Does anybody know if Jesus had dreams while he was physically incarnate? If he did, what kind of dreams did he/could he have? (i.e. Was it possible for Jesus to have nightmares?) I have had a few bizzare nightmares in my day, and I just can't picture Jesus having nightmares for some reason... Maybe he did though, I don't know.

Thoughts?

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

P.S. (And I mean "nightmares" like... "Oh man, there's a headless monkey chasing me through a dark alleyway behind 7-11" kind of nightmares.) Nightmares that are way out there.

Some of the lost books of the Bible that describe Jesus' childhood say he was rambunctious and high spirited. I don't recall them recording any of his dreams like the Bible occasionally did for others. I can imagine he'd have dreams with a sense of humor, as well as prophetic dreams and him using sleeping time to contact higher states of consciousness.  Purely guessing tho. --Do you suppose he did contact various levels or was his focus on an Almighty his only contact?

I see Vicky, Betson and Justin have already addressed Cosmic_Ambition's query; I was requested (via a PM from Betson) to read this thread and add my comments (if any), so here it is.
 

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Nightmares are symptomatic of either some inner disturbance, imbalance, difficulty, traumatic repressed memory, frequently attracting, precipating (and precipitated by) exacerbative energies of an intrusive nature.

It is sometimes possible to be merely an observer (in projected form) visiting some other consciousness' 'nightmare scenario', even to the extent you might experience it from the first person perspective, but depending on the consciential level of the observer, because it's not your nightmare or issue, an evolved observer would not personally have issues of fear and difficulty with it, so it would qualify as "having nightmares". Such a level of evolution implicitly implies the role of a guide helper, monitoring and ready to assist in ways appropriate.


The man Jesus was an incarnation of the extremely evolved being Sananda, whom by the very nature of his vibrations (and this is always up to free will and choice; your destiny is decided by your free will), by his purity of universal, unconditional Love, could be rightly said to be representative of (or a very good representative for) the universal Christ principle, the Love aspect of God, and for this reason, for the sake of assisting Humanity in its evolution, the being Sananda chose to incarnate into Humanity as Adam, as Moses, and finally as Jesus.
 
Sananda's work as a Master Teacher spans many worlds and galaxies, and every world, every facet and form of God, every individual being, is dear to and loved by him. And by the very nature of his being, he remains among the most accessible of the 'Ascended Masters' that are involved with the Earth School, or C1.

So did Jesus have dreams? Yes, of course. Dreams are simply a form of communication, between the various aspects of the individual's psyche, between the subconscious and the consicous and the superconscious, between the incarnated personality and the higher self, between the individual and one's guides, and a bridge for projected experiences, etc. So certainly, just as Jesus communicated telepathically with the guides & helpers, he continued this communication on many levels, with his dreams, projections, meditations, etc.

Did he have nightmares? Whilst Jesus was the man or the incarnated human personality, of the higher self of Sananda, he was afterall, indeed (the incarnation of) Sananda himself, and therefore by the incarnation as Jesus, he had simply evolved far beyond any fear, imbalance or intrusion issues that would be the basis of nightmares. So no, he didn't have nightmares.

Indeed, being incarnate into the physical, biological body and experiencing reality from the perspective of a human being ("We are not human beings having a spiritual expeirence, but spiritual beings having a human experience"), it is true that biochemical and toxicological difficulties can exacerbate and precipitate psychological, psychical and psychospiritual difficulties, including nightmates, psychological imbalances, psychic difficulties, etc.

However, with regards to (Sananda incarnate as) Jesus and all highly evolved beings, because of a greater degree of self-mastery ('Ascended Masters' are called thusly because they are Masters of *themselves*), and higher vibratory rate and power of their soul energies, they are able to 'lift' their consciousnesses above the difficulties of the physical biological body, to a greater extent and control, than the average human being, who is without the effort, training and propensity towards this.

But it is good that Justin brings up the issue of the interaction of physical and biological factors with the psychological and spiritual. This is a point often missed by many people, including spiritual seekers. Hilarion has repeatedly emphasized the importance of a healthy biological physical body, if the individual is serious about successfully completing his/her existential program (ie. the planned purpose of each incarnation), which most often necessitates a healthy body, healthy mind and healthy soul.

"We are what we eat." With regards to the physical body, that is certainly true. Even with regards to our emotional, mental, karmic and all energy bodies, that is also largely true, if the 'food' is understood to be of these natures.

The perusal of the work of nutritionist Aajonus Vonderplanitz, among others, has been repeatedly encouraged by Hilarion, with regards to a healthy diet. The Vonderplanitz diet has had a remarkably high success rate of effectively healing all difficult diseases, including Cancer. The success rate has been documented to be much higher than the medical establishment endorsed methods of chemotherapy (ie. poisoning) and radiation therapy (ie. burning), which in many cases does more damage to the human body and quality of life, than the cancer itself.

The Aajonus Vonderplanitz diet is 100% natural, and does not require supplements or drugs of any kind. The keyword of the diet, is *raw* foods, in the right mix, proportion and variety. Raw fats and raw proteins are in high priority for the Vonderplanitz diet.

Hilarion has emphasized the need to understand the importance and role of fats. Cooked fats (ie. all fats in all cooked foods) accumulate toxins leading in the long term to cancer. Raw fats (ie. all fats in all raw foods) are needed for healing of body tissues and organs, and (take note!) for the removal of accumulated toxins in the body.

Hence, it is easy to see that the quality of the foods that is ingested, and of particular importance, that of fats, being the base material of the nervous system and brain, therefore has a close, intimate and proportional relationship with the quality of the emotions, the mind, the psyche and even the psychical and the spiritual (insofar that the spirit or soul is, for the duration of the physical incarnation, operating from a biological body).

For more information on Aajonus Vonderplanitz, as well as on Hilarion on Aajonus Vonderplanitz (someone had commissioned a Research (ie. non-personal) Hilarion Reading, asking all about the work of Aajonus Vonderplanitz) visit my webpages here :

Aajonus Vonderplanitz :
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/main.htm#WWTL

Hilarion on Aajonus Vonderplanitz :
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/Hilarion/HilarionDiet.html

i cant believe this.this was all so wonderful info. thanks a lot.

if only i could define a nightmare...perhaps then, it is gonna get easier..because sometimes i think a person can have a nightmare and might not be scared during the dream. i say so because it sometimes happens. as if it is somebody else in that dream living all that or as if you are looking at all those creepy, spooky things with the eyes of a very strong creature. only after you wake up, and think about what you dreamt, you do get scared.
so, i think he had nightmares. i think he had a lot of nightmares. because i think he would care..he would somehow be involved in creepy happenings. he would be like a magnet to all darkness from all over the universe..he would have lots of nightmares for that reason. but i dont think he was scared during those nightmares..not even after waking up and thinking over it.

Hello Cosmic_Ambitions,

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The Omega-3, Omega-6 and Omega-9 are classes of several dozen fatty acids that have important roles in the metabolism of the human body. The Omega-3 and Omega-6 fatty acids are essential fatty acids (EFAs), which means they cannot be synthesized by the human body and must be present in the diet.

However, few realize that in addition to specific essential fatty acids, essential amino acids, high density cholesterol vs low density cholesterol, unsaturated vs saturated, monosaturated vs polyunsaturated, cis-fats vs trans-fats, etc etc; all of these are but the tip of the iceberg in the truth about nutrition - that the real battle is between *RAW* foods and *COOKED* foods.

(Previously, spiritual seekers debated whether a vegetarian diet was superior to a diet of meat, with regards to spiritual advancement. The surprise answer turned out to be the last statement of my preceding paragraph.)


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The fundamental flaw in thinking and common misconception among the public is that "fats are bad for health", and as the eskimos have proven, nothing could be further from the truth. Certainly, all wild animals (and consumed raw) naturally have healthy doses of the essential Omega fatty acids, which are vital for good health; but what is the most important to realize, is that (prior to their corruption into modern civilization), the eskimos consumed largely *raw* meat, *raw* undenatured protein and *raw* fats & oils, including the raw Omega fatty acids.

It is *cooked* fats (and cooked or denatured proteins as well) which are causing all the cardiovascular diseases and other diseases (including heart attacks, high blood pressure, kidney failure, diabetes, cancer, etc) that scientists are warning the public about. But the scientists failed to specify

1) it's *cooked* fats that is the enemy, not fats.

2) *raw* fats are not only ok for you, they are the single most important dietary factor necessary for good health! You need *loads* of raw fats for optimum health!

The reason why they have failed to inform the public adequately, is because, by and large, human science, which is manipulated by human fears, have not yet been enlightened enough to recognize the true purpose of viruses and bacteria, and as such, operate from a paradigm of fear.  A fear of bacteria, of raw foods, etc.

Man is the only species which cooks its food. Cooking is a powerful destructive process which irreversibly alters the biochemical properties of all nutrients. Do you see tigers and rabbits barbequing their food before a meal?

Alas, the unnatural infrastructures of modern civilization means we're living away from the forests, the farms, the natural sources of raw food. Consequently, and with commercial profit as a powerful motivation, human beings begin to imagine (wrongly) that cooked food, is the only way it can be done.

And so because of this fundamental error in thinking, scientists only investigate the effects of cooked fats, and they (correctly) uncovered the devastating effects of consuming cooked fats.

But they overlooked the other equally important side of the coin - that consumption of raw fats, is *essential* for good health.

Hilarion has pointed out that for the average human being who have been consuming cooked fats* all his life, his body would have accumulated loads of toxins that will require a directly proportional (usually exponential) increase in his consumption of raw fats, to gradually detoxify or release from the body the years of accumulated toxins.

(*cooked fats include pasteurized milk and its products; and you know *all* milk products you see are pasteurized, meaning cooked)


So Cosmic_Ambitions, Omega-3-6-9 fatty acids are undoubtedly essential for human metabolism and thus required for good health, but

1) Do check that your chosen supplementation of Omega fatty acids are using RAW, unheated, cold-pressed (cold = no heat used; pressed = using pressure to extract the oils) sources. If so, excellent. If not, switch to another brand which does.

2) If you ask "if taking Omega 3-6-9 (fatty acids) is a good way to cleanse the body of saturated fats", then the answer is no and no. First no, is that it is not just saturated fats that is the problem, it is cooked fats. (cooked unsaturated fats behave as saturated fats; cooked high density cholesterol behave as low density cholesterol; all cooked fats behave as trans-fats, which is now openly acknowledged by science to be cancer causing).

And no, taking Omega fatty acids are important for their own essential roles in metabolism, but by themselves are unable to solve the problem of accumulated toxins in the body due to the previous lifelong consumption of cooked fats of all kinds. It  will require a drastic reduction in consumption of cooked fats (of all kinds, including pastuerized milk products; and of course all fried foods!), and a massive increase in the consumption of raw fats, to do the job.


I have listed a few suggestions for sources of raw fats on my webpage here (recently I've found that mixing Raw Avocadoes with undenatured raw protein in the form of Syntrax's Latte Cappuccino flavour of Whey Isolate, tastes wonderful! I gotta update my webpage with that suggestion); but I would urge all reader serious about this topic of nutrition, to please do yourself and your family a big favour, and obtain a copy of Aajonus Vonderplantiz's "We Want To Live" from Jon C Fox's Hilarion.com, or from Amazon.com.

Links (all links on my site, including amazon.com links, are non-profit and non-commercial; they are for visitors' convenience only) can be found on my webpage here :
http://infinity.usanethosting.com/Heart.Of.God/main.htm#WWTL

You're totally most welcome, Cosmic_Ambitions! Cheers to great health, for One and All!!!


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Don, what do you think he felt while the Satan was falling? you see..i just dont understand much of quotations from old books..their language and stuff i just cant make up the scenes in my minds..i  dont even know which of the four books this quotetion is from..so, i was just wondering what your inner voice is saying..if this is the case, if he really did saw.. what is your idea about his state of mind in that scene?

*edit* i ask because i think there is something related with this and the other topic. anyway..seems odd, i agree..wanted to see how it'd go. thanks.

Don:

Interesting quote below.

I've done some research, and found that in the old testament "satan" was sometimes used instead of the word "adversary", and sometimes was used by people to refer to anybody who was opposed to them.

In some cases it was used to explain why people were having bad luck, rather than blaming their bad luck on God. They could've just blamed the humans who caused them to have problems. Why blame God for what we do to each other?

In a place such as the book of Job,  satan or adversary was some being that effected Job with God's permission, as oppossed to a being who does things against God's will.

Some people say that Isaiah speaks of the source of satan (e.g., in King James version of the Bible); however, the earlier Hebrew version simply spoke of a fallen king of Babylon.

Revelations speaks of a giant dragon and a beast from the sea, but when you read how they are spoken of,  it seems like they are symbolic representations for something other than actual beasts. For example "seven heads" can mean seven nations and/or kings that were in opposition to the groups of people St. John was aligned with.

I'm not trying to tell you what the Bible says. I'm certain you know it much better than I.  Just pointing out some things that stood out to me.

I definitely don't believe in fallen angels. It just doesn't seem possible to me that an angel who was created by God for a special purpose,  and who was in the presence of God and understood what his power and glory is like, could possibly go against him. Even if it wanted to, it would understand that it would be like a wave trying to take on an ocean of which it is a part.

And even if such an angel did fall, I find it hard to believe that it could get a third of angels to follow it, or that God would allow it to do such a thing.

Some people might say that it did so because it was given a free will. But having a free will doesn't mean you have to be as stupid as an angel would half to be in order to do what satan as fallen angel supposedly did.

Plus, if angels can fall, what would prevent heavenly spirits who used to be embodied spirits from falling too?

Nope, heaven has to be way too glorious for spirits who occupy it to start falling.  And I don't believe that a being like satan could visit God and speak to him as was done in job or would be able to start a war in heaven, because its vibrational rate would be way too low to ascend to heaven. Plus the love and light there would just blow such a being away.

I do believe that we have negative aspects of ourselves to deal with while we are in the physical, because such aspects play a role in allowing us to grow as distinct and unique children of God.

Regarding negative spirits that bug people, do you see how it may be possible that perhaps they are just really angry earth bound spirits, even if they manifest in a really negative manner? A manner that would be partly dependent on the beliefs they accumulated before they passed away.

This could be true even if they act irreverant towards their concept of God. And I say "their concept of God," because if they really knew God, they couldn't possibly act irreverent towards him.


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Note:  Also, don't be put off by the term "Satan."  It means "adversary."  The nature and origin of Satan can be left as an unsolved mystery. [/quote]

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recoverer, do you have any quotes from his last words, just before his death? Do you, Don?

Well, let's not give whoever or whatever too much power. Seems to me they've cut themselves off from God, so I don't know where they would get their power from. Perhaps some people give them the power when they indulge in dark ways of being, or allow themselves to get intimidated into giving it away, or approach the World of spirits in a foolish manner. "Yeah, I'll play around with this Ouija board, what could happen? It's just a game, right?"



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