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Aug 11th, 2006 at 4:28pm
 
Well, a bit of background I guess....

I was raised Catholic, saved Baptist and baptised Pentecostal. My wife, Karen, who passed away on July 4th, also had a similar background but was more into Spiritualaity, Intuition (tarot, astrology) and afterlife. My previous teachings means I had to overcome much skepticism, if not total outright rejection of all this "New Age" teachings. But I respected her beliefs and knew that she indeed loved God with all her heart. I'd tried to keep an open mind, but my fundamental teachings and ignorance of things kept me blinded.

We met in 1999, fell in love instantly, married in 2004. We were truly soulmates and I sincerely believe we both were "old souls" who'd been together many times before. Karen had been very sick the past couple years. She had been getting sicker and sicker and the doctors just didn't seem to find what was wrong with her. She'd decided she had enough pain and suffering and took an overdose of painkillers on the night of July 3rd. I miss her with every fibre of my being.

I could not accept that such a sweet, caring and God-loving person could be condemned to a fiery hell for simply bailing out of her severe sufering and pain, as the fundamental teachings suggest. If God was that mean and cruel, then he'd have just nuked the whole world by now IMO.

A dear friend of Karen told me to watch for signs that she was still around me... coins, rainbows, electrical "irritations", etc. She and Karen evidently had a "death compact" that they would contact each other from the other side. Well, the first coin I found was a couple days after she passed, in the parking lot of our apartment. It was a bright, shiny penny dated 1999, the year we met. I was working on our car, I got frustrated and was walking back to the door to call the tow truck. I just happened to look down and one foot directly in front of me, dead centered where I looked down, was the penny. Had I not looked down when I did, I would have likely stepped right on it. In the next two weeks, I found a dime and a penny, right where I work at, right where only *I* would see them. I found the dime on a Wednesday, I had Thursday off, and found the penny on Friday.

Also at work, a bird kept flying through the clearance sensors for the robot next to me, stopping the line. This happened several times over several days and I never rememeber this happening before Karen passed. Karen LOVED birds and I still have our little Conure, Ashes, who is my only companion. I can't help but wonder if Karen didn't have something to do with this. They had been really dogging me at work since she died, for instance, giving me only ONE bereavement day and *still* writing me up for it. Stress got so bad there I that I am now on sick leave for a month so I can grieve in peace.

Anyways, God has opened my mind and Spirit and has led me to discover that much more knowledge exists and that the Bible's view of the afterlife and the Spirit realm isn't anywhere near complete, probably because the Christians of old couldn't possibly comprehend it... "through a glass, dimly" if you will.

Anyways, to cut my disjointed ramblings short, I am just beginning to understand the very crude basics of things like ADC's, levels of Heaven, etc., and I couldn't tell you for my life what a "Focus 10" is... I need a FAQ for the newly-awakened fundamental Christian that will get me up to speed. I read a few posts on the boards here and I see that I know SO little.

Please direct me to some help! I need a "Spirit world for dummies" guide!

Eddie

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Reply #1 - Aug 12th, 2006 at 4:05pm
 
Greetings boogie,  Smiley
Welcome to these wonderful discussion boards! Looks like alot of regulars are out enjoying the last of summer, hence the slow responses.

Most everyone here has read at least some of Bruce Moen's work, at least the Afterlife FAQs and Free articles listed at the top of most index pages. If that doesn't get you into discussions here, just write up your questions and someone will get back to you.  Not everyone has the exact same viewpoint on things, but we seem to agree on the major parts. Many of us come here with experiences similiar to yours so you will soon find you're among friends.
My condolences for your loss. You are wise to acknowledge your grief. Our culture has missed the boat on that and other spiritual matters, but one can 'be in the world but not of it', fortunately.

It's most probable that Karen and her helpers are sending you signals that she still cares and is watching over you. Isn't it wonderful that the 'veil' between physical and spiritual realms is becoming so sheer? Dreamtime is also a good time to communicate. If you plan what questions to ask her during your dreams, you can with experience remember your conversations. Eventually you'll both have move on but she wants you to know this isn't the end of your relationship. You've come so far already!

(Focus levels are Bruce Moen's way (learned from Robert Monroe, another spiritual pioneer), of distinguishing various parts of the afterlife. Old terms have become so sentimentalized and overlayed with various prejudices that he clears up alot of misunderstandings with some new names.) From the tone of your letter I'd guess your Karen is in Focus 27.
 
I had to smile at your letter's ending because that is the same phrase I used when I came here, seeking a handbook for dummies. Bruce's Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook is the best I've seen.

Celebrate Karen's life and love for you, Eddie. And keep posting here, we're happy to share what we've learned through experiences taught by Bruce.

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Reply #2 - Aug 12th, 2006 at 8:39pm
 
Eddie, welcome!  Big step there, from fundamental Christianity to exploring the Afterlife.  I understand totally..have made that step myself and have never regretted it! Smiley

Bets..you've said twice in different posts about folks being on vacation..gotta tell ya, what I've been doing since Thursday hasn't been a vacation Grin Boy, I wish..been working, school starts Monday.. Undecided

Back to Eddie..yes, read the FAQ's..and if you have the opportunity to read Bruce's books, it will help to give you more understanding.

Try the link at the top that says "Necessary Skills" and you can learn to explore the afterlife yourself..
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Reply #3 - Aug 12th, 2006 at 10:55pm
 
Welcome to the forum Eddie. I'm sorry to hear about your wife. It sounds to me like you have had a lot of confirmation from Karen that she is alive and well in the afterlife..................the coins, the bird. Watch for her in dreams.

The focus levels were named that by Robert A. Monroe who created The Monroe Institute. Bruce uses the same jargon that is taught at TMI as he attended several programs there. You have gotten a lot of good advice on reading this website and also reading Bruce's books, especially the 5th one if you want to learn how to access the afterlife yourself.

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Reply #4 - Aug 13th, 2006 at 12:46am
 
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welcome Eddie! just treat this place like a friendly campfire where all walks of life are. I enjoyed your story very much and you and your wife forged a strong love together..don't worry it's eternal. I feel certain you will have more signs and can learn easily to break thru the veil and communicate..just don't give up.

meanwhile, make yourself at home. I wouldn't be one bit surprised that Karen is reading these posts right over your shoulder, sending u her thoughts, as the only thing different in death, my opinion, my feeling, my truth for what its worth, is she is vibrating in a different more subtle body than flesh.

let us know when you break through fully, as I feel you will. love, alysia
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Reply #5 - Aug 13th, 2006 at 1:27am
 
Thanks for all the hellos folks! Much appreciated..

You know, now that I stop and think about it, it HAS to be Karen that led me here. If she is watching me read all this, she's doing cartwheels.

I regret that I didn't understand what she was doing in her spirit when she was here... I even found a Holo-sync Demo CD she had... I always wondered what she was commandeering my headphones for! Smiley

I know that eventually I will be able to reach Karen myself and that makes me so overjoyed! I just have to overcome my doubts from "previous brainwashings" and I'll be fine. For right now, I just want to make sure she's not "stuck" somewhere and needing a retreival. That would suck!

Right now I'm just discovering meditation... I have problems just making my imagination visual, thus, I reached Focus 0.0000001 last night! Smiley

I also learned about Spirit Guides... I'm sure mine is probably watching me in disgust, saying
"you are weak as a baby fart... go live in fear!"
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You may gather that I have a demented sense of humor! I'm pretty sure that's one of the things which has helped me cope through this great turmoil.

Karen always told me that I was the only one who ever showed her unconditional love... our love was like a 5000 on the ten scale. Sadly, had I known what I've found since her passing, our relationship would have been like a 125,000 on the ten scale. I could kick myself for that.

And I've read like 45 pages of stuff on this site today and will probably have a retention rate of 1%. I'm definitely in overload at this point, but I'm so hyper to learn...

Eddie



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Reply #6 - Aug 13th, 2006 at 2:13am
 
Eddie said:  GrinI also learned about Spirit Guides... I'm sure mine is probably watching me in disgust, saying "you are weak as a baby fart... go live in fear!"


lol, my guides have a sense of humor too..why do you think they gave me the name laughing rain? they knew it would make me mad. I am actually very serious is why they did.  so ok, be the baby fart, I'll be laughing rain.

I like your style. keep reading. hugs, alysia
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Reply #7 - Aug 13th, 2006 at 5:11am
 
Hi, Eddie, and welcome to the board. I`m very sorry to hear about the loss of your wife, whom you dearly loved.

I lost my wife just over three years ago and had never really thought about the Afterlife. It was because of so many events which occurred to me soon after her passing which led me to believe they were not just coincidences. Butterflies which came into our bedroom, feathers, as though placed by hand in many places, the odour of her perfume  as I was going to bed one night, a bird would come and sit near to me and sing it`s little heart out, etc., etc.,  Anyway, these events (through my wife) ultimately guided me to this web site and I have now read all of Bruce`s books and others by different authors too.

What I would say is don`t try to hurry things along too quickly. I found by being relaxed (if one can be immediately upon the loss of a loved one) that these events happened more regularly and spontaneously.
I still wasn`t 100% convinced about the Afterlife even then, but my mind was totally made up when I went to see a medium and she came through with things which only could have come from my wife. Nobody in their wildest dreams would have known some of the information. I am now totally convinced that we are a spirit living in a temporary vehicle, namely the body, and that we live on after our physical demise and we will meet our loved ones in the Afterlife.

Read and explore this excellent site then read Bruce`s books - you will learn a tremendous amount of information. Oh, by the way, keep posting too - this is a superb friendly forum.

Best wishes to you,
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Welcome Eddie  Smiley
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Reply #9 - Aug 13th, 2006 at 6:26pm
 
Thank you all so much for the warm welcomes here! I was getting worried for a bit when nobody replied originally...  Cry

Okay, let's evaluate what Mr. Baby Fart thinks he knows this far...


1- My fundamental Christian belief system -

A: I'm a Catholobapticostal, aka "I pray standing on my head and squeeze my nose while I make wierd noises"... At least it shows I have an open mind, a desire to discover and challenge my beliefs!

B: The Bible and Church suppressed much knowledge of the Spirit realm, I believe to keep the sheeple from tangling up with devils and demons. I believe that certain teachings of Jesus and the Apostles were "dumbed down" either in word translation or at the pulpit, to keep people from learning about the power of the Spirit world, although the later "Spirit Filled" denominations (hmmm... notice if you switch the first "N" and the "M" around, what you get!!!) grasped the connection with the Spirit realm in the aspects of the Holy Spirit, Angels, demons and being "caught up" in the Spirit. Many of the Pentecostal-like denoms actually had reports that would parallel OBE's and NDE's of visiting Heaven and talking to people and relatives there. 

C: The traditional "Heaven and Hell" models couldn't possibly be 100% accurate if God is indeed "Love". I don't buy the belief that someone who never heard "the Gospel" or had an experience where they were "saved" went to hell by default. That couldn't possibly be true with a God of Love, who seeks to "save" the entire world. I don't believe that someone like Karen, who loved God with all her heart, would be punished to Hell for ending her suffering by her own hand either.

D: The fact that every denomination claims they're "right" and all the others are "wrong" cannot possibly be true. This brings up the question of "why is the Church now "splintered" into thousands of different denominations in the first place??? God never intended that - that's totally the doing of man and based on doctrinal differences, usually about how a particular passage of Scripture is to be interpreted. One little child once asked another some function where many various Christians were present, "so, what abomination are your family??" which I found to be quite accurate!! Grin

E: Since Jesus' main teachings are about "unconditional love toward one another" does it not then make sense that this is what we are to do while we're on Earth? That this is our "purpose" on Earth? Makes sense to me!

F: Human suffering... well, the popular teaching is that "it's from the Devil"... yeah, to some extent probably, but I think that God has to allow it simply because it's a side effect of the evil which man set loose on this earth. "All things work together for good for those who love God" meaning that He allows it because we need it in order to grow in our love and our purpose in life. He surely doesn't delight in it, "Jesus wept" being proof of that.

G: Hinderances. I know I'm going to have to challenge some aspects that are going to block my progress.


2 - Meditation -

A: I understand it as teaching the conscious mind to shut up and stop distracting and blocking our mind so we can concentrate on what our Spiritual "receivers" are trying to pick up.

B: There's different "levels" of meditation, which I really haven't grasped the concepts of yet.

C: Alpha, Beta, Theta... Alpha and Omega please help me!!! And then there's hemi-sync, which I understand the concept of forcing your brain to hear the beat signals from the frequency offset recieved by each seperate hemisphere of the brain. Okay, I can buy that. Different frequencies produce differing states and effects. Makes sense.

D: My meditations... they're awful! I can't get my mind to produce visualizations, as if my imagination is disabled. It could possibly be due to some of the medications I'm taking. I wouldn't doubt that. I guess it could also have something to due with aging in general. At 43, I don't have the vivid imagination I had as a child. I would guess there's exercises I can do to help stimulate my imagination so I can visualize better?

E: "Guided" meditation. Well, I decided to check one out. Found a basic one on ebay for like $6.99. It certainly can't hurt!


3 - Spirit Guides -

I know everyone has one, but that's about all. I'd like to learn more but haven't found much that is useful at this point.


4 - Information -

What I've found on the web thus far has been really hit or miss. It's taking up a LOT of time searching and reading and I spend way too much time on the computer.

What books/tapes/CD's would you say are absolutely essential for me? Bare in mind that I have a really limited buget this month because I'm on sick leave.


That's probably enough typing for now... I shall let my numb fingers recuperate! Smiley

With Love,

Eddie


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Hi Eddie

I've sent you a PM regarding CDs and meditation. 

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hi Eddie. I see Irene is telling you about some cd's..let us know if u find them helpful, as u say, certainly can't hurt!
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you said: it could also have something to due with aging in general. At 43, I don't have the vivid imagination I had as a child. I would guess there's exercises I can do to help stimulate my imagination so I can visualize better?
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the human being appears to be some kind of programmed robot walking around with skin and sinew wrapped around the programs.  I must say I talk about myself, so I do not be insulting to others.   Cheesy  the above thing u said is a belief system, that you believe you are aging and u are only 43. you don't have to think of age as limiting yourself, (you can tell I'm older than you, right? Grin)  u don't have to be a kid to utilize imagination, but u can look at the imagination differently. u can instead call it cognitive thinking which u are doing anyway. cognitive thinking as dictionary defined is to thoughtfully consider all the possibilities of any given situation, person, or event to outpicture. if you start doing it, you become as a child again, and in the kingdom a little child shall lead them.

yes, I'm not religious either. arent' we all sick of religion? maybe not. but, to be kind, to love what is appearing as other, to love as you love your own life the same, this is a good thing to pass onto our children.



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the human being appears to be some kind of programmed robot walking around with skin and sinew wrapped around the programs.  I must say I talk about myself, so I do not be insulting to others. 


Yes, seeing me at work on the line kinda proves that point. Smiley

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the above thing u said is a belief system, that you believe you are aging and u are only 43. you don't have to think of age as limiting yourself,


Something else I need to UNlearn!

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yes, I'm not religious either. arent' we all sick of religion? maybe not. but, to be kind, to love what is appearing as other, to love as you love your own life the same, this is a good thing to pass onto our children.


Religion... the legalism and laws man imposes which keep us in fear of the God of Love... I'm officially FREE of religion. I do, however believe in God anf Jesus and that God's Love is why we exits. I see things this way... We are to show unconditional Love to all, regaardless of how they treat us, and only God can provide that kind of love for us to give out. 

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Reply #13 - Aug 14th, 2006 at 2:08pm
 
Hello Boogie350:

Sounds like you're trying to listen to your heart and common sense, rather than what fear based belief systems of other people say.

GREAT IDEA! Smiley

Certainly God is much more loving and wise than fear based belief systems suggest. The problem is that the people who formed such beliefs tried to put God and the wonderful World of spirit into the small box of their fearfull way of thinking. I believe that God and the World of spirit want no part of that tiny old box.
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Reply #14 - Aug 14th, 2006 at 3:47pm
 
Yes, indeed... I am going by my heart and I've never felt better.

I know I have a long way to go as far as learning is concerned, but it is my highest priority at this point.

And God just doesn't fit in a box! Smiley
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