Here's an interesting NDE that I just read that ties in well with some of our discussions:

"On my way to a camping trip in the Smokey Mountains I had a severe front tire blow out. The car was going around a curve at the top of the mountain and the only barrier was a guard rail. This was the only thing between the vehicle and CERTAIN death. My best friend was in the passenger seat as I was driver. She is a devout catholic, I am not. Not even catholic. The blowout was loud and violent as we rounded the curve. I lost control of the vehicle immediately as we hit loose gravel. I knew this was it. The end. Certain death. I looked at my friend as she was busy w/the Hail Mary's and turned back to the road to see how many seconds I had left to live. I judged 2 maybe 3 at the most. As I looked at the edge of the mountain I was slammed out of my body. It was instant and it was real. The next thing I knew I was standing in what seemed to be a circular room with with MASSIVE movie screens at a complete 360. All time seemed to stop however my life review seemed to take mere seconds. Everything I had ever done, good or bad. Every one I had ever know no matter how important or trivial. All my life experiences played out in a matter of fleeting seconds. In my mind I heard or felt a voice. A Godly voice. A Holy voice. I felt the kindness and was explained to me that judgment of my life was up to me. There would be no retribution. I was responsible for my life as I was for my judgment of my life. I'd been up to that a point a pretty good soul. Never hurt anyone or anything, always trying to help, to be the best person I could be. The review was surprising as it was pleasant. I remember smiling during this review for the most part. It past so quickly but I felt all emotions as I had originally felt them only in light speed. It was almost like watching a movie on fast forward,
   As quickly as it had begun I was slammed back into my body. Time returned exactly where I stepped out. 3 seconds...2 seconds and then the most amazing thing happened. The car came to a complete stop. I couldn't understand. We were skidding on gravel. FAST. But it just stopped. I poured out of the car barely breathing on my hands & knees. I looked at the edge. The tires were less than 2 inches from the edge. Something stopped that car but it wasn't me." (www.nderf.org, "Traci P's Fear-Death Experience")

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

Baptism is ritual.  It is only as good as the meaning associated with it.  People who associate vain superstitutions to it are missing the point.  This is why babies are baptised. 

Although, for the most part, my sense is that baby christenings have become merely a ceremonial social tradition for the parents and grandparents.  A way for young parents to introduce their new child to the church congregation.

But ritual is important!  Yoga, Falun Gong, Baptism, Wudu ... they can all be called rituals.  These rituals are a reminder to your connection to spirit.

SPI-RITUAL

I say, turn your morning shower into a ritual.  Let the flowing water reinvigorate you.

Good points spooky...

I was wondering as well spooky; with regards to baptism and our previous discussions on the effects that thoughts/music/etc. have on the structure of water molecules. Do you think that it is possible that the idea of "blessing" water actually does have some measurable truth behind it. (i.e. if thoughts etc. actually do affect the structure of water molecules, does that lead one to believe that by "blessing" the water (positive thoughts) that it in fact does change the structure of the water molecule thereby creating some sort of measurable healing etc.?

Just a thought...

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

Hi Cosmic Ambitions, I really don't know, instead of an opinion of mine I'll tell you what I've just heard on the tv, that two people can take a bit of the same water with a pipette, then let some drops fall on a paper, let it dry, and when one looks at the remaining patterns it will look different according to which person had dropped it on the paper.
Spooky

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  For the most part i agree.

  But i would like to relate something about Baptism.

  My Mom was a fairly psychic person, and especially when she lived out in California for some reason or reasons.

  When i was baptized at a young age, she said during the middle of the ceremony, there was intense bright shaft of light that went into my forehead area (this light came out of nowhere she said).

   I don't think this is rare or i'm special, or anything like that, probably happens all the time, its just that my Mom was sensitized enough at the time to actually see it where most don't.

  She also saw a bunch of lights when i was born, and about 10 minutes after i was born one of these lights entered into the infants body.

  This is interesting cause it supports Edgar Cayce's info that the Soul doesn't always complete the personality right at first breath, which is when most astrologers erect a chart for a person.

  His Source said that while the Soul does often complete the personality at or near first breath, there can be hours (or more) difference.

  There is a really interesting book on Auras that i have by a English sensitive named Paul Lambillion who seems very much like the real deal to me, and he talks quite a bit how going to Church can be quite an amazing experience from an auric perspective, and he often sees what he calls Angels working there or noting a definite change in blessed (holy) water, etc.

  And he is not a traditional Christian, or doesn't consider himself religious though he very loves Christ's teachings.

Related to what Justin said, if you do a baptism with the right mind/heart set, It probably could make a difference. Certainly there are different ways of reaching out to God.

Hi thanks all of you for your replys.God bless juditha

Hi,
Elysiumfire wrote:
>>>nothing circumnavigates natural laws, only our understanding of them<<<
the critical point in this is we can never be sure that we have found already all "natural laws", and/or if those which we have found are correct. The weak point of natural science is that it has a history. But of course, it's useful. But it's not very probable in my view that the now established natural laws are the truth. (Of course they cannot be the entire truth as they are not dealing with important aspects our world, I mean nature sciences here)

Spooky