Hi guys,

Just got back from a week or so in the tropics. It was beautiful and relaxing. I spent a fair bit of time working with the hemi-sync tapes and trying different forms of meditation and relaxation. Unfortunately, as yet,  I have not been able to get close to the deep first experience I had with focus 10. I am able to get into a fairly deep stage of bodily relaxation but nothing as significant as body numbness. One thing I forgot to mention in my first message was that during this profound first experience, I felt as if neck down my body was being pushed through the bed. The feeling was like I had a huge person lying flat on top of me. Anyway, after a week of further experimenting I had two quite interesting experiences.

The first was while relaxing to a session of theta wave inducing audio. While relaxing deeply I 'caught' my body swallowing. That is to say that I felt my body swallow as an observer, not instigating, controlling or experiencing 1st person the act of swallowing. This was strange for during the second part of the action I switched back from observer to the 'experiencer'. This all probably sounds rather silly and strange, especially since it involved something as insignificant as a bodily response, but it was very unusual.

The second thing I bumped into was early one morning. I awoke well before my desired time to rise. I happily complied with my drowsy condition and went back to sleep. As I closed my eyes I saw the tops of building which seemed like churches, perfectly. That is, in full colour and clarity. I was quite surprised for I have never pictured something so vividly. Unfortunately I succumbed to sleep before I could play a little.

I also came across an interesting book " Leaving the body: a complete guide to astral projection by D.Scott Rogo " and managed to get a copy of "Ultimate Journey". Both great reads.

Take care all

Peter

Hi Peter ..Focus levels and relaxing:
How much asleep/relaxed is your body when you’ve reached F-10?
I mean, can you hear yourself snore or do you just feel very relaxed? since your not feeling any body numbness. Does it means your not relaxed?

This issue is important to me, and I feel that the question of how relaxed one might be while trying to achieve a Focused Level of Awareness is of interest especially when one is starting out.It get easier with time but it does take patience which sometimes i don't have...lol

I am always amazed at the wide range of states that one can be in, as to
asleep/ relaxed, to access the focus levels. When I first started listening
to the TMI tapes, I would feel very dissatisfied if I had not “gone deep”
during a tape. Then i did not know what deep means..like unconcious..

Over the TMI programs I’ve taken, since then, I’ve learned that a state of deep relaxation is NOT a guide to one’s focus level. It IS a Marker for how effective one is in “tuning in” to one’s guidance and Higher self. Learning to relax deeply is useful to learn the “language” of the Focus Levels.
But IMPO;as one gains experience with this, two trends become apparent:

1- You recognize when the “information” one is getting is a “Focus Level” channel, no matter how relaxed or unrelaxed that you are.

2. You find, with experience, that accessing these channels is really very
easy. Trying too hard can shut down one’s reception of signals. (I’ve come to accept that some times I’ll get information, and other times I won’t -and it’s okay, either way.) I'm happy that i did it period.

I’ve got the impression that it’s best to have a very solid F-10 state
before continuing with F-12. But then you can also used Bruce methods or combine both like a do.

So keep it up Peter...
With love, Romain

Hello again Peter,

I was waiting for your next post.

I took a look at the replies to your previous thread and decided to take a page out of Marilyn’s book, she stuck with the same tape for a week solid. It made sense, as everyone wants/expects to much to soon, so why not go back to the beginning ?

I stuck with hemi-sync 1-2 and while reading this thread found my nodding when I read Romains reply to your post. I thought I wasn’t relaxed enough either to cut a long story short. Which leads me to Romains point, how relaxed in Focus 10 are you ?
After a week with the same tape I can say that the relaxation has gotten deeper with progressive listens and I will continue with this.

Experiences for me this week include, partial astral separation, while listening to discovery 1-2. It started with my ears and my hearing going “funny”, like my ears were dropping bits and pieces, like static on a phone line. There were physical sensations to.
I was so excited I pulled out of it to soon, oh how I regret that now. But at the time it was a “yeah!” moment. I also heard voices also during hemi-sync, not mine, seemed to be the guy on the tape. He said a few things. I must mention the energy gathering to, It was going very, very quickly, much faster than I have ever felt before.

Now to mix Moen and Hemi-Sync, I decided at the end of hemi-sync 1-2 when I seem to feel at my most relaxed to try some of Bruce’s exercises.
(I have to say the silly little finger bending exercise is amazing once you find it). I asked for a helper and, well…..things changed……there was this feeling…..and a charge like electricity all over my body. Sight wise things grew very bright (although the room was  dimly lit), with the brightness came warmth, I felt myself smile. I couldn’t see clearly or hear anyone, but I could sense. It’s so hard to describe, someone was there.

From my previous post I thought I was being pulled in two directions, Hemi-sync being OBE, astral projection, etc and Bruce’s techniques going another way, but now I see they are both going about the same thing from a different angle and can complement each other.

Please keep us posted on your progress,
Clive.

pk wrote on Sep 6^th, 2006 at 9:43pm:


Hi Peter canuck fellow..
From what i'm reading your're were quite relax, but expecting the same experience over and over again..hummm..it may or may not.
The best way as  Monroe says; is to go into the next exercise with the eyes/expectation/discovery  of a child, everything is new, just go with the flow.
You'll find that days easier that others, they will never be exactly the same.
Yeah, the arm/hand feellings are the same for me too, it feels like my right hand  laying beside my body is facing the oposite direction..lol
One thing that work for me is ..when i get to the resonant tuning.. i build my Rebal first and then do the Resonant tuning inside my Rebal, it seem to amplify two fold. I rembember asking a trainer at TMI years ago about this, and she said ...do what feel good to you.! Give it a try and let us know how it went.
With love, Romain

Hi Clive,

thank you for your response. I feel like I have a pal going through the early motions, bumping into new experiencces and ideas with me. I reckon you are spot on with Marilyns advice. Gonna take this a little slower and savour the moments....much to learn and discover right now. Sounds like you are making some great progress of your own. I have had a few pull out moments myself when things got a little interesting. The deep experiences though were great in that it seemed nothing I could do could stop the train...I quite like that I must say. I am interested in experimenting with bruces material. Oh, you might like this....last night I was feeling a little down.... work, stress the usual. Anyway, hit the sack and had toruble getting to sleep, finally got there only to wake up early the next morning. Decided to go back to sleep for a while, started drifting away with my right hand placed behind my head. Then it happens, I get a tickle under the arm pit. There was nothing subtle about this. I cannot recall anything like this ever happening to me in the past. A twitch is one thing, but a tickle....a twidiling of finger pressure? that was strange. Thanks again for the message...please keep me posted with your work.

Hi Romain,
thanks for your reply. I agree with you on not expecting similar results. It is hard though after having such an exciting experience..just keep wanting to feel it again. I am going to give your rebal a go. I will let you know how I go.

thanks again guys
Peter

Hi Peter and all,
after I was at the Gateway Voyage I kept on listening to HemiSync, until I realized that I could do the same things without listening to it. I sometimes go back to HemiSync when I feel I have to readjust to the focus levels, or just to relax better. I call these sessions I do mind-journeys, because I would not put them in the same category as OBEs.

What you posted Peter, about your first experience, of course is pointing to an OBE. I had two (and a half), and they're different than my usual mind journeys, they are simply much more like physical reality, well, out of body in another body which is etheric, but my view was very much like physical.
Now my mind journeys much more feel like imagination, sometimes it's more a knowing rather than really sensual perception. Regarding the state of relaxation, this is very different. Mostly I'm very much aware of my physical body. If I had to cough or scratch I do it and I usually can go back very quickly to "where" I was before. Sometimes I even feel tensioned, and what's happening in the mind journey is affecting my body, so then I often think "well, you're not relaxed enough for a mind journey". But when I go on, and after it write it down, I'm often amazed how much I've experienced in what felt like a tensioned state (and I had been actually tensioned then, easy to notice when you're gone back to C1), so it seems not to be necessary to be deep relaxed for a mind journey (remember Bruce told about doing those journeys/retrievals while doing something bodily in C1).

What you told Peter about the vivid visual scenes you had, this happened to me too, when I was sleepless at night, then went up for breakfast and after about an hour I got back to bed and listened to HemiSync, I saw pictures before my closed eyes, in other way than usual, these were more like physical reality, very persistent and independent, I couldn't move as freely as I am used to when journeying. I believe sleep deprivation enables these kind of visuals. I'm not sure what they are, if they are related to a Focus Level; I listened to a Focus 27 recording and it felt as if I was there, so maybe the "place" is the same but with a different kind of perception.

Spooky