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Reply #105 - Apr 11th, 2006 at 8:06pm
 
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Assuming we have souls, and that we willingly insert ourselves into this reality, we play the game of pain, suffering along with ecstasy and joy, not knowing that it is a game.  It then teaches us about the transient nature of everything except love. 

Matthew [/quote]

At this time of year we all enjoy spring's flowers, and yet they fade and die and are swept away, but we recall their beauty with love.  After a time, they
reappear to delight us again.  Perhaps they serve
as a visual reminder of this life's transitory path.

It is also possible, in a like manner, we will love and treasure our loved ones who are temporary removed from us even more when, once again, we are reunited.
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Reply #106 - Apr 12th, 2006 at 10:12pm
 
Craig,

I've shared many of my paranormal experiences, but you have probably not read about one of my experiences of divine guidance that continues to be a special source of encouragement for me. I share it now in the hope that you will become aware of what's possible for your own quest.  One powerful mystical experience can do more for one's faith than even the best rational arguments.

It was summer and I had just taught a graduate course in the first of two summer sessions.  I was now intellectually burned out and really felt the need for a vacation.  But that Friday, I suddenly became obsessed with a macabre thought: someone was going to die unexpectedly and that death would affect my life!   I tried in vain to clarify this premonition, but I was merely left with this insistent question: "Are you will to give up your summer as a result of this death?"    I tried in vain to suppress this depressing thought.  By Sunday I was worried that one of my parents might die.  When Monday morning arrived, I decided to suppress these depressing thoughts and begin my vacation.   First, I decided to go out for breakfast.

But the moment I reached the door of my apartment, an inner voice issued this order: "SIT DOWN!  YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT THE DEATH NOW!" Startled, I sat down on the couch near the door.  The nearby phone immediately rang.  It was the panicky voice of the the Director of our Graduate Studies program.   She explained, "Don, Father Cassian Corcoran was supposed to teach a graduate course on St .Paul, but he didn't show up for his first class.  The students assumed he had forgotten about the time.  So they went over to his room in the friary.  Cassian was found dead in bed!  you're the only professor around trained to teach that course.   Will you do it?"   I had been primed all weekend to say "Yes" and did so.

God knew that Cassian's time was up and wanted me to teach that course.  I'm convinced that the relentless inner voice was that of an angel or perhaps a discarnate Christian.  if I had left my apartment that Monday morning, the course might have been cancelled.  The inner voice prevented that with perfect timing.   I would never claim that God was endorsing everything I taught, but I took this experience as a sign that God at least thought I had some worthwhile points to teach.  That is one reason why I've presented some of these theological insights on this thread.

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Reply #107 - Mar 27th, 2007 at 11:01pm
 
[Vikingsgal:] "At this time of year we all enjoy spring's flowers, and yet they fade and die and are swept away, but we recall their beauty with love.  After a time, they reappear to delight us again.  Perhaps they serve as a visual reminder of this life's transitory path.  It is also possible, in a like manner, we will love and treasure our loved ones who are temporary removed from us EVEN MORE when, once again, we are reunited."
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True!  The same principle can be applied to our experience of "the dark night of the soul," a long experience of God's "absence" that is so movingly championed by Catholic mystics like John of the Cross.  The biblical equivalent of these spiritually "dry" periods is appropriately a poetic understanding of the "wilderness" experience.   The prolonged "absence" of God in the "dark night" experience performs two functions: (1) It forces the soul to establish clearer spiritual priorities and to integrate past spiritual lessons more deeply within their core perosnality.  (2) It deepens the longing of the frustrated seeker who recalls earlier times of intimate communion with God.  What the seeker forgets is that a deeper intimacy is facilitated not by mental assent to a set of beliefs about God, but by the purity of that longing fueled the frustration of a long sense of "absence."  The seeker is often oblivous to this paradox: God is never closer to him than in this painful sense "absence."   

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Reply #108 - Mar 27th, 2007 at 11:39pm
 
Berserk wrote on Mar 27th, 2007 at 11:01pm:
True!  The same principle can be applied to our experience of "the dark night of the soul," a long experience of God's "absence" that is so movingly championed by Catholic mystics like John of the Cross.  The biblical equivalent of these spiritually "dry" periods is appropriately a poetic understanding of the "wilderness" experience.   The prolonged "absence" of God in the "dark night" experience performs two functions: (1) It forces the soul to establish clearer spiritual priorities and to integrate past spiritual lessons more deeply within their core perosnality.  (2) It deepens the longing of the frustrated seeker who recalls earlier times of intimate communion with God.  What the seeker forgets is that a deeper intimacy is facilitated not by mental assent to a set of beliefs about God, but by the purity of that longing fueled the frustration of a long sense of "absence."  The seeker is often oblivous to this paradox: God is never closer to him than in this painful sense "absence."  

Don


  Interesting post Don.   It feels like i've gone through one of these periods.  Feels like i'm wrapping up the loose ends.

  Anyways, bout John of the Cross, is it true that his physical remains were supposedly preserved in an unusually high state of non-decay?   Fascinating if true, and if true would show that he spiritualized the body to a very deep degree before transitioning.  But maybe its one of those urban myths?
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Reply #109 - Mar 28th, 2007 at 3:46am
 
Hi Don The inner voice is Spirit trying to guide you in the right direction,this is what spirit does,they put thoughts into your mind,as they cannot help us physically only mentaly.Spirit are always there for us to try and give us guidance with there pul.

Love and God bless      Love Juditha
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Reply #110 - Mar 28th, 2007 at 5:07am
 
Juditha, I do not mean to take away from you but this is not correct :  watchers or angels will not interfere with mind, spirit or soul it is against God's law due to the gift of human free will.  They do help in the physical by manifestering opportunities, if appropriate for the person’s particular need. It is up to the person's free-will to recognise the opportunity or coincident, big or small.

Anything else is malefic spirits latching on; even if they say they in the name of good they taking a person for a ride and breaking God's Law of interfering with an individual's free will.  

When a revelation was revealed to the prophets of the past the Angel would physically appear in front of the prophet. Receiving messages and visions, as say Don and Albert do, is from himself - his Higher Self. This is an Ego which is purified before God and speaks and recognises the Truth.  An ego surrendered to God has the ability to recognise whether another ego is speaking the truth or has a malefic spirit latched on.  A person who has a malefic spirit latched on needs help.

Not saying you have Juditha; you are strong in God.  Just have to be cautious about these things and trust in oneself.


Hi Don - hope you are well  Smiley

From my studies and understanding; John of the Cross was not Catholic but belonged to the Carmelite Order in Israel - which was a monastery and roots originated from the Essene branch.  

Just thought I’d point that out and wonder if you had read or heard otherwise.

His writings are wonderful.

Thanks for sharing what happened to you over Summer - amazing. I do believe higher selves connect with higher selves in God's Will and help one another in Earth.


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Reply #111 - Mar 28th, 2007 at 9:19am
 
Hey, here's an idea---
why not start a new thread for this discussion, rather than bring up a year old thread that may have some outdated ideas on it?
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Reply #112 - Mar 28th, 2007 at 10:56pm
 
[quote author=Spitfire link=1139456669/90#104 date=1144765602]Hey don,

I hav'nt been replying as much, as i have just absorbing some of your posts.

I'll give you some point's,  which i contradict in a shortwhile.
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Hey, welcome back, Spit.
I see it didn't take long for the Donster to re-launch his proselytization campaign on you (as you can see, not much has changed around
THIS place.)
Anyway, hang onto your hat, Don's on the warpath again (has been for
a couple weeks now.)

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Reply #113 - Mar 29th, 2007 at 5:40am
 
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All,

  I'm mostly a lurker, as I don't have either the knowledge or the experiences or even the English languaje skills to post in most of the threads, but after reading this one I just couldn't avoid to thank you guys, Berksed, DocM and all the others for sharing so much knowledge (and time) with the rest of us.

I started reading this forum as one of those mindless skeptics, still am, but thank to you I can try to solve that (the skeptic part, as the mindless side is not so easy).

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