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Will we be alive for eternity?
Feb 12th, 2006 at 9:42am
 
I've read so many websites and books about psychics, spirits, the afterlife/astral world, ect, and in addition to my own spirit (astral projection) experiences, it seems we will be alive for eternity (I'm not joking). What I mean by that is, if people view physical 'death' as an unconscious sleep (no dreams/lucid dreams, ect), then they are probably wrong (no offense). Anything that can dream really probably has an astral body (spirit) and just goes to the astral spirit world and learns spirit growth there in the spirit world after physical death.

I told my dad about my astral projections (out-of-body) experiences when falling asleep in bed. I told him how I'd see our families' starry astral bodies standing up dreaming while I'm astral projected. I also told him "it must be odd knowing you had sex with mom, your sperm went into her stomach, the sperm grew bigger, and out popped me nine months later and knowing that I have a starry spirit that goes out-of-body." Even though my family is Christian, my dad really started believed in the spirit world after hearing me talk about going out-of-body and astral projecting.

I just find it odd how we don't remember being in the astral/spirit world before incarnating on the earth, even though I've seen it with my own astral eyes at least twice. How could we just forget the spirit world like that? Your opinions?

Anyway, do you think we will be alive for eternity? Thanks.
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Reply #1 - Feb 12th, 2006 at 9:56am
 
Ryan,

For those who believe in reincarnation, they see you as voluntarily constricting your awareness and memories in order to start from scratch and learn.  Bruce has an excellent free article about this on this website.  If you go this route, in reality, you are "fooling yourself" into thinking that you are brand new, eventhough you are not.  I find this concept a bit bizarre, as I think our memories are integral to true knowledge and making us who we are.  The idea that prior lives are then magically reintegrated and you suddenly remember them after you die seems quite odd and not so reassuring.

As for living unto eternity, hmmmm.......it is said the spirit world does not know linnear time.  If so, we won't be watching the clock.  As long as we have passions, curiousity, love and wish to know more, we may continue our existence.


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Reply #2 - Feb 12th, 2006 at 10:59am
 
hi ryan at the spiritualist church were i go the medium there said that when we are conceived our memory is erased so we dont remember when we come into the physical world.The medium also said we have a choice in the spirit world to reincarnate  he also said that dieing is just going back home to the spirit world He also said that we choose our life before we are born s o if our spirit did not progress as much as it should have done then we can reincarnate if we want to for our spirit to progress even more but it is our choice  we dont have to.And he said it is for eternity in the spirit world.God bless juditha
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Reply #3 - Feb 12th, 2006 at 12:30pm
 
Nothing Last's Forever.

But energy is indestructable, only changeable.

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Reply #4 - Feb 12th, 2006 at 12:55pm
 
Hi Ryan,

My perspective on this question at the present time is that we do indeed exist in eternity multidimensionally right now.  I don't believe we are confined to our earthly bodies and I believe we visit each other and know each other in a multidimensional way.  

At this time I am in a new relationship with someone that I am convinced that I was able to draw toward me through focused meditation and this relationship is spiritually challenging and fulfilling in the exact measure that I have wanted for 25 years on an incredibly exacting level, and the relationship also completes our individual "destinies" in a way that I previously believed was not possible.  This person had been out of my life for 20-25 years and although we lived, unknown to us, 2 blocks away and worked 3 blocks away from each other (!!!!) we never ran into each other but once 3-4 years ago and didn't speak.  This person contacted ME...I did not contact him.  Our connection grows stronger daily and is the one I would choose as the most meaningful that could have occurred.  

But you see, in my meditations I focused only on what my higher power would choose FOR me.  I knew I wanted relationship, but over time gave up on specific ideas on how this would occur.  Then, what is perfect IN ITS IMPERFECTION (because I am not a "fairytale" kind of person), was manifested.

The power that we each have to reach into this eternal "arena" is nothing short of amazing.  Each of us can access it through meditative states, dreams, and even our own hopes and wishes.  What we think about directly influences the eternal realm in my opinion.  

Through my own direct experiences I believe that it has to follow that the more that we each focus on love, peace, joy, happiness, and understanding each other, the better influence we have on ALL, which we are part of.

love, blink
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Reply #5 - Feb 12th, 2006 at 1:01pm
 
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Anyway, do you think we will be alive for eternity? Thanks.


YES! We are in eternity, have always been in eternity and will always be in eternity. We are eternal beings. Wink

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Reply #6 - Feb 12th, 2006 at 1:03pm
 
The body dies but not the spirit ,the spirit lives forever until eternity ,when we die the spirit leaves the earth body and returns home to the spirit world to be with god and jesus and their loved ones who have gone before them and yes you do have a choice to be reincarnated if you want to or you can stay in the spirit world ,heaven is a beautiful place there is no day or night ,you live in a perpetual light and the spirit dosent need to sleep or eat but it can if it wants to, its all your own choice in heaven and you can still enjoy the earthly things you enjoyed you just have to imagine it in your mind and it will appear ,like if you enjoyed a f*g you can have one or a drink or anything you enjoyed on the earth plain , it truly is paradise . DEANNA
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Reply #7 - Feb 12th, 2006 at 1:10pm
 
 Ryan, well i have consulted the 'highest' source possible on this, and i will give you its answer....

....
Magic 8 ball
says.... Probably.

 There you go, wisdom from as above. Wink
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Reply #8 - Feb 12th, 2006 at 3:05pm
 
put it this way

we are in a win win situation.  When we die two things could happen:

1) We cease to exist

2) We will live on in some other form or dimension

if 1 is true then we wont exist so how will it matter, besides 1 is higly pointless and does not fit into evolution or billions of peoples beliefs.
We woulod also cease to exist so what does it matter  Smiley
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Reply #9 - Feb 12th, 2006 at 8:45pm
 
Eternity is a LONG time you know...
Even if our potential existence is open-ended,
I think there would come a time when you'd
seen everything you wanted to see, and done
everything you wanted to do. For some, that
might be one lifetime, for others a million
years...
But I think there would come a time when you
became so tired... so jaded... so full of ennui,
that you chose to "go to sleep" and never
wake up.
What then?
Perhaps a new "subjective point of consciousness"
might come into existence (from a solipsistic point
of view.)
So - are we OURSELVES forever? Will my "I" point be  "Chumley/B-man" FOREVER? I doubt it. In fact, if "I" do have a "future existence", I think it is likely to have no connection to the "experiential sequence" known as "Chumley/B-man" at all.
But as for the continuity of subjective experience (aka "qualia") - i.e., one's "I-point", the state of being a subjective experiencer? I think the jury's still out on that one, and that it is a distinct possibility. In the absence of a subjective "I"-point there is a VACUUM, so to speak - and we know how Nature feels about vacuums...

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"Win/Win situation - you SURE about that..?
Reply #10 - Feb 12th, 2006 at 8:56pm
 
put it this way

we are in a win win situation.  When we die two things could happen:

1) We cease to exist

2) We will live on in some other form or dimension
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What if we ALL go to a place of torture when we die, Jambo?
There have been cultures (some of the most ancient ones, btw) who believe that EVERYBODY, good or bad, goes to "Hell" when they die. (e.g. the ancient Sumerians, who believed everyone went to a cold, dusty, dark, filthy place known as "Nergal" where they ate mud and tittered like birds. And the Greeks had their "Hades" which was very similar, and there's other examples as well.)
So I'd be reluctant to call it a "win/win" situation (absent better evidence...)

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Reply #11 - Feb 12th, 2006 at 11:42pm
 
B-man,

Give the dark Hades stuff a break for now....in order to believe it was our fate, you'd have to dismiss all the communication we've had with the afterlife.  From mediums, to NDEs, to astral explorers, to EVP even.  So, if it were as gloomy as all that, the preponderance of evidence would not point in the opposite direction.

Put on a happy face

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Reply #12 - Feb 13th, 2006 at 3:15am
 
B-man,

Give the dark Hades stuff a break for now....in order to believe it was our fate, you'd have to dismiss all the communication we've had with the afterlife.  From mediums, to NDEs, to astral explorers, to EVP even.  So, if it were as gloomy as all that, the preponderance of evidence would not point in the opposite direction.

Put on a happy face

M-man
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Not to worry, Doc...
I'm NOT saying Hades is for real, or that we're all
going to Hell.
But, I have sworn myself in committed opposition to faith-based thinking of any kind.
When you forbid yourself from faith-based thinking, all kinds of possibilities occur - including BAD ones. Comes with the territory...
And the fact is, the "evidence" for the afterlife is TERRIBLE at this point in history. It is spotty, inconsistent, often self-contradictory and still requires a good-sized dollop of... FAITH (ugh.)
Until I get some good personal evidence, or better yet - major SCIENTIFIC evidence (preferably published in a major, peer-reviewed scientific journal) I will be skeptical about it. And all the lucid dreams in the world (especially those of others, I don't trust anecdotes) aren't going to change that. I need evidence that can't be neatly disposed of by mechanistic-materialistic explanations, and so far I've seen none of that.
Yours against Blind Faith,

B-man

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Reply #13 - Feb 13th, 2006 at 10:06am
 
Hmmmm........and B-man,

Think about this: what you see, hear, feel and touch comes to you from your senses.  How do you know your waking reality is real?  Silly, you say?  Our consciousness is real to us, our data and yes even science is derived from interpretation of sensory data that we believe to be infallible.  We have to or we'd go insane.  But really, science is merely based on reproducible evidence from our five senses after we all observe an experiment and agree on the terms. 

I forgot which scientist it was, if it was Bohrs, who said "at last we have a paradox!  now we may finally learn something!"  So, in essence you think the evidence for the afterlife is awful because our five senses don't usually connect to it, and reproducible studies thus far are few and far between.  Would not one verified contact, one transmittal of information from the other side be enough to convince you?  Yes, this is where faith comes in, and yet the articial construct of your senses (science) is no more valid then any other system that interacts with our conscious awareness.  We merely take comfort in the reproducibility of it - that varying conscious people can agree on the outcome of controlled sensory experiments. 

The laws of quantum physics show us a universe in flux.  A universe where one electron may not be in one place at one time.  Particles coming in and out of existence as they collide.  Yet you feel that science is pure and scientific facts are immutable. 

Maybe a little faith after some sensory evidence is not such a bad thing...

Matthew
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Reply #14 - Feb 13th, 2006 at 10:19am
 
I believe Marilyn is correct (above).

We have to abandon our physical way of thinking about time - a man made concept after all. In the Afterlife we are told time does not exist so, surely, eternity has no meaning and cannot exist for those in spirit.

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