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juditha Ex Member	From darkness into light May 11^th, 2006 at 5:35pm Hi My brother is 49 yrs old now and he has never been baptized and ive had people tell me that he will stay in darkness always and never come into the light ,this worries me that when he dies he will not be able to move on. what do you think about this.God bless juditha
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Reply #1 - May 11^th, 2006 at 6:22pm

I doubt that a God who was powerful and wise enough to create everything, and is the source of all love, would really set things up that way. If a scripture states that this is so, then you might want to ask if the scripture actually represents the word of God.

Imagine the following: Your body dies, you cross over, go to heaven, and find out that heaven is way more wonderful than anything you could've imagined before you crossed over. The place is completely embraced with love, peace, joy, happiness, beauty, and God's presence.

Would it make sense for somebody to come up to you at such a time and give you some test to see if your heart is into what heaven is all about, or would it be quite obvious that your heart is into it, and your acceptance of heaven is way, way, way beyond an obedience/disobedience framework of mind?

Also, wouldn't fitting in with a heavenly existence be more of a matter of where your heart is and what your state of mind is, rather than whether or not you took part in some ritual, or believed in one specific doctrine, which isn't really all that specific, considering how people have interpretted it in so many ways.

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AH1976 Full Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 188 Midlands, UK Gender:	Re: From darkness into light Reply #2 - May 11^th, 2006 at 6:37pm As Bruce says in his books those who believe they will end up in hell etc will and those who believe they will go to heaven will. If your brother believes what is said then yes being baptised may make things easier for him, if he doesnt believe then he has nothing to worry about.
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Reply #3 - May 11^th, 2006 at 7:31pm

I'm not sure exactly that those who strongly "believe" that they will end up in heaven will... I say this when considering some of those radical martyrs who do such heinous ungodly things, and then expect to end up in some "heavenly" realm for their "heavenly" deeds. That would be "totally" irrational and illogical from ANY standpoint. And I'm also sure that if somebody led the most spiritual awe inspiring life, yet believed that they would end up in Hell... that they would neccessarily end up in Hell. Those kinds of ideas don't seem right to me, but maybe that's just me.

And one has to remember... "Heaven" and "Hell" are in the eyes of the beholder. What's heaven for you may not be heaven for me... What's hell for you may not be hell for me. (There are limits to this concept of course, but you get the general idea.)

As Bruce had replied to one of my threads... Beliefs are not the end all be all to where you end up in the afterlife... You've got to remember that there are guides/angels/helpers who are over there just "waiting/wanting" to help us. It's what they choose to do out of PUL.

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Since Love is the formula which has bound all of creation since the beginning of "time" ad infinitum, nothing can forever get lost in the vastness of this cosmos/reality that we find ourselves in... It's not to say that you won't get lost at times, it's to say that you won't get lost forever.

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Touching Souls Super Member Offline LOVE IS ALL, SHINE YOUR LIGHT THAT OTHERS MAY SEE Posts: 1966 Metaline Falls, WA Gender:	Re: From darkness into light Reply #4 - May 11^th, 2006 at 8:03pm This is one of the fallacies of organized religion. This is what turned me away from my church. Baptism has nothing to do with going to the Light. Love, Mairlyn
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Reply #6 - May 12^th, 2006 at 10:58am

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I'm not sure exactly that those who strongly "believe" that they will end up in heaven will... I say this when considering some of those radical martyrs who do such heinous ungodly things, and then expect to end up in some "heavenly" realm for their "heavenly" deeds. That would be "totally" unrational and illogical from ANY standpoint. And I'm also sure that if somebody led the most spiritual awe inspiring life, yet believed that they would end up in Hell... that they would neccessarily end up in Hell. Those kinds of ideas don't seem right to me, but maybe that's just me.

It doesn't seem right but I would say it is logical, one of the things that comes over very strong in most material about the afterlife is that we control our own afterlife existance assuming we understand that.

It occurs to me that its possible our knowledge of and communication with the afterlife is increasing because because organised religions memberships seem to be decreasing. People are no longer forced to go to heaven or hell (based on their judgement of themselves) but instead are free to decide their own fate. Thats just a thought i had.

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Reply #7 - May 12^th, 2006 at 11:41am

To me to be baptized means to allow the spirit of God to thrive in you. Doing so is more of a matter of allowing love and goodness to abide in you, rather than a matter of believing in religion A as opposed to religions B, C, D.....

Because we're all influenced to varying degrees by our conditioned minds while we're down here, it's hard to know whether one religion is more true than another. If it was easy to know which is more true, most of us would believe the same thing.

I don't believe it is expected that we will figure it all out while we're down here. What's important is to grow in love as best as we can, and when we get back to the spirit World we'll find out what it's really about.

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Reply #8 - May 12^th, 2006 at 3:06pm

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"It doesn't seem right but I would say it is logical, one of the things that comes over very strong in most material about the afterlife is that we control our own afterlife existance assuming we understand that."

This is semi-correct from my pov... I highly doubt that these terrorists who believe that they will be "highly prized" in the afterlife for killing people to get to a better heaven will be "flowing freely" within their "heavenly" virgin realms. In my opinion there will be some "major" self reflection and 20/20 hindsight being administered to said individual via helpers/guides/angels... After which they will be "guided" to a more appropriate place based on this reflection and their soul's vibrational/resonation level. As Bruce had described in one of his books regarding "Max's Hell", it was more like a place where Max resonated with beings he was drawn to those behaviors whilst physically alive. If say an extremist terrorist martyr whom believed he would get 70 odd virgins while in heaven for killing people, died while performing his/her "martyrdom"... I doubt that they would be in some luxuriously decorated room having 70 odd virgins catoring to their every whim ad infinitum. It's "more" likely that they would end up performing those most heinous activities that they chrished whilst in the physical with like minded individuals, until they realized via helpers or themselves how ridiculous and unproductive their actions truly are with respect to their soul's evolution. Hence "Max's Hell"... Max probably didn't mind it, but from "outsider's" perspectives it looked like a horrible Hell. In fact, Max was just doing what he had always done whilst alive in the physical. I really don't see any difference from Max's situation as opposed to say extremist terrorist martyrs.

This is just my pov.

(And again, there are guides/helpers/angels out "there" just waiting to help us no matter what situation arises.)

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Reply #9 - May 12^th, 2006 at 3:36pm

Doesn't that then imply that someone elses afterlife is enforced on us according to our actions? One thing I picked up in Bruces books is that not everybody goes to the same afterlife, like Max who ended up in his own hell, some catholics end up in catholic heaven, some christians end up in christian heaven, and your terrorist will end up in terrorist heaven with his virgins. What happens after they get there though is another matter and thats where your self reflection will start to occur.

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Reply #10 - May 13^th, 2006 at 12:16pm

Hi Thanks for all your replys,my brother has a very lovable nature inside him and he has made mistakes in his life ,hes been married twice and they have not worked out for him ,but he will like all of us whether hes been baptized or not find his way in the spirit world one day,i realise that now,that God loves us all and he knows we are not perfect. Love and God bless you all juditha

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Reply #11 - May 13^th, 2006 at 2:12pm

What I'm still unsure of senote, is that upon death, we go through our introspective "life-review"... I'm not sure why a soul could (would) choose, after viewing this immersive "life-review", to consequently go to a "Hell" so to speak... It kind of seems "weird" to me in a way. (i.e. To see how all of my actions thoughts have effected others/myself... and then continue to choose those actions/thoughts even after this introspection.) I'm still a little baffled by that one. But, it seems to happen from what I've gathered thus far.

I'm still trying to figure some of this out myself...

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Reply #12 - May 13^th, 2006 at 2:39pm

Hi CA,

That always puzzled me too. I've just finished reading a book "Holiday in the Afterlife" and something in there made me think that a person doesn't go through their life review until they've raised their vibration. So those in the hollow hells and hollow heavens wouldn't go through it until they're in focus 27. This makes more sense to me.

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Reply #13 - May 13^th, 2006 at 4:53pm

Along similar lines to what Marilyn said, I don't think people die and then, review or no review, *BAM* they're instantly englightened beings. I'd guess most of them would look back and see things more or less as they had seen them at the time. Then after time and development they might look at the same review and then begin to see the mistakes they made and a better way to have lived.

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Reply #14 - May 13^th, 2006 at 11:09pm

That's an interesting thought Mariyln. I can see what you're saying as well senote... I've just been wondering this because from the myriad NDE reports that I've read, I tend to get the notion that the life-review is pretty much standard. However, I can't say whether or not these "life-reviews" happen in focus 27, or wherever. It seems to me though, that people experience this life-review in the blink of an eye, and it is in fact an all ecompassing/engrossing experience that you don't walk away the "same" from. I just have read a lot of people's experiences that say that as soon as their "soul" left their physical body that they were traveling down a tunnel/vortex at which point they reach a "light" and it is usually at that point that they experience a sort of "self-reflection"/"life-review". However, I'm not fully sure at which "focus level" they are in when this happens. Does anybody know what focus level the "light" phenomenon resides in, or is it just the "entrance experience" had upon entering ALL focus levels regardless?

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