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Apparition contradicts belief systems transition
Sep 8^th, 2006 at 11:48am

Hello all,
I found the Afterlive Show website through a link provided by "Fubar".

http://www.afterlifeshow.com/

When I visited the site I saw that they have recordings of their shows for people to play. There is one titled "Why didn't God stop 9/11".

I was very surprised when on the 42:31 minute of the recording, medium Shaun Valentine, who hosts the show told this story.
Apparently, this happened to another medium he knows and trusts. She was living in New York at the time of the attacks. The night after 9/11 she was getting ready for bed, when one of the hijackers materialised in front of her. He just wanted everyone to know how sorry he was.

You can play it here, (forward the recording up to minute 42:31 to cut and go straight to the story)

http://www.afterlifeshow.com/Broadcasts.htm

Now how could this be? If there ever were perfect candidates for transition into a belief system, that's gotta be the 9/11 hijackers, right?
Well it seems like after death, he straight away gained the sufficient knowledge and acceptance to see the wrong he'd done.
How come this guy didn't go straight to muslim heaven?
it does make more sense to me however, that after death people would awake to the truth, but that isn't what we are told.......

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S.C.

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Reply #1 - Sep 8^th, 2006 at 12:06pm

Perhaps his hijacker knew in his heart before the acts were committed that these were not acts of love and had regrets even while following his orders. There are many times that people do things that they know are wrong.

Sometimes the heart knows the truth, and yet our actions do not show it. We can seem to be almost gravitationally caught in a cycle of subservience to goals that do not quite ring true so that, at the time, we cannot find the strength or clarity to act according to the truth that is within us.

This is our human frailty, so we are called to forgive others, as we are all the same in this respect.

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SO New Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 41	Re: Apparition contradicts belief systems transiti Reply #2 - Sep 8^th, 2006 at 12:31pm You DO get what you believe in. Problem is …most people don’t know who and what they actually are (which is probably as well, because they don’t want to believe it anyway). But after “death” you usually become painfully aware of this...
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Reply #3 - Sep 8^th, 2006 at 5:58pm

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Perhaps his hijacker knew in his heart before the acts were committed that these were not acts of love and had regrets even while following his orders. There are many times that people do things that they know are wrong.

Sometimes the heart knows the truth, and yet our actions do not show it. We can seem to be almost gravitationally caught in a cycle of subservience to goals that do not quite ring true so that, at the time, we cannot find the strength or clarity to act according to the truth that is within us.

This is our human frailty, so we are called to forgive others, as we are all the same in this respect.

love, blink

I totally agree with you but I don't think it applies in this case.
When people do things that they know are wrong, these things don't involve losing your life as a result. You must have such a faith and motivation that your survival instint is overridden. Only true fanatics could take part in suicide attacks.
Besides, If this guy didn't really want to do it [I don't believe that because these people are all volunteers], and for whatever reason couldn't get out of it, still he was a muslim, wasn't he?
He should have just popped into this beautiful paradise with the 21 virgins waiting for him and all that. Instead, he was stuck on the earth plane, feeling horrible for what he'd done, roaming the streets of New York, looking for someone to pass on his apology message to.

I think, if all this is true we don't really know how things work on the other side.
The implications of that would be that people astral proyecting are not really out of body. It's just lucid dreaming...
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Reply #4 - Sep 8^th, 2006 at 7:25pm

Since time is supposed to work differently in the afterlife isn't it also possible that this fella went to his 'muslim heaven' for a while before realising how things work and advancing onto the higher belief systems and wanting to show remorse for his actions chose to make it known, which this medium saw. Surely the best time for that to be would be just after the events.

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Reply #5 - Sep 8^th, 2006 at 7:55pm

AH1976 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2006 at 7:25pm:

Since time is supposed to work differently in the afterlife isn't it also possible that this fella went to his 'muslim heaven' for a while before realising how things work and advancing onto the higher belief systems and wanting to show remorse for his actions chose to make it known, which this medium saw. Surely the best time for that to be would be just after the events.

That's a possibility but what are the chances of someone like him evolving so much in a matter of hours.
If being in the spirit world could work such wonders, in such a short period of time, what would be the use for reincarnation?
If belief systems do exists I think it'd be a matter of earth years rather than hours for the soul to progress to higher realms.
Just take for example earthbound ghost, sometimes they stay around for hundreds of years because guides and helpers just can't get through to them.

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Reply #6 - Sep 8^th, 2006 at 8:06pm

Those are some good points, Sunrise, but I still think that people can be of two minds, in that they can have conflicting beliefs. If a person has conflicting beliefs along with sufficient freedom in an afterlife then it would seem possible to me that a message of the sort you mentioned could occur.

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Reply #7 - Sep 8^th, 2006 at 9:37pm

Hi SunriseChaos and all,
I agree with the responds. I strongly believe there is really much possible in the afterlife. What to me seems very important generally is not to set the framework of the afterlife too small, if one seems to be a very good candidate for a belief system, it is not certain that this person actually is going there or if, that it's forever, and yes, as mentionened, I wouldn't make any assumptions about how time there is aligned with time here.
I've seen the surprisingiest things in my meditations (I don't claim this is the truth), one time I saw a past life of mine where that past me committed suicide, and one moment after he did he knew it was wrong and went nonphysically to his family, but it was too late. So, I hold it for possible that one can immediately change mind about what is right and what is wrong after passing the ak border. It may be difficult for others to find how this might fit into the reincarnation/karma process, but hey, there are lots of possibilities why it finally could make sense.

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Re: Apparition contradicts belief systems transiti
Reply #8 - Sep 9^th, 2006 at 5:49pm

SunriseChaos wrote on Sep 8^th, 2006 at 7:55pm:

AH1976 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2006 at 7:25pm:

Since time is supposed to work differently in the afterlife isn't it also possible that this fella went to his 'muslim heaven' for a while before realising how things work and advancing onto the higher belief systems and wanting to show remorse for his actions chose to make it known, which this medium saw. Surely the best time for that to be would be just after the events.

That's a possibility but what are the chances of someone like him evolving so much in a matter of hours.
If being in the spirit world could work such wonders, in such a short period of time, what would be the use for reincarnation?
If belief systems do exists I think it'd be a matter of earth years rather than hours for the soul to progress to higher realms.
Just take for example earthbound ghost, sometimes they stay around for hundreds of years because guides and helpers just can't get through to them.

Peace and Love.

S.C.

LOL I don't think I made it quite clear, what might seem like hours to us could be months/years/decades maybe even millenia to someone in spirit. Quite often we apply linear time as we understand it to the world of spirit. From memory I think Bruce mentions it in his books, but they still give this impression that tomorrow in the physical world is tomorrow in spirit, or thats the impression I get from them.

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