Hi iviewolfe70,

you have come to the right place.  There are many people on this board who have direct experiences with the afterlife, ranging from Near Death Experiences to After Death Communications, to being able to project themselves in out of the body or astral levels. 

It is completely normal to be afraid of death.  The good news is that there is an enormous mountain of evidence pointing to the reality of the afterworld.

As you have struggled with religion, I would suggest to help you build some confidence to read about Near Death Experiences.  Many of these have instances where the person was scientifically certified to have suffered bodily death, and when the person came back, they were able to describe things they heard and saw that were fully confirmable in "our" world..whether it was a joke told by an operating doctor, what tools they were using, what personnel were involved, and a whole lot more. 

I think that these are fascinating stories, as they have verifiable elements to them that tie directly to the time that the person was clinically dead and could not have had vision, hearing, etc. in a physical sense. 

that is a good place to start for someone that is highly doubtful in a religious sense.

The other idea I would have is to suggest that you consider that a growing number of quantum physicists are starting to theorize possibilities that have only been considered in mystical senses...such as scientific basis for other universes and levels, consciousness, and lot more.  It is very intriguing that this sector of quantum physics seems to be converging with the mystics.

Those are just two ideas that do not necessarily involve any matters of "religion", just to get you started...however, do not overlook the religious traditions, especially when it comes to confirmed stories of bilocation, clairvoyant episodes, miracles such as raising of the dead, etc...a number of which were experienced by people who were skeptics, atheists, etc. prior to experiencing the incidents. 

Let us know how you are doing after you delve into this a little bit.

Stephen

Hi Iviewolfe,

You are so fortunate that you are confronting your fears. I think that is a wonderful position to be in, even if it is profoundly uncomfortable.

I think that if you explore this site you will find some tools to use to grow into a realization that you are much more than your physical body. This awareness will teach you that your fears are smaller than the resources that are available to you through love and connection to others. There is nothing that we fear that cannot be confronted and dissolved through the greater powers of love.

In my own personal experience, the more I realize that I am connected to life, love and all the other beings in this universe, the less I think about death in a negative way because there is so very much to explore and experience from the heart. The world view that we are taught is not as broad as it should be. There is so much more to who you are.  It is our own limited concepts of who we are that cause our fear. You have come to the right place.

I am so glad you stopped by here, and I hope that you stay a while.

love, blink

Hi Iviewolfe,

 I can understand you perfectly well as this was/is my feeling regarding death. I can/could not support the idea of ceasing of exist.

 I was so afraid, I was not able to read about the issue, thinking that the scientific facts would make clear that we do not survive.

 Until one day, a few months ago, when I was able to investigate a bit. Then I reached this page, and also

http://www.victorzammit.com
http://www.near-death.com/index.html
http://www.nderf.org/

http://www.nderf.org/vonlommel_consciousness.htm
http://www.nderf.org/vonlommel_skeptic_response.htm

http://www.survivalafterdeath.org

http://www.thepsychicbarber.co.uk/index.html

http://www.afterlifeshow.com/

And a great book "Is there an afterlife? of D. Fontana":

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1903816904/002-0171924-5320036?v=glance&n=28315...

and many other resources which have help, together with the messages I read in this forum, to make me if not 100% sure, at least capable of think there could be anything else after this life.

Of course I'd love "see a ghost, hear a voice, anything" but meanwhile, I'm reading Bruce's books to see if I'm able to investigate the afterlife on my own.

I hope this can help you a bit as they did to me.

I use to have those fears too.  Oddly enough, my worst fears came when I was a fundamental Christian.

As I moved away from that, the fears abated.  The more I explored, the less fear I had.

Now, let me ask a question. If we were all delusional (and I don't believe we are), and there is nothing after life, what is there is still to fear?

Death is as natural as life...an integral part of life.  My personal belief on the matter is that its a new beginning.  Somewhat like graduation from school, then beginning another aspect of life.

Explore for yourself..that is the best way to get rid of the fears.

recoverer wrote on Aug 8^th, 2006 at 5:56pm:


Hi Recoverer,

another good post by you, my friend.

I think you are onto something with the contemplation of awareness or consciousness.  I've always sat down and pondered the fact that we are made of billions of independent little cells in a physical sense, each governed by its own nucleus, etc. and each with its own independent function and mission, yet our whole body is controlled by one consciousness.  I find it fascinating that the idea of consciouness confounds science again and again, even leading them to these ridiculous theories about NDE's being quantum consciousness "leaks" when they haven't defined consciousness in the first place.

I am interested to hear about your experiences, as I know you've mentioned to me in a post reply that you have had OOBE's. 

I agree whole-heartedly with your advice on being a good and loving person, leading to a better world beyond this life. 

Shirley wrote on Aug 9^th, 2006 at 5:39am:



Ha, same here, mostly because I thought I was going to burn in hell because I couldn't fathom a man walking on water, and I only feared that because my sunday school teacher told me it would happen when I told her such things were impossible.  Must have struck a cord, to piss somone off enough that they'd tell a 9 year old they were going to sleep in fire forever.   

Which is why I hate modern day christians.  I know, it's wrong to hate blah blah but I really, really do.

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Well, I know this now, that was 8 years ago.  To this day, I constantly test/ask christians about their beliefs and try to see why they believe or if they even know why they believe it.  Most are satisfied with the fact that somone told them to think that way, so they do.  Ignoring all the holes and such that the history of Christianity has, even when I put it right in their faces and show just how ignorant they are.

I use ignorant because it means uninformed, so don't let that rub you the wrong way.

NOW, Christianity as a philosophy, using Christ as a flashlight in the dark room of life is absolutely awesome.  So don't get me crossed with some antichrist punk or what have you.