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The bible says only 144.000 of us go to heaven.Where does the rest of us go? George
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Reply #1 - May 2nd, 2006 at 3:39pm
 
To a better heaven... LOL! Wink

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Reply #2 - May 2nd, 2006 at 8:04pm
 
You know george, 12 X 12 = 144 . It's a symbolic number, but don't ask me what exactly it means, there must be tons of books about that. I wouldn't worry. Cosmic_Ambitions has given a cool answer, it's the right way to take those things, because we will not figure it out anyway.

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Reply #3 - May 2nd, 2006 at 9:53pm
 
I hope they have a KFC in better heaven. Grin
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The bible says only 144.000 of us go to heaven.Where does the rest of us go? George


The bible is referring to the VIP souls lounge Wink

This is why the bible is such rubbish as it was indeed written by men wishing to dominate other men by making statements like that
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I hope they have a KFC in better heaven. Grin

I actually worry about getting stuck in a food heaven.  Something like a free mall food court that has a KFC and a cinnabon.  Really!
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I actually worry about getting stuck in a food heaven.  Something like a free mall food court that has a KFC and a cinnabon.  Really!


I dont think we have 'cinnabons' here in England but you mentioned "free" and "food" and im there  Grin
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Reply #8 - May 3rd, 2006 at 2:22pm
 
Trying to get this thread back on track.......................I've always wondered about this too George. I'm sure Berserk could answer this if he's still hanging around. And I would like to hear what he has to say about this.

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Reply #9 - May 3rd, 2006 at 5:54pm
 
I don't feel that the bible has all the awnsers, and if it did why would scholars choose to leave things out, or change its wording.
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Reply #10 - May 3rd, 2006 at 6:21pm
 
Good point dwdream2... Wink

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Reply #11 - May 5th, 2006 at 6:22pm
 
In ancient Jewish and Christian apocalyptic literature, numbers like 144,000 and 666 tend to be symbolic. In John's vision of the 144,000, the symbolic number is identified as the sum of the 12 tribes of Israel multiplied by 12,000 (Revelation 7:4-8).  The number 144,000 is calculated thus: 12 tribes of Israel x the 12 apostles x 1,000, the number symbolizing completion.  The symbolic number 144,000 assumes the identity of the church as the New Israel in a symbolic spiritual sense.  Paul also views the church as the New Israel in this spiritual sense (Galatians 6:16).  

Just how many people does John see in Heaven?  His answer is found in his next vision:

"After this, I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, tribe, people, and language (7:9)."

The number is large beyond imagining.  And how many can John imagine?  200 million soldiers, for example (9:16).  

Let' s put this unimaginable number in perspective.
In John's day, there are only a few thousand Christians. They attend small house churches because there are no large churches as archtecturally distinct structures in the first century.  John is languishing in exile on the isle of Patmos and members of his churches are being killed for their refusal to participate in the emperor cult.  Nero has recently decimated the church at Rome.  He executed them as scapegoats for his decision to burn much of Rome.  

John's vision seems to anticipate the ultimate salvation of righteous non-Christians.  The unimaginable numbers in Heaven seem to anticipate centuries of future earthly history.  This seems to refute the common belief at the time that Jesus' second coming was imminent.  I have elsewhere demonstrated the teaching in Revelation that God never permanently abandons anyone after death.  

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Reply #12 - May 5th, 2006 at 6:40pm
 
Thank you Don.

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Reply #13 - May 5th, 2006 at 6:44pm
 
I'm sure that for some people who believe the bible literally, there will be exactly 143,999 other people in their heaven.     Wink
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Reply #14 - May 5th, 2006 at 6:45pm
 
Don:

Do you believe that there are a lot of parts of the Bible that should be considered symbolically, rather than literally?
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