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george stone
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Death and dieing.
May 16th, 2006 at 2:24pm
 
Are we fulley conscious while in transission from dieing to death.What I mean is are we awake while dieing and going into spirit? George
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Reply #1 - May 16th, 2006 at 3:14pm
 
I would say that very much depends on the circumstances, for those who go in peace then its possible yes, those who go instantly in accidents etc then no probably not.
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Reply #2 - May 16th, 2006 at 5:28pm
 
Hi George I think we go unconious at the point of death,but also like senote said if its a sudden death then it might be different,my dad died because his heart just stopped and he died instantly.He told me through a medium that when he was falling on the ground his spirit came out of his body before he hit the floor.God bless juditha
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Reply #3 - May 16th, 2006 at 8:19pm
 
Did any of you catch the series "dead like me" I think thats what it was called, it was a short lived series about grim repears, very funny in a quiant way. Anyways these reapers go and find people who are going to die and before it happens pull their soul out of their body before it happens. While I doubt it happens quite like that in reality it was just a nice thought.
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Reply #4 - May 16th, 2006 at 8:27pm
 
Hi George,

If you will, allow me to provide an alternate hypothesis. I'll not go into too much philosophical detail; I'll simply lay the ground from an open-minded sceptic's position.

Consciousness, that spectrum of 'awareness' that is a simultaneous state of 'being' as self-sentiency, arises from a correspondence between two differing realities that hold interfacial relations through the exchange of energy. That is to say (in our case - as human life forms), the differing realities are the physical body and the spirit that interpenetrates it, correspond with each other by the exchange of energy.

If the physical body falls into a condition where a total cessation of energy exchange occurs, and remains in that condition beyond a short period of time...physical death is the result, and spirit disengages, not by conscious effort, but by default of the condition.

What occurs is a polarisation in consciousness; by this I mean awareness is switched from the body focus to that of spirit focus. Spirit's self-sentiency remains unaffected except for in the understanding (through 'gnosis') of its true center. This re-focussing is a simultaneous event that occurs at the moment of transition at physical death, and I would suggest the speed at which it occurs is determined by the rate at which the correspondence of energy exchange between the physical body and spirit fades.

The locus of greatest consciousness intensity, ie, where the greater exchange of energy takes place between the physical body and spirit, is in the brain's cortex, where the reasoning faculties are attributed. This is because when energy from the 5 physical senses impinge upon spirit via the brain (and we must also include here, proprioceptive data [internal body image]), spirit responds with energy signals (that we call thought and thinking), which appear in the cortex. These signals are looped back to spirit as sense data, and thus, it induces self-sentiency, because we become aware of our own thoughts and thinking. This was Descartes eventual position, but he did not see its significance.

When we physically die slowly, as from old age, the higher functioning systems fade first, but death does not occur until the full cessation of brain function is complete. It is very much like entering sleep, the difference being, during sleep the higher cortical system is only dimmed by chemical means, and is able to be awakened at any time by a shot of adrenaline into the system. You may at times have awoken with a pounding heart? This is due to the natural infusion of adrenaline into the system. It is also administered at cardiac arrests to try to get the heart pumping again.

At times of instantaneous death occurring, and by this, I mean the instant cessation of correspondence between the physical body and spirit, the effects upon the body are not registered due to awareness (consciousness) having been switched from body focus to spirit focus so rapidly. However, we have to be careful about how we think in terms of instantaneity, because we cannot talk in terms of split seconds, but in terms of seconds to minutes. It all depends upon what causes the body to lose sustainability of correspondence with the interpenetrating spirit.

Death is not to be feared, but yet, when thinking on death and dying, the fear arises from the anticipation of how it may come to us, and how intense the pain may be if attending it. I think it is around this issue that you ask your question? We all hate to think that we might suffer intolerable agony from a appallingly damaged body.

Hope this has helped towards a clearer appreciation of the process?

Best wishes
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