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saskia
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Dec 28th, 2004 at 12:43pm
 
Hi,
I'm pretty surprised that noone here mentioned the Asia quake that took place on Sunday http://www.cnn.com/ ...more than 33,000 people died, and the number is still growing..

I just wanted to share, my friends experience (one of the participants from the Warsaw, Poland course)..
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I visited Bruce.He was sitting in front of a computer. He had a notebook in his hands, the exact same one that I have on my shelf. He was saying something but I didn't understand anything.
I walked up to him and noticed that he had some new adresses. I thought that they were some new, interesting links, and I got Bruce's permission to look at them. I sat down on the floor and started writting down the adresses. Then something pulled me back to my body and I came back to the physical reality.

I didn't use the internet throughout the entire holidays, I just chilled.I don't watch TV, so I don't know what is happening in the world.
What shocked me is that the adresses that I wrote down were from; Sri Lanka. Philipines, India, Thailand, meladives, Birm..the entire south wester part of the Pacific..
I almost fell of my chair..30,000 dead..that's  10 more than in the WTC.
Now I know why I took part in the workshops, and know, like all of you do, what we should do now...I'm not suggesting anything, you already know.
Let's fill ourselves with love and meet by the cristal.
Believe me that you are well prepared.

all the best
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Reply #1 - Dec 28th, 2004 at 12:47pm
 
If you will just check down the board to Retrievals/Assistance Needed, you will see that I did post about it and have been doing retrievals ever since.  I am surprised too that not many have posted their experiences, but I am sure that many here are assisting.  Shocked

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Reply #2 - Dec 28th, 2004 at 1:10pm
 
I just can't believe this huge devastation.  The count is now at 44,000 but they expect it exceed 50,000.  I'm trying to comprehend how big this is...how big of rush of souls leaving the earth at once and the reason behind it.  I feel so incredibly saddened, and confused on why it happened.  So many sad stories and broken lives.  The pain those areas are feeling right now must be overwhelming.   Cry 

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Reply #3 - Dec 28th, 2004 at 1:11pm
 
I just want to say thank you for assisting the many people who have left the psyical so suddenly and all at once.  I had a realization this morning that many more will be leaving also in mass exit.  It seems some of us will be here to assist the living, and some to assist those that leave.  About a year ago I had a very intense remote veiwing experiance where I was  told that I could witness a "meeting", just this one time. I was floating above the meeting watching these "heads of state" planers.  Their entire mission was to decrease the population by 50%.  I was shocked.  When I read that the quake sounded like a loud bang I had to wonder what caused it.   I also wonder if these people who are passing have all chose to go at this time. Love and aloha to you all!
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Reply #4 - Dec 28th, 2004 at 2:04pm
 
Actually I think this is not the biggest mass exodus to date,and it doesn't even begin to cut the population down by 50% because the birth rate is so high.
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Reply #5 - Dec 28th, 2004 at 2:11pm
 
Well done Saskia,

I literally just signed in to write a post re the Earth Quake in Asia. It is indeed devastating and I feel nothing but sadness when I see it on the news. I was at work today and the front cover of the news paper was a couple holding the hand of their little one ... something which upset me greatly.

I just wanted to wish those who perished a quick and easy cross over so that they can be happy.

may they be at peace Cry
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Reply #6 - Dec 28th, 2004 at 4:23pm
 
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 I am surprised too that not many have posted their experiences, but I am sure that many here are assisting.  Shocked


So I'll start Wink
last night I retrieved some 200+ people..the helpers looked like marines, dressed in white..with a big smile on their face..they led all the people into a huge Titanic-like ships..
I didn't feel too many emotions..mostly numbnes...awaiting..I cried a lot during this, mainly because of all the love I was giving and receiving ..

A lot of us here, are there Wink

May they rest in peace
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Reply #7 - Dec 29th, 2004 at 12:50am
 
Good job Saskia. I know from other groups I'm in that many, many are doing retrievals/assisting in moving souls on.   Wink

With Love,
Mairlyn   Smiley
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Reply #8 - Dec 29th, 2004 at 3:28am
 
I think that after such a tragedy,the victims need most of all help and sympathy.Probably more than 100.000 people died.Im shocked that you are thinking of doing "retrivials" instead of sending covers of money to help them.
Who is asking you to do retrievials anyway? Don't you think that if people are stuck after their death,it is probably because THEY NEED IT TO SHED THEIR BELIEFS? Really,i don't understand.Im upset,many many people died and many others will die because of viruses.I suggest you to go on www.nytimes.com and you will find adresses when you can send something to help them.
Thanks for listening.
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Reply #9 - Dec 29th, 2004 at 4:07am
 
Axel,
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Im shocked that you are thinking of doing "retrivials" instead of sending covers of money to help them


When they are dead, money isn't really going to heip them is it?

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Who is asking you to do retrievials anyway? Don't you think that if people are stuck after their death,it is probably because THEY NEED IT TO SHED THEIR BELIEFS? Really,i don't understand.


Maybe you don't have to understand. I do. And I beleive that retrieving those 100,000 will do more good to the universe than sending my 10$.
So, before you criticize, maybe you should learn a bit about what the retrievals are really about and then judge. I think that if you'd knew the basics, you wouldn't be so shocked.
Who's asking?? They are asking.
So you send your $, and I keep on doing my retrievals. Thankfully we have free will on this planet.
thank you and all the best.
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Reply #10 - Dec 29th, 2004 at 4:30am
 
Why are you so angry?I was just pointing the fact that they need help in Asia.I personally don't believe that anyone asks u to do retrievials,or maybe you read it in books,but of course that is my opinion.It is the first time that i see someone getting angry just because i asked to help victims.
By the way,i don't have $ but euros,im not in the US... Wink
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Reply #11 - Dec 29th, 2004 at 5:01am
 
Axel,
I'm far from being angry..sorry if the tone seemed rough, but to me it's simply absurd to judge something you don't  know much about.
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maybe you read it in books

No, I know this from my 10 years of experience.

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It is the first time that i see someone getting angry just because i asked to help victims.

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shocked that you are thinking of doing "retrivials" instead of sending covers of money to help them.

So to me it's not, a simple JUST, it's more that you don't know what retrievals are all about, and propose something that is more familliar to you, but also, not in the nices way possible Wink

ps. I don't have $ and don't live in the US either..(as if it matters).

All the best
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Reply #12 - Dec 29th, 2004 at 6:32am
 
Believe me,i know what "retrivials' are.I have myself experiences,and i think that retrivials are useless.I also think that what you see "up there" is what you believe,but that is only my opinion.You don't need to be arrogant and say that i don't know anything about retrivials.Ten years of experiences,so what? I just think that more than 100.000 persons died and that it would be good to be respectful .I know by experiences that many people (im not talking about you at all,i don't know you) use such events on purpose, i.e to say "oh me i did that,and that,and i also did that".I'm not silly you know,i just try to find out what is true and what is not true. Wink
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Reply #13 - Dec 29th, 2004 at 8:15am
 
>Their entire mission was to decrease the population
>by 50%.

As hellish as I know that sounds, it doesn't really surprise me at all...if you think about it, when Australia was initially colonised by the Europeans, the population of the Aborigines was only half a million...Australia's population now is 20 million.

There are far too many people for the planet to be able to sustain long term...Even assuming we were able to find a high-yield renewable energy source, it would not mean that we could survive at the current level.

Also...in terms of Southeast Asia not going close to 50% of the population...My guess is that most of these sorts of things, if they are technologically induced (which is very possible) will happen in the Asian countries, because the birth rate/population level is highest there...Also because unfortunately most of the leaders of the industrialised world...the people owning the technology to do it...are normally terrible racists, as well.

So yeah...50k is not 50% of the population...but keep watching.  Even if it isn't being technologically induced, I was reading about the polar shift going on at the moment and what Edgar Cayce said about it only having to shift one degree to completely change the geography of the planet, almost beyond recognition.  If that were to happen, a LOT of people would die...Most of the prophecies I've read suggest that Southeast Asia, (the islands) northern Europe, (England, Scandinavia) California, and New York in particular are going to be completely wiped off the map...the population loss from that would be astronomical. 

Also, Axel...I don't think we really have much way of knowing one way or the other whether retrievals are definitely real, although some of the verifications have been interesting.  But be that as it may, I don't think it is at all appropriate to tell people that they're delusional...that isn't the case.  Don't just be respectful of the dead...be respectful of the living who deal with death in their own way.  I personally see retrieval as a practical element of a particular belief system...one which these days, I myself actually tentatively ascribe to at least certain elements of.  It's an expression of faith, and the way I know that is because doing it requires more courage than what I will admit I can muster so far.  Not only that...assuming hypothetically for a moment that it is real, then it is extremely useful as well.
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Reply #14 - Dec 29th, 2004 at 8:30am
 
I Highly Doubt any goverments are plotting to cut the worlds population by 50%

The tsunami had nothing to do with any goverment.

Theres enough space on earth for 100 billion people+ theres current 6 billion by 2100 it will be 10 billion, no need to panic, by the time it comes to over population we will be able to colonise other planets.

Most prophercies are jibble jobble, dont pay any attention to them, ive surivied 6 apoc's and im only 18, the future is unpredictable, or should be on earth, since we have "free will" therefore only trust it what happens and not what others say about things which are ment to be, or will come about if we dont change this/that and live as love atomitons.

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Reply #15 - Dec 29th, 2004 at 9:02am
 
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Believe me,i know what "retrivials' are.I have myself experiences,and i think that retrivials are useless.I also think that what you see "up there" is what you believe,but that is only my opinion.You don't need to be arrogant and say that i don't know anything about retrivials.Ten years of experiences,so what? I just think that more than 100.000 persons died and that it would be good to be respectful .I know by experiences that many people (im not talking about you at all,i don't know you) use such events on purpose, i.e to say "oh me i did that,and that,and i also did that".I'm not silly you know,i just try to find out what is true and what is not true. Wink


Interesting, that to you giving money not love is a sign of respectfulness.
I do this because, I feel that it's one of the very few things I can change in this world, not to impress anyone (who is there to impress anyways??Most think I'm wacko anyways Wink)
I'm not silly either, but unlike you I don't try to find out what's true or not. in my language there's a rhyme (it doesn't rhyme in english
Wink) A point of view, depend's from the angle you're sitting in your chair...
so, for me, yes, my truth is what I believe in, since we create our own reality anyways. I understand that you think otherwise, and I respect that. it's just suprising to me, that (especially) if you know abpout retrievals you propose money INSTEAD of any other help..
Fact is , I was planning my vacation in Thailand in 2 weeks ( my tickets were already brought), so imagine my shock when I found out about the quake. Beacuse of RESPECT, I will not go to fry on the beach, but i will do anything that I can to help. even if, in your eyes it's worth nothing...

lets maybe finnish this argument, because in a shadow of such tragedy, it's really pointless. What counts, is that both of us want to help.

No hard feelings seriously Wink
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Reply #16 - Dec 29th, 2004 at 9:51am
 
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I think that after such a tragedy,the victims need most of all help and sympathy.Probably more than 100.000 people died.Im shocked that you are thinking of doing "retrivials" instead of sending covers of money to help them.
Who is asking you to do retrievials anyway? Don't you think that if people are stuck after their death,it is probably because THEY NEED IT TO SHED THEIR BELIEFS? Really,i don't understand....


Hi Axel,

I believe that in death, just like in life, we get lost sometimes and need a helping hand to move on.  I met quite a few of those folks last night in my retrieval work.  And I hope that in my life and in my death, if I get stuck there will always be someone there to extend a loving and capapble hand to assist me.

I have had beliefs in this life that have crippled me and I have had many loving helpers who have extended their care and expertise to help me move out of the grip of those beliefs.  Their efforts have allowed me to move out of darkness that may have encompassed me for the entirety of this life and beyond.  I'm am eternally grateful that they came along to help even when I didn't know I needed it.

And I can't help but wonder what has brought you to a list that is devoted to understanding the afterlife and founded by a person who ascribes to the practice of retrieval.  You said in your post that you don't understand and perhaps that's why you've come.  Maybe your upset over retrievals is a part of you calling you to find out more.

You've come to a place with many capable and loving hands.

Peace,
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Reply #17 - Dec 29th, 2004 at 10:20am
 
Talk about a sad day right after the Holidays! You know what bothers me almost more than anything else....how so many can suffer, but because it more or less does not relate to you and where you are from (I'm in the U.S.), people seem to just say "oh how sad" and then go on like it was nothing. I have this uncanny connection to people's pain and suffering that affects me almost as if I was there in a sense, especially if I simply think about the situation while listening to music! I pray that once this is all over that those who have passed enjoy their NEW lives and those left on Earth appreciate their CURRENT life! God Bless their souls and may they rest in peace.

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Reply #18 - Dec 29th, 2004 at 10:48am
 
Saskia,im not arguing at all lol,giving money was just an example to help these poor people.
If you choose to give love,then that is your problem.You should show me though how you send or give love.
I just knew that after this tragedy i would find some people in different boards who would explain how they retrieved hundreds people in one day. Anyway that is true that i am upset because of what happened there,but you have your beliefs and i have mine.I didn't mean to offend you at all you know,you have the right to think that you can change the world and send love and that angels or anyone asks you to do retrievials.I have my opinions and i respect yours Wink
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Reply #19 - Dec 29th, 2004 at 10:59am
 
Thank you JG. we are all one living in one large house. we are all connected so of couse you feel the pain.  Since childhood I have dreamed many of these events that are called disasters. I used to fear, but Ive had so many visions and revalations on what is happening and why. Also how to go through this.  The events are no surprise, we need to read the signs befor they hit so we can transition properly.  walking around sad and depressed at this time will do NO ONE any good. Find away to see the positive, because there is a reason for this. I say this in love.
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Reply #20 - Dec 29th, 2004 at 12:01pm
 
Hi to all......

It might possible that Axel didn't express him self according to his real feeling, but I also align with his concern.

Many people in this and any other boards, share the beliefs that we choose to manifest in this dimension, but when comes to the disengagment, the beliefs change. That is something what comes from outside, other then the choice so it is become something what they need help with...

Also  - and I have many of verified first hand experiences with retrievals, in my understanding that getting stuck in the other belief's systems  not start *THERE*  but it is based on the belief system what they align with *HERE*

In my experiences, and understandings even though I *dealt* with retrieval in a mass event situation but on the one and one basic with some individual, my concern  what  makes the  assumption -even it is very *noble* and other then the maybe very conscious fabrications -and the decision,  that just becuse a huge amount of individual made their decision to disengage in this event they indeed need a service?

What is the assumption that a carpet load of people  need to be retrieved? They're lived in a different part of the world, they had total different religion, they have different belief's system, they view about disengagement don't matter how *dramatic* to  the rest of the western world,  the fact is that their beliefs are unknown to us.

Beside certainly in my view IF any of those individuals attention need to be directed to their *new* conditions,  plenty of non-physical essence are available to them.

After all thousands and thousands people disengage each and every day, some dramatic way, some not, and as we born/manifest alone, we disengage the same way don't matter how we objectively  see it as  a mass event...

I'm not expressing  that *retrieval* is not useful, what I'm expressing is that sometimes *reality check* is very much needed....

And if you ask yourself, who have *worst* condition, and probably will be for a long time, who decided to disengage, or keep continue to experiencing the trauma of the life itself, and left without home, without food, without nothing, especially when they didn't had much in a first place....

Compassion doesn't apply only to *afterlife* So when Axel theoretically  say send $ 10.00  I certainly agree with him...

Love,
Dora
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Reply #21 - Dec 29th, 2004 at 1:10pm
 
thanks for posting Dora, always get something from your input Cheesy and just wanted to add my 2 cents to Axel as he asked a question what use is retrieval so I would say this personally, that it is a personal way of dealing with the issue that physical life is temporary, so we are looking at people who actually go through life fixating on the death question, which as we know, many of us, perhaps the majority of the population give no thought to death until it is upon them in accident or illness or old age. I rarely set off to do retrievals anymore myself but I saw the benefit of doing one lately, the benefit to myself was needed as I see no actual value in the dollar bill, at least not as valuable as that of supplying a commodity of energy through the grid airways which I actually see as more substantial than the dollar as it provides energy to create the dollar, a loosh crop if you will, (Monroe) there are collectors, helpers, invisible or visible taking care of things. we can participate through personal choice.retrievers feel good to imagine others also feeling good. sometimes a retrieval is just letting others know they are not alone. a very simple thing and the dollar may be the symbol of hope so it is good also and so far 35 million is targeted for that from here. if I post here about a retrieval I might do I would hope along with others I'm sure that I am not judged that I am "lauding" my talents. that's not what it's about. I retrieve, when I retrieve, to make my own self stronger, I am only retrieving my own self in the end so make room on the board for shy retrievers Wink by non-judgment, we all have a say and I want to hear everyone's thoughts and journies as we are such a versatile bunch. we can make this so much easier for all of us during this shift by being kind and watching to see if we have anger about something inside of us, as it shows up in posts so easily unconsciously. I know, I've said things I wished I had clarifled. love to all Smiley
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Reply #22 - Dec 29th, 2004 at 1:24pm
 
Hi Dora!

Nice to see you on the new Board.  Your post really made me re-think the concept of retrievals.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think retrievals relate that much to belief systems.  To me, it's more of a service rendered by physically living people to those who experience a sudden and unexpected death, whether from natural disasters or from war or plane crashes.....the souls who suddenly die are disoriented and confused and need to be guided to Helpers.

The problem is, their vibrations are still more closely attuned to the earth plane and Helpers have difficulty in getting their attention.  A great book (Lighted Passage) written in the 1940s by a minister  describes what he called "rescue" work by helping dead soldiers cross over to the other side.  He said it was easier for him to get the soldiers' attention than the Helpers.

The real question I'd like to ask, however, is whether all of these people really DID choose to disengage at this time and in this way?  I know Seth said we choose how and when we will die, did Elias agree with that? 

When you see the agony on the faces of the survivors who have lost loved ones, especially children, you have to ask yourself why in the world would people choose to disengage in such a violent and sudden way?  Especially when it brings such emotional pain to loved ones left behind.

I'd love to have an answer to that question!

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Reply #23 - Dec 29th, 2004 at 3:09pm
 
ALysia

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Axel as he asked a question what use is retrieval


Much as I cannot speak on Axel behalf, his perception and understanding are individually his- but as I know him and interacting with him,  I understand his statement, what might be expressed in a way that retrieval is useless...

It is NOT about that those of us who did or do retrievals is useless, it is our choice to participate in that process and the benefit to US much as the disengaged personality -IF they choose to be retrieved-  Not me not you, not anyone can say that" OH I DECIDED THAT THIS OR THAT PERSON  OR 300 OR  500 PEOPLE NEED TO BE RETRIEVED WHATEVER THEY NEEDED OR NOT.

Again in my personal experiences, the retrieval is just as anything else based on agreement within consciousness and I would be totally arrogant to believe that I can interfere any indivudual natural process of their transition period if they not agree with it in of course subjective level. 

Again I'm not expressing that retrieval isn't real, or not beneficial to some -again I have been involved many of that process myself, what I'm expressing  and questioning that what assumption is the base that everyone who die in a group NEED a retrieval, or it is without merit, and only the expression of our own belief's what we fail to recognize?

Doesn't it seems to you like if you're a new person who just searching their own understandings about the *afterlife* and read about  this missions can think that gosh... if I die let say  suddenly then I'll need to wait for some handful people to *rescue* me, because I'll need all the help what I get???? I don't know that for me, is nothing but reinforcing the very strong fear from the death it self, without understanding the process, and that sure would scare me...   


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Reply #24 - Dec 29th, 2004 at 4:06pm
 
Hi Roger,

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think retrievals relate that much to belief systems.


Let me clarify that I cannot  say that you're wrong, that would be saying that my beliefs are the truth, and yours are not...I'm very well aware that long as I'm in physicality, I have beliefs what is true to me, but NOT the truth.  All I can say that in my understandings, perception, beliefs and experiences my personal truth is that retrieval is exactly related to our belief system....

In my understanding that we don't get *stuck* in afterlife, we getting *stuck* in this phsyciality and we carry over the beliefs that we thought that we knew the truth, and that's what we really have to deal with in non-physicality and realize  that we didn't.

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the souls who suddenly die are disoriented and confused and need to be guided to Helpers.


And may I ask why  exactly you think that this is the truth I'm not saying that it is not true to you, but it is the case with any *soul* and every  *soul* need to be guided?
Or is it possible that based on this beliefs you or the individuals who share your beliefs indeed will wait for that needed helper? But the same token many others start their transition periods, and become well aware that they have to deal with their own beliefs system, shed their beliefs, then without any trauma move to different areas of consciousness, according to their intent.

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I know Seth said we choose how and when we will die, did Elias agree with that?


Absolutely!

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When you see the agony on the faces of the survivors who have lost loved ones, especially children, you have to ask yourself why in the world would people choose to disengage in such a violent and sudden way?  Especially when it brings such emotional pain to loved ones left behind.


Roger, You keep thinking  objectively" Of course NOBODY waking up in monday morning and say themself , well it's monday morning, instead of going to work I'm  just going to die" it does not happening on the conscious objective  level... it is the choice of your  essence, it is the experience what you choose in this phsyicality, same way as your relatives choice to experience the loss... with  that I'm not saying that choice or not, the emotion and  suffering, are not real, very much so and I  don't minimize the compassion and emotion  what attached to this events, that is our personal integrity.

Again, based on the personal beliefs systems, and  the cultural ones, some culture celebrate the individual or group disengagement,  and accept as the *relocation* of the person or group  and not the *tragedy* so you could say that they're wrong?

If you would widening your awareness, and utilize you own subjective awareness, you would be able to connect your own focuses/different life times, different time periods, and probably you would find many many *tragic* death in your own, what might would help you understand your own self...  and your own beliefs...

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Reply #25 - Dec 29th, 2004 at 4:49pm
 
This was in the paper about the aftermath of the tsunami:

Q. What are the diseases most feared after this kind of disaster?

A. Typhoid is a major concern because the bacterium that causes it can spread easily in fetid water. Such water can also harbor cholera and hepatitis A. Authorities are also watching for outbreaks of malaria, a mosquito-borne disease. Conditions could be disastrously ripe for an outbreak of that viral illness: Refugees often will have neither the shelter of home nor netting that can prevent mosquitoes from reaching their human targets, and brackish standing water can be an ideal breeding ground for mosquitoes.



Maybe we should try some of that MC2 PK that Romain mentioned to help out the survivors. It may have been easier to die in the flood than to survive in its aftermath. what a strange drama to watch unfold.
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Reply #26 - Dec 29th, 2004 at 7:04pm
 
hi Dora,   i appreciate your continuing posts. Your point about setting up a frame-work where people need-to-be-saved, and that creating a belief of waiting for help from an outside source; that makes me think, it rings true... And I also appreciate Roger's point, where he says "(retrievals are) more of a service...to those who experience a sudden and unexpected death..." I believe you're right; most folk when they die don't need someone to "save them"; that might create a limitation. For a small percentage who die suddenly, I think death can be a confusing situation. Here is where the service of retrieval can be useful. In Tibetan Buddhism, it's in the case of a sudden or violent death, that especial assistance is given to the deceased. And the help isn't given in a spirit of the reciever being a "victim", but more in recognition/celebration of their own eternal nature... Most who die don't need our help. I think a few do...Maybe it's the intention with which the retrieval is done that needs thinking about... Thank you for your posts Dora. You've got my juices flowing.   This board is a wonderful place, eh?   Love, Tim
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Reply #27 - Dec 29th, 2004 at 8:48pm
 
Hi Tim,

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hi Dora,   i appreciate your continuing posts.


And I appreciate your comment...

I also appreciate Roger's comment, and as I expressed that I don't question the validity of the retrieval where is in agreement with both party and it is beneficial...

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And the help isn't given in a spirit of the receiver being a "victim", but more in recognition/celebration of their own eternal nature...


I certainly align with it, because again - in my understanding - as each of us is a highly individualized expression of the consciousness, with a very specific perception and beliefs in this physical dimension.  Each of us entering to the transition period and according to our own awareness  and beliefs,  complete the process,  where  we not just shedding our beliefs, but understand that the objective perception is unnecessary  in the non-physicality, and majority of us no need interference with the nature of the consciousness, which is action and becoming

That was the only thing I wanted to point out... again in my understandings, many of those individuals who made the decision to disengage in this event, very well could  of withdraw their body consciousness way before their body actually disengaged, therefore we physically living cannot  decide that who need to be dropped out somewhere and need help or not... in my view that is only  the  expression of  our own objective belief's that  something *suppose* to be a certain way, because we believe that is the truth

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Reply #28 - Dec 30th, 2004 at 4:33am
 
Hello everyone!Just a quick post to say that i did not seek to offend anyone about retrivials.As Dora said, i think that those who died in Asia chose to disengage and that if they chose it,then they did not need to be retrived, given that most of them need this process to shed their beliefs.
It is as if you were trying to scratch a kid's body to help him to grow...No,in my understanding,it is not working like this.
And i was upset when i heard that person saying that she had retrieved 200+ persons in one night...After such tragedies,i think it is important to respect victims and to remember that each one creates ones reality,without outter spiritual help. SmileyHow'ever,the survivors probably need a lot of material help now.

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Reply #29 - Dec 30th, 2004 at 10:39am
 
Here's a recent post by Suzy Ward that discusses the earthquake...
-Dan

December 30, 2004

S: Matthew dear, I’m ready to take your message—I’m sorry I couldn’t get here sooner.

MATTHEW: I understand why, and I thank you for coming now, dear soul. The shock and grief around the world about the loss of life and vast devastation due to the earthquake and tsunami is deeply touching all souls in Nirvana. We are beaming intensive love-light streamers to all who are suffering the intense pain of sorrow and destruction of their homes and towns. Life as they knew it ended with what they perceive as an incomprehensible tragedy. If they could know that their recently departed beloved people left purposefully to join with the myriad others here and beyond who are sending forth light to all of Earth, it could offer some small measure of comfort in these days of aftermath.

Because of my leadership of Nirvana’s soul transition service before entering my current travels, it was felt that with such additional numbers anticipated beyond the daily arrivals, my experience would be helpful. Therefore I returned here prior to this en mass arrival of souls and I can give a firsthand report on their reception. Many came in sound physical condition, and because their dying process was in an instant, no trauma occurred to accompany them psychically. Seeing family and friends who had long preceded many of them to Nirvana and the intensity of love that engulfs all, even with mild confusion as to the reason, they embraced this joyously. To prevent traumatizing these souls, the reason for their transition—that is, the fact of the earthquake and tidal wave, not their soul contracts—was revealed slowly and not as we witness it. Not unexpectedly, their joy turned to sadness by hearing about the massive devastation to the homelands and the grieving families they had left so recently. But the negativity of sorrow cannot last in the all-encompassing love energy in Nirvana, and their sad feelings were lifted by understanding that in leaving as they did, not only were they fulfilling their original or amended soul contracts, but they also are assisting Earth by adding to the light instead of contributing to the negativity on the planet.

Those who came with physical injuries entered stations where a lead medical assister and a team of ten ushered in the strength of the etheric body, which is closely tied to the physical body. Immediately treatment to enhance the etheric body’s strength began, and depending upon the severity of the physical injuries that determined the condition of the etheric body, these souls either have left the medical stations or are still in recovery with constant care by the vigilant medical assisters. The souls who have returned to full vigor have been reunited with family and friends and are receiving the same assistance as do all arrivals in sound condition, the reintroduction to this realm as their memories of other lifetimes here gradually emerge. They are choosing initial residences and settling in, and later they will become reacquainted with recreational, educational, travel and employment opportunities.


The far fewer people who prior to transitioning were acutely aware of what was happening on Earth and their psyches were correspondingly traumatized, entered Nirvana at stations where specially trained medical assisters instantly started the treatment that was customized to each individual’s needs. In cases where the physical body also was severely injured, first the medical teams stabilized and strengthened the etheric bodies and then these people entered the longer-term care stations for psychic healing. Mother, you remember from my detailed explanation in the first book that every person is greeted by name and his or her lifeprints are known prior to arrival, so personalized treatment is readied in advance; also the soul is liberated, so to speak, from the etheric body and psyche of the immediate past Earth lifetime, so the healing I’ve mentioned refers only to those bodies and the psyches that need it.

S: Yes, I remember, but it’s good to mention that here. Many family members died at the same time—have all of them been reunited?

MATTHEW: Family members who wish to be reunited have been, but those who desire to be with souls with whom the love bond is stronger are free to do that without resistance. Since the new arrivals are seeing again people with whom they’ve shared other lifetimes, these kinds of reunions also are common. New residents still in recuperation know which family members also are here and vice versa, and the same is true of the souls who entered the lower layers of this world.

Not all of those who departed Earth en masse entered the beauty, majesty and intense light in the upper layers of this multilayered realm. That vast numbers arrived suddenly due to one natural disaster does not alter the universal law that governs which part of Nirvana a soul will initially inhabit. The energy of thoughts, feelings, intentions and actions throughout the lifetime automatically draws the person to the part of Nirvana where the energy registration corresponds to that lifetime. But regardless of which part that is, whatever treatment may be needed for the etheric body or the psyche is immediately given at appropriate medical stations.

S: You know that I’ve received many requests for your comments about this overwhelming situation in Southeast Asia. Someone who wrote quoted from an Internet posting, that the quake "actually altered the axis of the earth's rotation" and "a big piece of the planet's mass has been moved around." Can you comment on that?

MATTHEW: I can’t give any definitive comment based on those fragments out of context, but I can say that that one event didn’t create a change in Earth’s rotation. However, it may have called attention to the orbiting changes that are occurring as the planet is ascending into lighter densities, and the interpretation is that the quake "altered the axis." Now, when tectonic plates move to the extent that a 9.0 quake like this results, indeed "a big piece of the planet’s mass" is affected, but if the article states or implies that it "has been moved around" to a different location on the seafloor, that is not correct.

S: OK, thank you. Most people who asked specific questions want to know if this was a manmade quake, and a couple of people forwarded an article proposing that "tall white" and/or "little grey" ETs may have used scalar beams to cause the quake so they could rescue the children and take them to locations off-planet, but they did it with good intentions. Is there any credence to that?

MATTHEW: None whatsoever! The only ET hand in this otherwise totally natural disaster was using their technology to neutralize the force of the quake and lessen the size, or height, of the tsunami, and thus reduce destruction and death toll. Without their help, hundreds of thousands of people would have perished, and this was not Earth’s intention. In my last message and in several prior to that, I mentioned that geophysical events would continue as the planet releases the kinetic energy resulting from millennia of accumulating negativity, and not long ago I stated in a message that before your planet is completely out of third density, millions of people will die. As much as I wished it were not necessary to pass on that kind of information, it IS necessary that you to know what to anticipate and to prepare spiritually.

The positive note here is that we are seeing unprecedented spiritual preparation in the aftermath of this titanic event. We understand that you regard this year as ending with a monumental tragedy, and I shall tell you how we are able to perceive it beyond that. We see the near-brilliance of light from what could be considered a global prayer for the souls who departed and for the survivors. We see people of all nations rushing to assist the people in the countries affected by the tidal wave and donations of every kind being amassed for relieving the dire straits of the injured and homeless. We see that color and ethnic and cultural barriers are crumbling in the wake of this international disaster. We see the opening of hearts in thanksgiving for blessings that have been taken for granted. These unified outpourings of feelings and assistance have created far more light than the amount of negativity created by the deep sorrow and shock.

S: Mash, do you want to say anything about what will be happening in 2005?

MATTHEW: Yes, Mother, I do, although I doubt that I can say much that will be surprising to people who have been reading my messages all along. Your next calendar year will be bringing the most profound changes in your recorded history of government and economic systems, along with the realization that you are receiving on and off-planet help from your space family. Climate, not only weather, changes will be undeniably evident, and environmental activism will be increasingly forceful. Newborns will have more DNA strands than their parents, increasing the numbers already there with what you could call stunning paranormal or extrasensory powers. Consciousness-raising will promote heartening cooperation, sharing and harmony starting within families and extending across international borders. The ever-intensifying light will continue to open telepathic connections and further magnify human traits—in simplest terms, the good will be better and the bad will be worse. Light-receptive people will experience physical and emotional symptoms related to the transformation of their cells from carbon to crystalline, a necessity for physically accompanying Earth into the higher vibrations where she is heading; also, by heeding their inner voice, these people will be motivated to make beneficial changes in attitudes, relationships, jobs, residences and spending. Those who choose to refuse the light—that is, ignore intuition and conscience or cling to their current greed, control, deceit or fear, will start to leave as the planet keeps ascending into the higher vibrations where their bodies cannot survive. Many souls will be leaving in accordance with their soul contracts, some by the geophysical upheavals and wars that will continue for a while longer.


Those are the major developments we foresee, but in short, 2005 will be a memorable time of transition from what you have been led to believe into what is universal reality. Those who stay steadfast in love-light energy will greet each change, even those that may be temporarily quite challenging, as another milestone of Earth’s travels toward the promised era of peace and harmony throughout all her lands. Myriad light beings, in body and in spirit, will be lovingly helping you all along this enlightening and exhilarating journey that will take you to your rightful place within our space family.

MATTHEW BOOKS   www.matthewbooks.com


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Reply #30 - Dec 30th, 2004 at 10:52am
 
"we physically living cannot  decide that who need to be dropped out somewhere and need help or not..."
     Dora,  this is a very good point. It's important how we formulate our intention in doing retrievals. I, a physically living being,  have no basis to decide who needs help or not and what form that help should take.  But if I formulate my intention in a way that gives the decision-making up to non-physical helpers,  that they determine who needs help, what the form should be; that seems to work well.  Or even a more open-ended way of formulating  the intention.... I am still enjoying your "food for thought" Dora, thank you, you're a good cook.  Love, Tim
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Reply #31 - Dec 30th, 2004 at 11:13am
 
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you and where you are from (I'm in the U.S.), people seem to just say "oh how sad" and then go on like it was nothing. I have this uncanny


There is a reason why we do this though, JG.  It is unspeakably tragic, as you say...but as I was saying to my mother just yesterday...I believe we are entering a time now where this type of incident is going to be occurring on at least a daily basis...If we were to allow all of it to affect us to the fullest possible extent, we would go insane...or at the very least, be constantly unhappy and fearful.  We cannot function like that.

As horrible as it all is, if we are going to get through it, we need to learn to a degree to be able to detach...because I do believe that there is a lot more where this and September 11th came from.  Yes it is important of course to help people where we can...but rather than always seeing it as the end, there is another way I am looking at this period lately.

I am looking at it in terms of the way one day transitions to another...There is twilight, there is evening, there is the deep black of night, and then there is the dawn of the new day.  To carry this analogy forward, we are about to experience midnight...that time when the world is at its very darkest, and the time of fear and isolation seems the greatest.  I do believe that in the next ten years the human spirit is going to be tested as never before in our history as a species...things are going to become very chaotic, very unstable, and very fearful...it's going to be rough.  This is the time I think when Jesus spoke of that two women would be working at a well...one would be taken, and the other left.

What he also said however was that if we manage somehow to resist the fear and the despair...if we hold fast to whatever faith we have...we'll come through it intact.  There are going to be more incidents like the one in Malaysia, and yes it is true that many, many, many people are going to pass over...I believe around 75% of the planet's current population, personally...and that is going to be extremely difficult to witness.  For a little while there is going to be darkness, confusion, and terrible pain...but only for a little while.  Remember the quote... "All these things too, will pass."

Look to the horizon...always to the horizon.

In time you will see the black lighten to grey, and the first rays of light creep over it.

(Some music that is good to listen to at times, if you've got eMule or another P2P program:-
Samwise The Brave, from The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers soundtrack.
Better Times, by The Black Sorrows
In Time, by Robbie Robb
Faith of the Heart, by Russell Watson
Hallelujah, by Rufus Wainwright...from the Shrek sountrack.)
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Reply #32 - Dec 30th, 2004 at 5:46pm
 
Dear Saskia (and Axel) ~

I think Axel was talking about sending money to the survivors...those left alive after this disaster.  They desperately need healthy water, food, shelter, etc.  Also, I think that he was asking how we know which of the victims (dead) need retrieving, and which do not.  Clearly not everyone who dies needs retrieving.  Axel -- was this your point?  Just wanted to help clear up any confusion.  Smiley

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Reply #33 - Dec 30th, 2004 at 9:44pm
 
Yes, I'd have to agree with the sentiments that it is easy to be shocked by the death toll and rush to "help" those who have died ---

....all the while, completely forgetting that as many may die from disease in the coming weeks. When we hear, in a month, that a quarter million people have died - due to typhoid, dysentery, cholera - Well -

I'm going to give my ten dollars. And post this, in the hope that a few others will, too.

(And there's no reason you can't do both.)

Relief for the survivors - we are being called right now to help our living brothers and sisters. And I don't think I fully realized that til this minute.

Patty

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Reply #34 - Dec 30th, 2004 at 10:13pm
 
This event gave me a nightmare last night:

I was at the beach with my family watching the ocean and down inside new that we should not be here.  In the distance, I hear this roaring sound like a stampeed of wild horses and see this huge tsunami rushing towards us.  My family jumps into the car, almost leaving without me, and we get out of danger zone just in time.  I get a date and place in my mind, September "26", California.

But that is not all...

I'm in my house now, (like I'm another person) and the tsunami tears it down with me in it...

This dream seems provoked by hearing of the increasing deathtoll day by day.  It was like I was feeling the fear of everyone who was in the path of the wave all at once.  The fear had a sadness to it too.

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Reply #35 - Dec 31st, 2004 at 12:30am
 
I've had several dreams over the past 3 years of huge floods, tsunamis, etc. but I've always made it out alive (I think). Now I'm wondering if they were of things to come.  Shocked

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Reply #36 - Dec 31st, 2004 at 3:09am
 
Yes Sydnei,that is absolutly what i meant.Survivors need a lot of material help.And about the deads,that is obvious that it is hard to find out who need retrivials or not,given that they had totally different religions,traditions,and i still believe that this process of "shedding beliefs" is necessary,that is why i said that most of the time,i didn't agree with "retrieviers".But if someone asks for help,then it is different...But i am convinced that they have all the help they need once they ask...but i don't think they would ask people like you and me,who are still alive. Wink
By the way Patty,no,i never went on the astral pulse board!
Happy new year everyone! Smiley
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Reply #37 - Jan 3rd, 2005 at 3:43pm
 
All the arguing and opinions aside, I thought I'd post my experience....I'm a member of TMI's Dolphin Energy Club, and I had a post card asking me to do work for a person. During the DEC tape you work with your dolphin to help heal the person.
When the tape was over, something happened; I saw a woman suspended underwater, and my dolphin went over to her, and helped her to the surface. I think my dolphin did quite a bit... people like and trust dolphins, and what better way to do a retrieval of a drowned person?
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Reply #38 - Jan 3rd, 2005 at 4:09pm
 
For what it's worth, given that this is a historic event, I am surprised that it was not predicted by the new age channellers.  At least none that I know of.  If something of this magnitude was going to occur, you would have expected it to circle around with a buzz the week prior to it happening.  The only occurrence I know of is from a little girl, the daughter of a friend of mine.  She had horrible nightmares a couple days prior to the event and told her mother who told me.  She said the daughter was having these nightmares of earthquakes and saw a huge wall of water and all these people drowning.  (I used to have similar dreams when I was younger and they always happened within a couple days afterwards).  Well, sure enough, it happened. 

Does this mean that some of these channellers are illegitimate?  I wonder.  Maybe it means that the youth have not been as corrupted into disbelieving their dream-time experiences!!  Has anyone read or seen anything prior to the event which would validate prior knowledge of the event?  Any remote viewing which occurred that can be confirmed? (I'm not talking about the I AM maps and stuff from several years ago, but maybe more recent stuff).

In the meantime, I'm sticking with the 8 year old kid.  You can bet your bottom dollar I'll be paying attention to this little prescient person.
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Reply #39 - Jan 3rd, 2005 at 5:13pm
 
Illegitimate? Nah..more likely, not paying attention.  I often "see" signs, not on a global scale such as that, but in a personal way that I dismiss.

Now, to this event, I wasn't even physically/here/now aware of it until several days after.  Part of it was due to illness.  Lost a whole day in there.  Part of it was to simply not "paying attention".

Another example of not paying attention to hints and signs that something is coming would be this morning.  I was happily sewing at my machine in front of the window for a couple of hours.  I was totally taken by surprise when it began pouring rain.  As I look back to just before the rain, I can recall seeing the dark clouds gather, but paid no attention to them, hence my surprise at the rain.

I am by no means a channeler..nor am I psychic on such a global scale.

Perhaps this event was not to be known..outside of a young child..and her mother..
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Reply #40 - Jan 4th, 2005 at 10:55am
 
way up on this discussion thread i hear people discuss if retrievals are really needed..or is it perhaps money that we should ait them with?

Perhaps retrievals are just another way of sharing human affection with other people. I too sometimes i think that from a larger point of perspective no retrievals could be needed and everybody must be already safe and sound where they should be.
But i just dont feel it. and I just dont know it. I just THINK so. Thats why perhaps the retrievals are a need for me?
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Perhaps retrievals are just another way of sharing human affection with other people. I too sometimes i think that from a larger point of perspective no retrievals could be needed and everybody must be already safe and sound where they should be.
But i just dont feel it. and I just dont know it. I just THINK so. Thats why perhaps the retrievals are a need for me? [/quote]
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well said. we can only speak personally here, and speaking that way retrievals were a way for me to make my connections with all peoples and life circumstances. I did it for me. I did it for the heart chakra opening, for compassion. Nobody "needs" me yet we all want to be needed, we want to connect. I'm reclusive by nature, a shut in by choice. imagine the astonishment when I started flying about in another world, first through the imagination, then making those connections and receiving verification physically and mentally that I was so much more than I thought I could ever be and I could take some grief and turn it into laughter just by a kind word or a jolly dance. everything begins to look like a retrieval after awhile, a return to who we really are. love, alysia Grin
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