Ive been looking at things on how the consciousness mind can affect the physical body, purely on patterns ive observed from my own experience. It seems to me, consciousness can actually be a strain upon the body.

Healing.

How many times have you gone to bed feeling ill, and woken up feeling fine...but the symptoms return over the course of a few hours of waking up?. This could be either via physical activity making you feel ill again, but from my own experience and some study's done across the world physical activity actually makes you feel better, and increase's the body's metabolic rate, thus producing key items to fight off illness. Thus is leads me to think, it's your mind - the focus on which you will concentrate upon something giving you pain, which can often increase the pain being experienced? If it's true that segments of our mind float off during sleep, then this could explain why the body heals faster during sleep then it does while being awake, theres less burden upon the body...less signals have to be produced to rationalise the illness..while at the same time, your body may have to fight for resources between your conscious and subconscious while awake - but while your asleep your subsconscious has free reign.

Meditation often, helps many people overcome illness. This would also add stock, because meditation is about clear thought - maybe detaching a little,thus letting the subscious deal with the illness and the consciousness to take a back seat.

If you through terminally ill patients into the works though, you can also see how it could be possible the conscious mind can be an asset in healing.

Says, theres 2 terminally ill cancer paitents. they both have exactly the same condition - the doctors say to both of them they have 1 week to live. often the case is the one who sits there crying, and in dispear will be dead the next day - while the one who totally disagree's with the doctor and keeps fighting - can live 6 months +, even sometimes force the cancer into remission.

Stress

My old man, works at a nut house. He has 26 service users, aka clients. All who have severe brain damage through accidents etc. You will be suprised to know though, he has some which are aged 65+ and not 1 has any grey hair. Thus leading me to think, there actions are often based alot on instinct - meaning the subconscious has more free reign upon the body, then it would over a regular person thus leading to no greys?

Stress can take it's form's physically for alot of us- aka rash's, headaches. Our consciousness is actually producing physical reactions - negative ones. While the subsonscious is trying to heal the physical and wounds being produced.

Stress can stop people wanting to eat etc, our conscious mind is actually overiding the subconscious's signals. Ultimately making us feel worse.

Actions.

How many actions, which lead to negative affects upon the body, are caused purely by the conscious mind? the answer is probley most of them. Taking drugs/smoking etc Are the conscious minds way of getting our body to produce happy chemicals, but the cost of this is damage to our body. The sub conscious often alerts us to danger by producing feelings of fear/anxiety. Yet most of the time  the conscious overides these feelings and it's considered heroic, self sacrifice etc.

It seems to me, the conscious mind is constantly battling with the sub conscious, and the aim is to find balance?....if you dont show your sub conscious respect and dont abuse it's attributes over eccessively, maybe there would be less illness/stress and wrong actions in the world?

The only reason we have a conscious (physical) mind, is because we are on the physical plane right now. We are living in a world of conscious energy. The physical body needs the conscious mind, or it couldn't function. Whether the conscious mind burdens the body doesn't make much difference, without the physical body the conscious mind would die.

From out of the subconscious mind (or what many psychics call the "spirit") comes dreams, lucid dreams, astral projecting, instincts, blinking, and a host of other things. We basically need both...

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Spit have you thought that maybe the spirit is working in tandem with the subconscious?

There is a good body of evidence that supports this idea

  Spit, i think you are definitely onto something, big time!

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Hmmm, interesting thought, would like to expand on this and relate it to other stuff...

  Perhaps the unconscious/subconscious self is the same, or similar thing to the 'right brain' function, and in turn can be related to the feminine--yin--passive--receptive--contractive principle of energy...??? (beyond physical gender, though Archetypally relating to it...)....

  And the consicous self is the same or similar to the left, 'logical' brain, and in turn can be related to the masculine--yang--active--outpouring--expanding princple of energy....??

  And the super-conscious is that nice balance you mention that might help in many things..., the two working in perfect tandom and harmony?

Eureeka!  And i think you're onto something with the whole, belief systems and thought habits definitely influence or mold our bodies to some degree (usually over periods of time, but not necessarily a long term process either....)???

  Thanks for this thought provoking thread old man, you cheeky monkey you... J/K about the cheeky monkey thang!  Do really like this thread though.

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Good point jambo. But it seems to me that the sub conscious and conscious have different aims/goals alot of the time.

I think the sub-conscious can be moulded though....to some extent.

Say you make the conscious idea of smoking..purely because it looks cool or somthing, your sub-conscious is'nt asking for it. But once you have had a few - the sub-conscious sends out signals requesting it, for it crys out for the nicotene inside it the sigs. When it comes time to stop it's your conscious mind which must overcome the sub-conscious...because the body wants it- but you know it's having adverse affects on your health.

It does all seem to come down to balance in the end.

The amount of control you exert upon yourself, being the key to the right course of action.

Your sub conscious could be like a parent.

Your conscious is the child.

A parent will be right 90% of the time, but the child would be correct in saying they know more about pokemon characters?

The more the conscious learns - the older it becomes, thus the parent should give more and more reponsability/ judgement making decisions.

I think it is important to note that we influence each other so much, that our conscious/subconscious minds are constantly being fed by the interactions we have with others.  When we each focus on love and peace and sharing with each other then we are participating in healing each other.  For instance, if we are listening to our friend and our friend is telling us about their pain, the depth of our caring and concern is carried all the way into that person's heart and soul.  If we turn away, if we are impatient, we wound the person further.

Although we are responsible for our own healing, there is a saying that no man is an island.  Our minds do not operate alone in this universe even when we focus intently on healing ourselves and giving ourselves a happier life. And, ultimately, there is no greater happiness when we have achieved a momentary time of personal balance than sharing it with a wounded other. That energy is healing for all, and each of us has moments of clarity and wholeness to offer each other.

love, blink

Blink,

As usual you have complemented what I said and expanded it immeasurably.  Beautiful.  It is true.  I've been trying to find what the most disconcerting thing is about Ernest Holmes' writings on thought creating reality, and all of us using this.  There are two things that don't sit well with me.  The first is that he sees God in all of us, and as such to tap the power of thought, he asks us to recognize that we have an inner perfection.  I'm not sure most of us can do that.  He believes that healing comes about when we make the body conform to the inner perfection we have access to.

The second problem I have with Holmes is that no man/woman is an island.  This is sort of what you just said.  We reach our highest levels spiritually when helping another, or simply loving, interacting in a positive way.  We are not an island, isolated.  This is a key realization for our consciousness.  Holmes seeks us to be "masters of our own ships of consciousness," directing our lives positively.

Yet our interactions, both good and bad are the key, perhaps the real reason we are here, and the real way to spiritual growth.

Thank you, Blink, for pointing that out.

Matthew

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Thank you for pointing that out Chumley. I've astral traveled before, and I was wide-awake while dreaming, walking around my house with my astral body. It was completely by accident, too. That's why I believe we lucid dream in the spirit astral world with millions of other spirits after we die.

Let me explain: Two divisions of the mind we acknowledge today: the conscious and subconscious. The first entails the physical dimension where the human body requires a three-dimensional consciousness to function. It has become the part of our consciousness we are most familiar with, what we have come to call the conscious mind. Many of us would consider it to actually be the "I" or "me" of ourselves. It is within this part of consciousness that we experience physical life.

The second part of consciousness is shadow-like while one is incarnate in the physical dimension. It lives life as a shadow, always there, listening, watching, remembering. We have come to call this part of our consciousness the subconscious mind. From out of this area come dreams, lucid dreams, instincts, intuitions, unseen motivations, and deepest memories.

Now, I understand that to lucid dream after death, we would need our conscious mind. If we do lucid dream after death, than our conscious mind must survive physical death as well. Since people see lucid/transeparent ghosts, that tells me the ghosts are consciously walking around on the earth whenever they want.

Perhapes the mind is a seperate entity from the physical body?
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I hope so, Ryan.
Otherwise, I think I know what "Hell" will
be like... But who knows, maybe that's a
good thing. I'll know what to expect.
Forewarned, Forearmed..? If I end up in
a "dreamscape" full of say, cannibalistic mutant cyborg zombies...
I'll be able to "think up" grenades, rifles, ammunition
ect. from memory (which is a SUBCONSCIOUS mind-property) and so, I won't be totally defenseless...

B-man