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Re: Will we be alive for eternity?
Reply #15 - Feb 13^th, 2006 at 2:27pm

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I believe Marilyn is correct (above).

We have to abandon our physical way of thinking about time - a man made concept after all. In the Afterlife we are told time does not exist so, surely, eternity has no meaning and cannot exist for those in spirit.

roger

Time exist's, wether your dead, fred or bread.

The earth will eventually die, horribly when the sun goes nova.
Time may be slower/faster. But it will still be there.
Time will most likely be based upon thought, how many thoughts ago was something, etc.
Time exists for everyone/everything. Nothing lasts forever.
But as i said, Energy is indestructable, only changable.

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RyanParis Full Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 191 San Francisco, USA Gender:	Re: Will we be alive for eternity? Reply #16 - Feb 13^th, 2006 at 3:10pm Quote: Energy is indestructable, only changable. That's another reason I think we will be alive for eternity, in one form or another. Rather it's physical or astral form... only God knows.
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Reply #17 - Feb 13^th, 2006 at 3:11pm

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hi ryan at the spiritualist church were i go the medium there said that when we are conceived our memory is erased so we dont remember when we come into the physical world.The medium also said we have a choice in the spirit world to reincarnate he also said that dieing is just going back home to the spirit world He also said that we choose our life before we are born s o if our spirit did not progress as much as it should have done then we can reincarnate if we want to for our spirit to progress even more but it is our choice we dont have to.And he said it is for eternity in the spirit world.God bless juditha

That's what I believe too.

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Reply #18 - Feb 13^th, 2006 at 3:36pm

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I believe Marilyn is correct (above).

We have to abandon our physical way of thinking about time - a man made concept after all. In the Afterlife we are told time does not exist so, surely, eternity has no meaning and cannot exist for those in spirit.

roger

So, I must agree with both Roger and Marilyn. I don't think eternity is a "long time" either. In fact, it's not a time at all, if it were, it wouldn't be eternity, as it would be finite. I don't think we can escape existing for eternity even if we wanted to because we are part of the fabric of the universe, which is going to exist whether we want it to or not, enjoy it or not, care or not. If the universe were to end, maybe we'd end. I also don't think there's any way to come to a point where we'd think we'd done and seen everything, because that presumption suffers the same limits as eternity being "a long time," in that it represents a finite set of something, which doesn't seem possible in the infinite.

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Re: Will we be alive for eternity?
Reply #19 - Feb 13^th, 2006 at 3:59pm

Yeah, I can't comprehend how someone comes to the conclusion you'd eventually get bored from an eternal existence.

Don't these people remember their dreams?

In dreams, your memory is often butchered, even completely changed into a completely different one, and you're often completely content with the character role you're playing, not having the slightest clue what's really going on or who you really are..

..and so very often, you expereinece feelings of wonder and other various emotions at levels so much deeper than what you may experience awake, it's hard to compare them to anything here.

Dreaming, alone, is enough to keep anyone content for all eternity, IMO.

If you can dream while incarnate, why not disincarnate, where you supposedly have even more freedom for things like that?

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Re: Will we be alive for eternity?
Reply #20 - Feb 14^th, 2006 at 1:46am

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Yeah, I can't comprehend how someone comes to the conclusion you'd eventually get bored from an eternal existence.

Don't these people remember their dreams?

In dreams, your memory is often butchered, even completely changed into a completely different one, and you're often completely content with the character role you're playing, not having the slightest clue what's really going on or who you really are..

..and so very often, you expereinece feelings of wonder and other various emotions at levels so much deeper than what you may experience awake, it's hard to compare them to anything here.

Dreaming, alone, is enough to keep anyone content for all eternity, IMO.

If you can dream while incarnate, why not disincarnate, where you supposedly have even more freedom for things like that?

Well, according to most psychics, when you die you lucid (conscious) dream with other conscious spirits in the spirit world/Astral world.

I suppose spirits might get tired of lucid dreaming in the spirit world/Astral world, and go back to the Earth plane to learn more lessons and become a perfected spirit, or go to higher astral planes.

The evolution of the spirit is probably eternal. You'll probably remember it to be eternal once going home to the spirit world/Astral world. One psychic dude I was reading about on the web, said that your life on the Astral plane can last several hundereds of thousands of years in Earth time, but time doesn't exist in the spirit world. The universe is controlled completely by the spirit world.

Learn more here:

www.spiritual.com.au/astral.html

www.spiritual.com.au/articles/astral/astralp1_rbruce.htm#2

www.spiritual.com.au/articles/astral/astralp2_rbruce.htm#9

www.spiritual.com.au/articles/astral/astralp1_rbruce.htm#11

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Reply #21 - Feb 14^th, 2006 at 10:11am

Hi .. seeing the Astral World is being mentioned .. I'd like to post the following and welcome comments ...

Understanding the Astral World

The realm above, next to and around our visible world is the Astral realm. The Astral realm should be viewed as an initiation station, a gateway.

The Astral is a realm where desires, passions, feelings, wishes, sensations, blind instincts, fantasies and lust take on myriads of forms and shapes.

Here supersensible beings higher and lower than man can assume shape and form; some entice and deceive him, others to communicate with him. Here also are mankinds individual and collective hates, passions, wishes etc that take shape and form.

In addition, all the soul qualities concentrated in the various animal species have their group souls in the Astral world. For instance, the quality of cattiness that embraces all cats, the tigerishness in all tigers, the rattiness of rats, the foxiness of all foxes etc.

One can also encounter astral forms representing qualities of supersensible beings which never incarnate on earth. .

What a diversity of shapes of forms all these beings can assume. How hideous some of these can be sensed from descriptions of nightmares, childhood dreams and feverish experiences.

In the Astral world forces of sympathy and antipathy are dominant.
Each mans own inner nature attracts to himself those beings of a similar nature to this own. Antipathy repels to unlike him.

Self-knowledge therefore, is essential before entering the Astral world, because ones own desires and passions confront him in animal or more seldom, in human form. Even the conditions of ones physical organs are spread our before him and take a dramatic animal form. Delusion results for the unprepared and unsuspecting.

Into this world is the medium, the drugged and the hypnotised cast. The dangers of deception are present every moment and he who enters the astral world unprepared and uninformed of its nature will therefore bring back unreliable information and fantasy.

The human being has a supersensible 'double' which takes of his own inner nature and ones own inner nature may take on shapes so horrible and frightening.

One may call our 'double' in the Astral world as 'The Dweller of the Threshold'. It is he himself in his unpurified inner nature that thus confronts him.

This is the key, the gateway, to raise our sentinent soul to the level of Spirit-Self.

Man needs a high degree of moral development, self knowledge and courage in order to enter the higher worlds safely. With this man gains freedom as an individual ego distinct from his former state of being just a member of a family, a tribe or nation.

If man continued to see higher super human beings whom he considered to be heroes, gods and goddesses he could not become free.

extract taken from 'outline of esoteric science' rudolf steiner

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