This has happened to me so many times too. People have told me they've seen me even though I hadn't done the PE. I think just thinking about it too puts you there, maybe implied Intent. LOL

Dear soul Bruce, what would we do without you. You completely changed my life and I'll be forever greatful.

Much Love,
Mairlyn

Hiya Bruce,

I liked that story. Its kind of weird but helped me in a way i guess because now i feel it doesn't matter, time that is so much. I had it in my head even though everyones saturday was different due to timezones I had to do mine on my saturday, but now my thoughts are I can do it anytime around that weekend. Even though I know I could do it anytime I can try for whenever it feels best and hopefully get some results.

I'm just going to remember that story next time and have no worries and try whenever is best.

Thankyou for the reply and hope everything is going well.

Ryan

Hi Guys,

So, I have the best of intentions on going to the crystal 1/14, eat lightly, have a response from the board in hard copy which has Alysia’s, Marilyn’s, and Spooky’s posts all on one page next to my bed with a picture of the crystal next to it.  I go to bed by 8:30 pm and put a Monroe hemi-sync on and cozy in.  Then the tickle in my throat starts and I put some Vicks on and settle in again.  (It’s ok this morning) I agree totally with L. Hay that all physical symptoms that we periodically manifest throughout or lives, stem from spiritual imbalance of some sort, but that’s an aside.  Anyhow after lying there for a while, I finally fall asleep, all the while picturing my destination that night.  But then I find myself in the middle of a nightmare?  I sense that someone has broken into the house while at the same time I find myself, not C1 physical self, on the floor at the foot of the bed being held from the back and struggling to break free.  Meanwhile, I’m trying like crazy to bend my head around to bite him so he’ll release me. 

I’m calling Mac for help and wind up back on my side of the bed still being held by this individual. This guy is not much different in height or build than myself but he is physically stronger.  As Mac and the cat and possibly some others are going for help or left the scene because this is my happening, this man is holding on to me for dear life in, what seems to me, to be an attempt to prevent me from going somewhere?  That’s when I get a look at part of his youngish looking face and really start to wonder what’s this all about.  He has a smooth olive complexion familiar smell/feel and is not anyone I know from C1. This whole experience was more like a lucid dream as opposed the run of the mill “working” or conversation dreams.  It was very vivid!   

It’s funny but when I started to be curious, the whole scene sort of dissipated and I was left with the question of whether or not I finally met the part of myself that could be preventing me from more productive explorations out there.  It somehow feels right that I left this scene with one of Bruce’s suggestions to state that it was ok and I did not need to be held back from this type of exercise and that the other individual/part of myself would be safe.  I remember his tightrope illustration where he explains that an aspect of ourselves wants to protect us, especially when we are doing something new. 

My previous retrievals sort of caught me off guard but in this case my intention was so strong, I suspect that a struggle in belief systems might have clashed.  Taking the suggestion to thank this aspect of myself for attempting to protect me and then express my desire to change my belief regarding visiting the crystal because I want to have the experience of going there and remembering it as vividly as this, being held back one was, is the thought I’m embracing now as I review the dream (AKG chap 12). Meanwhile, after the dream, I seem to remember conversations but they were hazy by the time I woke up.  I had no aftereffects in the morning regarding fear or back problems but I sure wish that I remembered going to the crystal because I do find much comfort in Spooky’s and Alysia’s statements about what they saw.  Again I mention that Marilyn’s suggestion that the hemi-sync may be causing me to click out, might also be a factor in my not having more vivid memory of going to the crystal.  I’ll try it without the tape next pe in February.

Any help with this would be appreciated and I did pm Alysia about this and she offered another take on it but I don’t think that it’s quite a fit.

Anyhow, that’s my story. Keep the glimpses coming in.  Love, Jean   Hi, Bruce

   

Jean

Thanks for an interesting story of your adventure. I think it is an important "chapter" in this adventure and I hope more "newbies" will read it to see that for some (many) of us, we don't just pop out a la Robert Monroe but we grow toward it one step at a time.

When we are little children, someone takes us by the hand and tell sus how to interpret the world, but whe we explore new vistas as adults, we have to figure it out for ourselves.

You have to decide how you progress best. Do you want to try to recreate the same conditions and see how you progress through them the next time, or do you want to try to create a different set of conditions and try to progress from there? I've not been able to conciously recreate but I always wonder if I could that I might finally "get it." In order to learn to drive in crazy urban traffic, I had to repeatedly go into it. Sometimes, you just gotta go through the door, sometimes you have to find a different path. How can you tell which choice is best?

I don't mean to take any pleasure from your misadventure, but in a way it is more interesting than the successes. Sometimes we learn more from experiments that fail than we do from ones that succeed. Thanks again for sharing.

I'm so sleep-deprived lately that I can't even remember a dream.

Hi Jean,
interesting experience. I was reminded of one of my own experiences, which took place before I did this mind journeys taught by Bruce and the TMI (Maybe I've told this before):

At the end of a very long dream of two or three episodes, which I remembered clearly, I was standing (in this dream) at my university and was talking to a friend. Then the scene was getting weaker and the strangest bodily feeling appeared to me: A coldness went through me, but wasn't uncomfortable, which was odd. Then I felt drawn away from the dream scene, and I went into a state very similar to my mind-journeys now. I "knew" suddenly that someone was inside my room, in which I layed asleep. Normally I would immediately jump up from my bed, but not this time. Someone (or I) said to me: "Don't fear. You're safe. Keep calm." The cold feeling was remaining. I really felt this presence of someone in my room, and was aware that I was laying in my bed, I could "see" it with my mind's eyes like you can see imaginations. This person in my room (whom I didn't see) came nearer and nearer. The person layed down on my bed behind me (I was laying on my left side), very close, and it was absolutely real! Then the person behind me flew into my physical body. After a little while I decided to get up to write it down to remember this exceptional experience.

There are two possibilities (beneath the "silly fantasies" one): This person/presence was another spirit who likes to be again in a physical body ("earthbound spirit"), or it was an aspect of myself, or a "body" of myself which finally melted again with my physical body after separating during sleep, with the difficulty that my awareness was, if not in my physical body, but at least somehow near my physical body and not at the place of that more etheric body.
This occurance, of course, was very impressive. The following night, inspired by this, I did an exercise to have an oobe, but when the first signs came, I was overwhelmed of a tremendous nameless fear so that I had to quit that attempt.
Also, I always lock the door of my room when I go to sleep or meditation since this, as a psychologic mean to reduce possible sources of fear.

Spooky

P.S. That sleepy person I mentioned, I thought it was you Jean. I didn't use person's names because I was (and am still) too uncertain about it, but now just thought you may find it interesting.

LOL WOW!!!!!!!the  whole time thing  ???   Well what if tomorrow I decide to go back to january 16th will I be able to talk to everyone, even myself? I just imagined I  did and gave everyone a blast of PUL.!!!! It is also nice to be back. Will be here tomorrow. Love  u wade

Dear Alysia,

I wrote a response to Spooky before I read your post and wanted to respond to Shirley because I went to a dream workshop yesterday and finally heard from a dream “expert” exactly what I always needed to hear, “The primary dream expert is the dreamer”.  But I also was glad to hear him admit that there is more to it than the old idea that all dreams are merely our unconscious minds giving us coded messages (all this coming from a Jungarian dream therapist).  That would leave out the retrieval work we do, the past life glimpses, the visits with our soul groups, the OBE/altered consciousness experiences, the messages from our deceased friends and family, prophecy, lucid dreams, meetings with our guides, and actual interference from other individuals on the spirit level to name a few.  Hopefully we’ve come a long way from the former simplistic description of what dreams are.  But also part of the dream experience includes feedback from others who just might know something that the “dreamer” doesn’t.  I value your input because that may well be the case plus any help in decoding the message is also appreciated as Dave did in another dream I had.  Since, at this time in my life, I remember so little from my nighttime adventures, I’m inclined to “milk” the few I do in hopes of gleaning something-just anything to give me guidance in who I am, what obstacles I’m encountering, and where I’m to go next. 

So I even welcome nightmares as solid neutrals in giving me clues to my journey though I would also welcome remembering positive encounters at the crystal, for example, even more.  That’s why Spooky’s suggestion of my being the napping person at the crystal, your glimpse of seeing many helpers around Mac and I, and even your “first” thought regarding an individual in my obit are welcome as real possibilities that uplift me as good happenings that I am connected to more than I am consciously aware of.  I realize that some individuals might consider this wishful thinking but I think that those in the past who have since died and were the first publishers of the written word were the same as we now who are having similar adventures.  Just because we are alive and using the Internet to record our words does not mean that what we have to say is less valid then those of the dead people whose words we are to take in as unquestionable as fixed in stone and therefore more valid.  And remember a lot of them dead folks didn’t accept much input from their womenfolk as many males do now.   

Does seem to me that the gap between dreams, retrievals, and P E ing is closing or was the whole dream thing merely an artificial construction in the first place coined to describe the human/living tasks we do when the physical body needs rest due to the density of this plane?  Is that what Monroe means when he says there is no wakefulness, there is no sleep, there is only being?   

Trust your input as much as ever, dear friend. Love, Jean 

p.s. I’m really feeling like a lost soul this week and struggling to keep going so when I couldn’t post the above response because every time I tried the internet disconnected, I had to shut the whole thing down and start reading some posts I had printed out.  The one I’m referring to is your Ayn R one regarding dreams and I realized that the above was a response to your/my/others early misconceptions about our shared nightlife, so again I realize that somehow we’re on the same page. Love, J