We are not going to remember if we go to the spirit world,if there is reincarnation.In my opinion,we will leive this earth,and if we reincarnate,we will not remember anything about the spirit world,because we will forget it when we wake up as a baby,and we will think that we are here for the first,just like all the past lives we have had.George
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That could be a good thing, you know.
Depends on the person! Imagine some kid who gets arrested for pot
possession and spent the next five years getting traded for cigarettes
and being raped up the tailpipe before he finally dies of AIDS.
(I know, most of you afterlife believers consider this sort of thing
"justice", our pure, holy, Jesus-blessed great and mighty George W. Bush's gotta win his "War on Drugs", right?)
Wouldn't you think, that kid might like to start over with a clean
slate (i.e. reincarnate) OR would you think it would be better for him to
"go to a permanent abode" in the "spirit world" where he gets to
remember his prison experience FOREVER, and continue having his
thoughts shaped by that experience for all eternity? (I think I've just descibed REAL Hell here, folks..!)
And there's lots of other things that people would just as soon forget
as well. (See how there's a "good side" to everything?)
And of course, *ETERNAL OBLIVION* post-mortem would solve such
problems also.
(Just how cruel IS reality, anyway? Something to think about...)

B-man

[quote author=Chumley link=1161316893/0#3 date=1161358469]Reality is what you make of it.  Our minds and spirits are creative.  We are bound by past experiences (torture, misery) as long as we see ourselves as bound.  We are free when we realize that no matter what happened to us, if it were horrible, that does not define us or our future.
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Still doesn't do any good for the hypothetical prison inmate I mentioned, Doc.
To just "throw the bad stuff over his shoulder" our protagonist would have to be gifted with the mental discipline of a kung fu master... hell, more like a freaking Jedi Knight!!! Not to mention the level of "enlightenment" of a Ghandi, or a Tibetan Lama.
If he's like most people... we're talking millions... billions... INFINITIES of eternities of Hell, Doc. Remember, changing your mind is as hard as f**k here in C1. (As a doctor, I'm sure you're aware of that!) But they say it's a million times harder on the "other side", as you lose the ability to make changes in your consciousness!
Isn't that a hell of a price to be forced into paying, just for violating an IMMORAL law (i.e. marijuana possession)? And the scenario I mentioned DOES happen, Doc. Happens more often than you'd like to think. (Thanks to the glorious "War on Drugs"...)
Wouldn't just snuffing the guy, giving him oblivion... wouldn't that make more sense (assuming there's no "starting over again" via reincarnation...)

B-man

Hi, I am new to this website and I was just reading about the subject "WE will not remember if..."

I am assuming what is being debated on is if we will remember our past life when (or if, as I am still sitting on the fence myself) we incarnate to another "being".

May I ask the question, will my personality and thoughts and everything be exactly the way I am now?

I look forward to spending some time on this site and getting to know some of you, and your beliefs. I am after all searching and wondering if there is life after death. I am a nurse and see people die quite regularly. To me, I only see a body of what once was a person, cease to exist anymore. Which reminds me, does the body actually weigh 21 grams lighter? I saw that in a movie and heard it was true.

til then...Scarecrow

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Who ever said this? When one is on the other side and has their life review and feels what others felt when the person having the review did something to them-------------------that is when the real waking up to full consciousness happens. I don't know where you got the idea that you lose the ability to make changes in your consciousness after one transitions but it's totally false.

Namaste,
Mairlyn

I don't believe that we lose free will and the ability to make changes. I don't see why there should be a difference in free will simply because a soul has left its physical shell. In fact I think there would be alot more choice with so much to explore in the afterlife, but if crossed over with your mind in a bad condition and you believed in eternal damnation, you may put yoursel f in a hellish state for a very long time.

'Man/Woman makes his/her own heaven and hell' is the way I see it via the outlook on things. The spirit would just have to open their mind and cry out for help. I've read alot about how there are more highly evolved spirits who take it as a job to help those 'lost' souls in the lower spheres.

As far as re-incarnation is concerned. There are a few articles of interest in the link below.

http://www.paranormalreview.com/News/Reincarnation/tabid/126/Default.aspx

Hi Never say die I agree with you in a way,as people who are feeling hatred in there soul when they go to spirit are helped with love guidance and understanding.

But if you go through history,there was evil people in the world and there are evil people in the world today.

I always had my own personal beleif that hitler persecuted the Jewish people,because  our beloved saviour was King of the Jews and he was jealous of the worship they gave to Jesus,and he wanted to be worshiped as a king and wanted to be supreme over all and he saw the love of jesus from the Jewish people as rivalry against his so called cause of having some kind of super race,he was a human and utterly evil.

Its like in Ceasers reign ,there was a emporer who raped his sister and then thought he was some kind of God and beleived he was the king of the Gods called zuse and he cut her baby out of her womb ,why she was alive and ate it,also he was really cruel to his people,he was human and utterly evil.

So there are humans who are evil,and when they pass over they are given the chance to change if they want to,they are given love and help,but some choose not to take this love and help,even in the spirit world,when we go there,we still have free will.

Love and God bless you Juditha

But Juditha, the Jews (for the most part) hated Jesus and still do to this day..
Hitler had a damaged brain..damaged by venereal disease.  His soul..I'm not so sure about that.  He was a self proclaimed Christian..and blamed the Jews for Jesus death.

Most "evil" people are brain damaged. Its like trying to run a really good program on a computer with a faulty motherboard.  It doesn't matter how great the program is, it just won't function right.

We are a convergance of both the spiritual and physical.  One truly effects the other.  A young soul may not be able to handle the defective input from the physical.

But, have you known someone who's life was just one tragedy after another..and yet they themselves remained strong and peaceful?  Ever wonder why?  And of course, we say things like "that (circumstance) would have crushed a lessor person."  To me, that is saying a weaker/younger soul could not have handled it.

Personally, I think Hitler was a quite young soul..like an immature teenager who is so self absorbed they cannot see beyond their own "needs" and "wants".   If you give such a one all they want, in the case of a teen, a fancy sportscar, all the money they want to spend, etc..they are usually going to crash and burn.

So, give a young soul all the power they want..and you end up with a Hitler or Hussein.  They cannot handle the responsibility that goes along with the power.

I can almost see the conversation before he incarnated, with his guides trying to talk him out of it: "Bulbul (made up name, it just popped into my head ) you are NOT ready for that role..as a world leader." 

"But..its what I WANT!!" (stomps foot for reinforcement)

"This cannot end well, and I would try to change your mind."

"NO!  I wanta do this!  I'm going to do this!!"

"Well, it is your choice..see you on your return."

Now, fast forward many years..Hitler and his consort kill themselves. (suicide is highest among teens)

He returns to the afterlife, head hung in shame.  Most likely, when he killed himself he didn't consider that there was an afterlife.  And, most teens will also run from their problems, rather than face them headon.

So, he returns.  Now, if he has awareness when he returns, then he's not in a selfmade hell.  If not, he may still be in that selfmade hell.

Lets assume, for the sake of this narrative, that his guide was able to reach him before he went to his selfmade BST.  His guide is not going to say "I told you so."

But, Bulbul..he will come with head hung.  And, hopefully admit that his guide was right.  He most likely spent alot of time, cleaning out the damage done by playing that role.  Lots of life review, and lots of cleansing.

Perhaps, he is still there, learning in an astral classroom.  Or, he may have reincarnated already.  Who's to say?  Anyone up to looking for Bulbul..erhm, I mean, Hitler in the afterlife?