to the mind..and that explains further alot of what Hitler did.

(my how this thread has rambled from the OP, huh?)

As to Hitler being atheist, that's a new one for me.

The Jews respect Jesus as much as the Muslems do.  They believe he was perhaps a teacher, but certainly not sent from God.

Juditha, Hitler was a pawn..

As to the "choose Jesus or Barabas", that sort of thing did not happen.  There is no historical reference to the letting go of one criminal for a Jewish holiday.

And, yes, Paul totally corrupted Jesus' teaching.  Which is why I will have nothing to with the bible and Paul's teachings.  He was an upstart who took over.  Peter was to be the apostle to the gentiles.  Paul was a liar and an interloper, pretending at times to be humble.

Since Jesus himself never wrote anything, all we have is retold stories, written at the earliest 40 years after his death.  There are no other records, outside of the bible that this man even existed, let alone that he did all the things recorded.  Me thinks the tale became overinflated as the telling went on..and distorted, as in a game of telephone.

Ok, that's off topic, but I had to get it out.

As to wishing someone be in eternal torture..wow..just..

Just a side note: My mother was a fullblooded German.  She grew up in Nazi Germany, and while she did not support Hitler..she had many firsthand accounts of what happened there.

Juditha, where did you get the information that Judas thought he was helping Jesus?  He was the groups treasurer and saw the money.  He was also greatly disappointed that Jesus did not overthrow the Roman rule of Israel.

Hi Shirley   My tears are for the Jewish children and there familys that died in the gas chambers.

Hitler was the second antichrist and you cant say that the crowd did not shout for Jesus or Barrabas,weres your proof of this,and how do you know that Paul was a liar.

I do hope Hitler is were he belongs on the lower realms with the antichrist Satan and suffering like he made those children suffer.i feel no pity for him,my pity is for the jewish people.

Also its my personal opinion that Judas thought he was helping Jesus,as the Sanhendrin tricked him.

Love and God bless you Juditha

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