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Reply #15 - Sep 22nd, 2006 at 5:38am
 
Rob-Roy that is a amazing post you made - it has helped me feel calm about things.
Every couple should read it before getting married, during marriage and after marriage!

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Reply #16 - Sep 23rd, 2006 at 11:11am
 
baby_duck wrote on Sep 20th, 2006 at 4:11am:
Hello everyone......!

I was just wondering what kind of karmic retribution might be involved in the following situation: Lets say two souls had a pre-birth agreement to meet up together in the earthplain and form a relationship. Say the relationship was suppossed to last X amount of time; however, due to free will, one party decided to "take off" earlier then planned and decides to head home. The one soul was supposed to stick around but due to the pressures of living on the earthplain, the soul decides to either consciously or unconsciously commit  suicide or an accidental suicide. Would this soul eventually re-unite with the other soul to finish where they left off? Might there be some karmic debt of some sort owed to the other soul who remained behind due to "breach of contract"?

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Hi Baby duck, i am a bit confused about your question, especially the karmic debt to the other soul who remaind behind due to "breach of contract"...as far as i understand, one commits suicide and the other stays here on earth??

Committing suicide is a very serious thing, as we all know. He/she will have to come to terms with what he/she has done....in the "suicide plane"....The other soul stays behind on earth to live life and life lessons until its time to move on......they will not meet on the other side, at least not for a long while, as they are on different dimensions....A pre-birth agreement is no guarantee to meet again...Its a promise to help....The suicider will have a whole new packet of lessons to get through......nothing to do with the soul who stayed behind.....This soul may choose to help, out of love....
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Reply #17 - Sep 23rd, 2006 at 1:18pm
 
Hi Marilyn-
Some of us learn fast, others are gluttons for punishment. I seem to be very lucky at the moment, despite the ebbs and flows of reality, and I recognize the great debt to those who helped me gow up to get here. I forget who it was who was remarking on spelling etc in English  - "One is mouse, two is mice. One is spouse, and two is spice."

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Reply #18 - Sep 23rd, 2006 at 1:35pm
 
I asked my ex husband if he knew he was committing suicide by drinking and he said he knew what he was doing. Undecided  you can see the writing on the wall when one flat out walks into death with their eyes wide open like that. he still made karma with me. although he didn't owe me an explanation for leaving me. we weren't the type of people to rag on each other to get the other to change. besides we were divorced. which is only a piece of paper because its still a relationship, papers on it or not. we have to think about karma differently, just as we have to think about reincarnation differently.these are only partial truths. our understanding is very limited here is why we need to explore for ourselves and take no one's word for anything whats going on. Bruce's books offer techniques to explore whats on the other side. confidentially, the techniques work.

back to hubby and karma. he was with a guide when he slipped into my dreams; the guides I would become familiar with. they know so much more about relationships and karma than either Mike or I put together. the guide stayed in the corner, but I had a feeling if not for the guide, Mike would have never thought about what I was going through; my feelings I had failed him somehow to get him away from drink and maybe there was something wrong with me that he couldn't imagine toughing it out with me because I was such pleasant to be around, wasn't I? maybe he didn't love me was the question, or didn't love me and the kids enough to stay with us. the mind comes up with so many questions when we try to understand death. if he didn't love me enough to stay then I felt guilty. I learned since then that we are all like this. we all feel guilty when someone checks out even if its the wrong thing to feel guilty over. I had a series of meetings with Mike after he passed, each one getting better and better in the PUL dept. I know guides just stepped in and helped him after his death, maybe they were past affiliations with him but it seems on the other side folks are more helpful to each other. even my grandmother turned into a guide on the other side, making my mother feel better about herself and carry on. as soon as Mike realized or became aware I was carrying a load of grief over this which would boil up in my throat chakra and choke me from time to time, he came to try and get this energy of grief dissipated from my aura so I could carry on. I suppose he realized then that he was the reason I suffered and that could be construed as karmic ties. he was successful in his endeavor but it took awhile and a few meetings before I got over that choked up feeling and the guilt by examining my belief systems very hard. all my beliefs were wrong. why would someone come to you and try to take your grief away unless they loved you? Smiley

it all boils down to what u believe about yourself since childhood and that carries over into adulthood and even beyond. people even take their fallicious belief systems with them into the afterlife and thats why we have retrievers that go into the BST's.

as for the suicide...sure, it was suicide with the bottle. its just that a shotgun is faster. he had gone into a coma for several weeks, bounced back and took up the bottle again so he knew. this didn't bother him on the other side in the least to have done it this way. in one visit guides, 2 male guides gave him a soul project; a way to expand himself. they visited him frequently. alway lending their enthusiasm to this project. they were going to put him into acting. yes, they even put on plays on the other side to my amazement. I was heartened that he wasn't alone, he was going to make friends. this acting project was perfect for an introverted person to flower themselves. and the play they had planned? high philosophy with humor. I wanted to be with him as I like acting too! but I knew I had to live my own life. we just didn't worry about each other anymore, thats how the relationship changed. everytime I look in my twins eyes I see Mike. he gave us those eyes..and they were magnificently beautiful eyes. the relationship never ends it just gets better. love, alysia
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Reply #19 - Sep 23rd, 2006 at 8:56pm
 
Cuddlepie wrote on Sep 23rd, 2006 at 11:11am:
Committing suicide is a very serious thing, as we all know. He/she will have to come to terms with what he/she has done....in the "suicide plane"....The other soul stays behind on earth to live life and life lessons until its time to move on......they will not meet on the other side, at least not for a long while, as they are on different dimensions....A pre-birth agreement is no guarantee to meet again...Its a promise to help....The suicider will have a whole new packet of lessons to get through......nothing to do with the soul who stayed behind.....This soul may choose to help, out of love....

Cuddlepie..I've never heard of "suicide plane"..other than in the movie "What Dreams May Come".

Suicide, while  serious on the earthplane side, is not quite so serious in the afterlife.  From my own explorations and studies, unless one is say Catholic who believes suicide is a mortal sin, then most do not go anywhere different than others who cross over..that is, based on what beliefs they held in this life, IMO.
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Reply #20 - Sep 23rd, 2006 at 11:29pm
 
I know this is unbelievable to anyone but myself and maybe Shirley and a few others here but my husband when I found him was living in the style of his belief system, his preference for architectural style of abode and this did throw me for a loop, as I was lucid and aware I had finally found him out there. we don't die, we change frequency of vibrational form. he was the same guy with the same behaviors that had made me love him in life. I didn't expect to find him to be the same person. but I did notice some growth aspects were on the agenda so change must be a constant.
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Reply #21 - Sep 24th, 2006 at 9:00am
 
I think divorce is as prevalent as it is because of dualistic thinking.  The grass is always greener when you covet your neighbors or those around you.  The search for a perfect soulmate implies that there are many imperfect ones.  It is a juvenile thought process.  Instead of maturing and evolving with one person, you meet a beatufiul stranger at work or by chance.  Suddenly there is passion again.  The person then concentrates on the faults of their spouse while the new one in their life brings them transitory joy.  In reality, the grass is not usually greener - it is just a quick thrill.  We all want to be in those initial stages of love and lust though they are not meant to last forever. 

Real love and maturity take into account your initial courtship and subsequent earthly lives.  All that you share, all the intimacy and joys of children become so entwined that a mature spirit sees his or her glass as being half full instead of half empty.  I believe this is the key to a successful marriage.  In the end the illusion of separateness of people and spirit is just that.  In order to spiritually mature, we have to be able to not just let go of our bodies, but of our dualistic thinking about each other and the universe when we pass on.

Attachment either to people or things is hard to overcome.  We can still love without the ego attachment.  This, imho is true love.


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Reply #22 - Sep 24th, 2006 at 11:19am
 
augoeideian,

Thanks. I appreciate your feedback. I'm glad to know I'm helped someone.

Love,
Rob

Matthew,

Thanks for your very penetrating insight. I wonder, do you think that one reason people start looking elsewhere is because their agreements are finished and they lack the awareness to handle this the right way?

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Reply #23 - Sep 24th, 2006 at 11:24am
 
Rob,

I don't think agreements are that binding about specifics.  I think most of the divorces are the result of being spiritually immature, and the desire for love misplaced.  So its not love as PUL, but love as lust and ego driven love.  I guess I don't feel that any pre-life agreement would require you to be married for 7 years and then move on.  The divorces come from our wrong thinking and actions.



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Reply #24 - Sep 24th, 2006 at 12:17pm
 
Matthew,

I beg to differ. I just went through a divorce. My guides say that was it. We did what we were together to do, as planned. I also have another soul contract with another woman, verified by my guides and Jeff's guide Sumain, also made before incarnating. So I don't think divorce is always the result of spiritual immaturity. I think that's true for some, but not for others. I think the spiritual immaturity is manifested in the way the divorce is handled. I think you're being a bit dogmatic on this. We don't have to learn all our lessons from just one person.

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Reply #25 - Sep 24th, 2006 at 12:29pm
 
Sorry, Rob,

I was speaking in generalities.  Any given person will have their unique situation.  Its always been my belief that the various reasons for divorce (boredom, midlife crises, the need to be lusted after or to lust after, coveting/grass is always greener, falling out of love, competition) for the majority of people stem from the game of life, dualism and not from the spirit.  Your case is obviously different.  I don't believe we can plan that much before life and then wipe our memories, dive into the physical world and still go through with complex pre life planning.  It would interfere too much with free will.  I believe in some general agreements and outlines or general  plans, but then when the real world scenario ensues and various living energies interact, there are unpredictable results. 

If you have personal guidance on your situation, I respect that and believe it to be true in your case. 

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