DocM wrote on Jul 8^th, 2006 at 7:33am:


Hi again Matthew,

(I was busy addressing the other points in my earlier reply to you; it just occurred to me to address this little point now).

It appears that you *might* have slightly misunderstood Hilarion's meaning on this point. Just to clarify for info's sake, the methods of Astrology, Palmistry, I-Ching, Numerology and Tarot Cards, are not quite as implied, "Hilarion's five paths to knowledge". This phrase has implications that might be inaccurate.

That is to say, Hilarion certainly *isn't* saying that everyone 'should' be using these methods, or that these methods are particularly useful, helpful or informative to use (eg. as compared to the methods of modern hypnotic psychotherapy), he's just saying that these methods of divination have the special characteristic of being under a system of protection, by consequence of agreements being made (eg. agreements with the Tarot Angels). This is 'special' in the sense that those who do not know the full story behind these 5 systems, might fail to fully appreciate or understand how they might work as well as they do, if simply based on appearances.

By and large, all other 'methods' (ie. other than these 5, and the Ouija) are neutral in the sense by the principles that most other people here correctly understood, that is the principle of vibrational resonance, or simply put, "like attracts like". So depending on the quality and vibrations of your thosenes, you're gonna be attracting extraphysical beings and intrusions of corresponding nature. Of course, as Petrus also correctly pointed out, there's also the factor of "permission", or put in other words, the "blind guides" and less evolved entities, try to intrude whenever they can. Whilst the true guides & helpers, and all more evolved consciousnesses, only assist or participate with proper invitation and appropriateness.

One more point, Matthew. Other than the difference already described above, with regards to the 5 methods as compared to say, hypnotherapy methods, namely the difference that the 5 methods are automatically protected by virtue of various agreements being made with various guide/helper/guardian/angel beings (though many will still not believe this aspect, and that's fine with us/Hilarion), there is one other critical difference. I address this because the last sentence in your post, seemed to indicate a possible misunderstanding on the meaning of this point as well. (Please pardon me (with my apologies) if my assumptions are incorrect, and therefore perhaps unfair to you. I just felt it possibly informative to use your point, as an opportunity to add the following).

And that is, hypnotherapy (as an example) or other methods are sciences or practices developed by men. The 5 methods are GIFTS of Divination and Guidance, given out of love, unto Humanity by beings that are, in their various capacities, acting as higher guides, helpers, guardians and angelic beings. As a consequence, their modus operandii significantly differs, from what the uninitiated (ie. those who do not study the esoteric aspects of these methods) or from what most people might think.

For instance, most people simply think that the Tarot Cards work solely though one's work subconscious, and for some, they acknowledge the role of the guides & helpers in working through the Reader's subconscious mind to manipulate the cards. That's all well and reasonable.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE FULL PICTURE. Because there exists, behind the scenes, an additional and crucial factor of the AGREEMENT of the Tarot Angels, from whom the Gift of the Tarot Cards came from, and of whom this entire voluntarily project is one of selfless service, love and assistance to humanity.

Now, we're (and Hilarion) are not saying that everyone who uses these 5 methods should necessarily need to know the bigger picture behind it, or that Tarot Card users should necessarily acknowledge the role of the Tarot Angels. All we're saying, is that there is much love and considerable selfless service behind these gifts, a gift of love to Humanity, that most people do not realize.

Rob,

That's an interesting point you brought up there. Indeed, Hilarion was speaking originally of the Tarot Cards, if for no other reason that at the time of that channeling and publication (over 20 years ago), Angel Cards (such as the ones conceptualized and sold by Doreen Virtue) were either not yet in existence, or not yet in popular use.

I do not personally use either of these two tools of guidance, and thus (other than quoting Hilarion on the Tarot Cards), have not much in way of further comment.

Perhaps if someone (perhaps yourself?) had personal experience with both, he/she could share his/her experiences and opinions on the relative (or distinctive aspects of) helpfulness, usefulness, reliability, validity or accuracy of the two systems (Tarot vs Angel Cards).

Love,
Kyo

Rob_Roy wrote on Jul 9^th, 2006 at 2:23am:

Rob,

Yes perhaps, if those who are interested enough in such a question would ask this of Hilarion. It's not personally a topic of particular interest though (I made the original post as a service of warning against a tool that could be potentially problematic). Anyone who subscribes to the Quarterly Channelings and has an interest in this topic, could submit just a question for Jon's consideration to include it.

And, as far as I know, since the original Maurice B Cooke channeling of the article posted in this thread, Hilarion has not spoken on, or probably felt the need to, any clarification on any difference betweent the Tarot Cards or the Angel Cards. And because there is a fundamental similiarity between the way these cards work (the only major difference, as you pointed out, is the "good" and "bad" cards, which the Angels could easily work around by rephrasing their answers and simply leaving out the "bad" or warnings), I think it safe to assume that both of these cards are safe and protected.

This (assumption that the Angel cards are also protected and safe to use) makes sense for two more intuitive reasons - the strong association both these card systems have with "Angels". Anyone familiar with the work of Doreen Virtue would know there's nothing sinister or "dark" about her work. It may be along a somewhat different vibration/nature/direction than say, Hilarion's, but it's still clearly positive.

The other reason, perhaps the most important one, being the characteristic difference you pointed out. Doreen Virtue (and others who decided to produce the cards) might have decided that she wanted to design a deck of cards that do not have the possibility of spreading fear (for instance by someone having a 'bad' card), and so eliminated the 'bad' cards. As a result, there can only be less potential fear and less potential harm done, via such Card Readings. So it makes the Angel Cards even safer, on this level/way at least.

At the very 'worst', even if for instance, the Tarot Cards are the only protected cards (say the Tarot Angels decide, "No, we *only* made the gift of the Tarot Cards; we cannot be held responsible for the Angel Cards as well"), and the Angel Cards are a totally random process, then what harm is there? Afterall the cards are all 'good' cards.

Common sense indicates the 'forces of darkness' (if you will), the intruders, or even the psychotic post mortems (or 'earthbounds' or 'ghosts') will have little interest in trying to use the Angel Cards to misguide its users, because all the cards are 'positive'! So it's a waste of their time even trying! So it's extremely unlikely they would bother.

Besides just the strong association of "Angels" as a fundamental concept behind the Cards, would have a strong deterrent quality. It's also likely that another group of Angels (the Angelic Kingdom is very large) might volunteer for Doreen Virtue's Angel Cards, if the original group of Tarot Angels decline.

So even in the possible case scenario that the Angel Cards are not protected or under the jurisdiction of the Tarot Angels, or any other Angels, the guides & helpers (here, we speak mainly of human extraphysical helpers, not those of the Angelic race, whom belong to a distinct evolutiological and planetary lineage from human souls) would gladly use this opportunity to, most likely through the subconscious mind of the Card Reader, channel through to manipulate or guide the results of the Angel Card readings.

Why would they do it? Because the guides & helpers are always on the lookout for ways to assist us, the intraphysicals. We are their intraphysical counterparts and colleagues. We're a multidimensional team. They help us and we help them, in our common goal of helping others in the world, in the spirit of CosmoEthics, in the Love for the Cosmos or All Beings.


So Rob and all interested in this topic, by my reasoning and opinion then, I do not personally see the need to ask Hilarion for any further clarification, because he's already stated that the Tarot Cards are safe and protected, and because the Angel Cards are the more recent/updated 'version', with new users largely using the Angel Cards instead, it's a safe conclusion that they work the same way.

It's also a second safe conclusion, IMO, that because of the elimination of the 'bad' cards from the Angel Cards, it makes it all the more safe to work with. It may lack the 'punch' of the capacity for warnings that the original Tarot system afforded, but its essentially the same service, only modified to a more 'client friendly' mode.


Love,
Kyo


Rob_Roy wrote on Jul 9^th, 2006 at 11:01pm:

You're most welcome, Rob. 

Love,
Kyo

augoeideian wrote on Jul 10^th, 2006 at 5:32am:


Hello Augoeideian, and all,

A comment on your comment, but not particularly directed at it. Just using this as an opportunity to (again) explain and clarify this point.

Many people seem to be somewhat mistaken about, and overly concerned on, the issue about this, that might be implied in the statement "All answers can be found within, and that aids/tools/psychic readings are totally unnecessary."

This seems to stem from a fear, frustration, worry or sadness over the idea of people being overly reliant on external sources or tools (eg. Tarot Cards, Psychic Readings, etc) for their enlightenment or spiritual growth; worse, letting their personal power, personal free will and personal connection with higher self / God / true self, be undermined, subjugated and subverted, and handed over to the external aid/tool/guru instead. Worst of all, be consequently led astray down misguided paths into eventual spiritual destruction, so to speak.

I do not decry these concerns, certainly. My point is something *completely* distinct. Perhaps I'd explain it in the following way :

The concerns/fears/hatred regarding the idea of subjugating your personal power over to an external source, whilst born out of good intentions, can be slightly imbalancing to the extent of subtly causing many well meaning people to misinterpret or miss the point of a higher level or meaning of the use of helpful modalities. This condition is perfectly understandable and empathized, because not only is in today's preserenissimus humanity lacking in consciential/spiritual maturity to the extent that unevolved practices of corrupt practices/followings/religions subjugate one's personal power and connection to their true self, but in addition truly helpful higher tools or methods of evolutiological value that are simultaneously of a personally empowering quality (eg. the Hilarion Reading), are very much rare or lacking (to the point the more cynical assume these don't truly exist).

It is no wonder a natural and understandable reaction of most people would be to base their assessment/thoughts on the topic, on previous experiences, which are almost entirely negative. Dogmatic religion for instance. Many people fear/hate the spiritually damaging effect of dogma so much, they entirely miss the highest aspects of the various religions (eg. the energy and wisdom of the Christ, the Buddha, etc). But it is difficult to blame the people for their cynicism and prejudice, either.

In quite exactly the same way, when it comes to truly helpful self-empowering and personal-evolution-supporting tools, aids and sources of help (eg. Hilarion and the Hilarion Reading, or Inert Gas (Atlantean) technologies, etc) it is likewise understandable that many people automatically view these with cynicism, and allow the fear/anger/sadness of having one's own power subjugated to an external source, to cloud their capacity to recognize properly the true value of the tool / aid / source of assistance.

I certainly have no intention of getting upset or frustrated over the fear and false ideas mentioned above and decrying/denouncing them, or even of the notion of championing these sources of help to the world, get imbalancing for myself in exactly the same way that the fear/concerns/frustration of having one's one will subjugated to external sources, has also imbalanced the capacity to fully grasp the nature of truly helpful sources of help, that I've described in this post.

But what I *DO* endeavour to do, and what I'm doing now, is to attempt to communicate that truly helpful tools or sources of help (eg. the help your receive from your guides & helpers, from the Angels, from Hilarion and his Reading, etc) work in a COMPLETELY DISTINCT manner from corruptive, disempowering tools / methods / external sources that subjugate one's power and free will. The former category of help actually EMPOWER you and SERVE your own free will (directly or indirectly).

"But how will we know? How can we differential the false prohets/teachers from the genuine?" The answer to this is truly within. In fact (and this is also a corollary of the point I'm attempting so painstakingly to elucidate), ALL ANSWERS ARE ALWAYS WITHIN. The truly helpful tools or sources of help (eg. guides & helpers, angels, Hilarion, etc) NEVER PROPOSE TO GIVE YOU THE ANSWERS. They may address your questions or your issues (eg. in your prayer), but if you're observant enough, you notice that they NEVER tell you what to do. They may offer suggestions and advice, in exactly the way a teacher/tutor/professor would to a college student, but they NEVER subjugate your own personal power or free will.

What of technologies then? Such as the RIFE technology or the Inert Gas (Atlantean) technologies, which I've stated as examples of helpful technologies. Technologies work in a slightly different way. Much of the quality of the result of the application of various technologies, depends very closely on the intention of the users. Would you say the computer is a useful technology? Airplanes? Telephones? Lightbulbs? The radio? Engineering and architectural technology enabling the construction of modern cities, vehicles and computers?

One could indeed say that these technologies, when used appropriately with helpful intentions, are certainly serving one's personal power, one's personal free will, even if this is so, in an indirect fashion. Similarly then, are the tools of the Tarot, the Hilarion Reading, the help of the Guides & Helpers, the Angels, the Evolutionary Orientors and the Serenissimus.

So now we come to the determinant factor or 'acid test', of how one can ensure that one will only safely uses all tools and sources of help, without risk of subjugating one's own power and free will. It is called Discernment, and to be more specific, discernment on whether one's Free Will and one's personal Evolution (in hindsight or retrospect) is supported by the tool or source of help, or not.

Someone once asked Hilarion how to distinguish between a 'good' channeling/entity and a 'bad' channeling/entity. Hilarion's reply was a quotation of Jesus Christ (Sananda) : By their fruits ye shall know them.


I also posted a similar or related reply to LightR_on, Matthew and Mairlyn (in two separate posts), on the Hilarion Reading on this thread here :
http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1151676506

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kyo,

Are you Hilarion?

You promote his beliefs with such force, you would think you and he are one?

Are you?

Its dangerous you know to follow without question?

I think we have here the blind leading the blind!

i agree with everything you have said Kyo.  Thank you for your diligence in this matter, it has taken a lot of work.

Dear Kyo and all,

I have been following this thread even though I have not had much time to post lately.  Kyo, I want to thank you for taking the time to create such loving and thoughful posts of clarification.

To me what all of this boils down to is the creative process within each of us.  In each and every moment of our existence we have external and internal influences all around and within us that seek the expression of movement in the form of our desires.  

Most of the time we desire to create things that we view as something better than what we currently have or have known in our past.  In this we are continually using our gift of discernment to judge whether or not something is better in our view.  In this process of continually making judgments for ourselves we have acquired the tendancy to project these same judgments out into the world, perhaps to hold these up in front of us to again begin the process of discernment and the creation of new desires based on the feedback the world presents to us.  

In all of this processing what may be helpful to one person, may not be helpful to another, however I do not believe that it is cosmoethically correct to place our own expectations onto someone else, but instead to allow each other to have their own freedom of following their own heart in choosing their own path.  Certainly each of us may speak our own truth with the intent of being helpful to someone, however I think we must also at the same time have loving acceptance, understanding and respect for the ideas, thoughts and choices of others.  And in so doing, we should choose our words and explanations as carefully and as lovingly as possible.  

Afterall, it usually is more love and understanding that each of us desires for our self and the way to create this is to allow our own love, patience, compassion, gentleness and understanding to well up from within in our ideas, thoughts, words and actions that we project into the world.

While I did not mention specifics spoken about in this thread, I have an article on my website that speaks to the desire as being the creative process of life itself for those that may be interested it is located here:  http://www.innervisionjournal.com/article_desire.htm

Love, Kathy