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Spitfire

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Re: Evolution, the greatest hurdle?.
Reply #60 - Jan 19^th, 2006 at 12:51pm

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So is it your position the brain in it's oxygen deprived state resorts to a more energy intense activity such as imagining new and different things? Why would it not resort to lower life support functions and not waste resources on higher brain function? Doesn't seem very consistent with an evolved survival advantage does it? (I know it's a null hypothesis, but I'm not trying to prove anything)

Recalling memory's cannot be that energy intensive, because we use it none stop 24 hours a day. Even while dreaming. We use it even if were starving. Also if it's true that the brain is mearly a reciver, then the consciousness must power it'self somehow without the use of food....otherwise we could'nt exist outside the confines of the body thus the afterlife would not be possible.

No working memory, = no previous experience of were to find food/water. No idea how to catch food. No idea of possible dangers, to which you could have encountered before.

memory is almost as vital as water is.

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Bud_S

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Reply #61 - Jan 19^th, 2006 at 1:41pm

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Recalling memory's cannot be that energy intensive, because we use it none stop 24 hours a day. Even while dreaming. We use it even if were starving. Also if it's true that the brain is mearly a reciver, then the consciousness must power it'self somehow without the use of food....otherwise we could'nt exist outside the confines of the body thus the afterlife would not be possible.

No working memory, = no previous experience of were to find food/water. No idea how to catch food. No idea of possible dangers, to which you could have encountered before.

memory is almost as vital as water is.

Actually using one's brain is very energy intensive. The brain is full of sugar and it uses it when intently thinking, especially creatively and when memorizing. Didn't you ever get really really hungry when studying for an exam? It used to happen to me all the time, I felt like I'd had a physical workout. Those neurons don't fire for free. That's why low blood sugar causes confusion and poor judgement.

So here's the brain, deprived of the two things it vitally needs, energy and oxygen, and it decides to take a little side trip to fantasy land. I think there's more to this than oxygen deprivation. I've been deprived of oxygen till I passed out before, and partially deprived many times at altitude, and while it was euphoric, I didn't have any halucinations or delusions at all. Although at altitude I have some fairly crazy dreams. I wouldn't argue that dreams are caused by oxygen deprivation though. So how does that work? Have you considered that halucinations or delusions could be manifestations of knowledge rather than mere misfirings? In other words, memories from places or times other than the person's current situation? So there may not be an alien behind the bed, but maybe the old girl knew the little critter back on Beta 5 in grade school? .... in a galaxy far far away? I'm just messing with you, but I find it raises more questions than are easily settled with "just delusions" conclusion.

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PhoenixRa

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Reply #62 - Jan 19^th, 2006 at 2:13pm

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Recalling memory's cannot be that energy intensive, because we use it none stop 24 hours a day. Even while dreaming. We use it even if were starving. Also if it's true that the brain is mearly a reciver, then the consciousness must power it'self somehow without the use of food....otherwise we could'nt exist outside the confines of the body thus the afterlife would not be possible.

No working memory, = no previous experience of were to find food/water. No idea how to catch food. No idea of possible dangers, to which you could have encountered before.

memory is almost as vital as water is.

Hi there SpitFire,

Have you ever read "The Field" by Lynne Taggart, its a very interesting book along the lines of brain vs. consciousness, and its mostly pretty scientific in that much of the data comes from real scientists and experiments.

Anyways, while i respect science, and believe left brain reasoning is very important, i can't help but think its just half of the yummy pie...

For example, according to science i should be wasting away right now, very weak, tired, and body should start to fall apart about..around now.

For the last 2 months, i've been eating very, very, very little compared to the 'norm'... My caloric intake is waayyyy below my caloric burning and energy expenditure.

While i have lost some weight since this, i've lost surprisingly little overall, nor was i even close to fat or even chubby before this. I have on average, about one small meal every other day (somedays a little more, some periods less).

Most nutritionists etc., types, would say "oh my goodness, you're going to break down pretty soon, you must be very tired, mental capacity slowing down, etc. etc.?"

Nope, feel great, in fact i feel better than i ever did, and my mental facilities seem sharper and clearer.

I have plenty of energy, i run everyother day, plus walk with Becky sometimes, do chores around the house, and up till a little while ago, had a fairly physical job where i usually worked up a sweat...

So where is the energy coming from? I posit that its coming from, and i'm getting more receptive to the energy of consciousness.

How would science explain this, since i seem to be past the primarily fat burning reserve phase?

btw--for the record, this is not something i set out to do like ala David Blaine style, but rather was a natural occurance of losing my appetite and attachment to food... Meaning its not something i tried to force to happen. I definitely don't recommend people trying this out. This is potentially very dangerous to the body as many people who have had anorexia or bulemia have shown by the damage to their bodies.

btw-- I know that Cayce book is probably very boring and overly 'bible fundamental' at first, but stick to it if you can, there are some very interesting accounts in there of some amazingly consistent accurate psychic perception and verifications...

You don't need to believe in the bible, Jesus, God, etc. to get something out of it... Personally i found Cayce's emphasis on the bible pretty tedious myself at first, and its important to note that Cayce's Source definitely indicated that the bible has been edited, filtered, and/or is symbolic in points where people take it literally, etc.

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PhoenixRa

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Reply #63 - Jan 19^th, 2006 at 7:44pm

Update for Da SpitMan:

Was thinking about stuff, and i don't know why i had said '2 months', now that i think about it, its been closer to 3, almost 4 months now. I don't pay much attention to time lately, most of the time, don't know what day it is. Roll Eyes

Either way, that book i mentioned is one of the best books relating science to spiritual or consciousness concepts i've ever read.

If i remember correctly, DocM said he read it and liked it a lot too?

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Spitfire

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Reply #64 - Jan 20^th, 2006 at 1:24pm

Nope, i hav'nt read that book - i'll have a look at it once i finish edgar cayce.

I dont respect science/tists much myself. Only if i can logically justify there results to myself do they become meaningful.

People have survived at sea for 150 days + with little food and water, yet the pull through the odds.

Scientists are far to primitive when it comes to understanding the human body. As i have said before, they never cure....just focus on damage mangment. Ultimately your body heals itself.

@Bud.

It's funny you should mention sugar, my grandmother was a type 1 diebetic. She was very confused + the delusions (as i would describe them). As a result of her condition- and not eating properly.

You must agree though, that our memory is vital to our survival? and that it is kept active, while other things are shutting down?

I could go into looking at deeper cause's of why my grandmother was seeing things, but sometimes the simplist explanations are often the correct ones. Until some pucca evidence pops up, i'll stick with it.

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PhoenixRa

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Reply #65 - Jan 20^th, 2006 at 2:48pm

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Nope, i hav'nt read that book - i'll have a look at it once i finish edgar cayce.

I dont respect science/tists much myself. Only if i can logically justify there results to myself do they become meaningful.

People have survived at sea for 150 days + with little food and water, yet the pull through the odds.

True enough, but consider this, i'm getting near the 120 day mark, but people out to sea for that long tend not to expend much energy, sleep A LOT, and unfortunately just kind of have to wait around for someone to find them... They might try swimming or paddling for the first week or two, but often they just hope somebody will come close. Hence the whole "energy expenditure" and caloric burning much, much higher than caloric intake in my case.

I'm sure if i sat in one place and meditated constantly, i could stop eating altogether for quite awhile, but i'm not interested in that Wink

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Scientists are far to primitive when it comes to understanding the human body. As i have said before, they never cure....just focus on damage mangment. Ultimately your body heals itself.

Yup, very much agree. I dunno how true it is, but in Autobiography of A Yogi by Yogannanda, he talks about going to meet a woman who doesn't eat at all, and hasn't for many years. Again, there is no deep verification here, but there have been accounts here and there of similar things. A Chiropractor who wrote an interesting book called "Alkalize or Die" wrote about his travels around the world, and meeting a man in India who backed up his claim that he was 140, though he didn't look a day a fairly healthy 70.

I once read about a well known Chinese herbalist who supposedly lived to 230 something some odd years, but again, who knows?

This kind of stuff, if it happens, doesn't happen enough for people to seriously consider it. But its thought provoking at least...

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Bud_S

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Reply #66 - Jan 20^th, 2006 at 4:17pm

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True enough, but consider this, i'm getting near the 120 day mark, but people out to sea for that long tend not to expend much energy, sleep A LOT, and unfortunately just kind of have to wait around for someone to find them... They might try swimming or paddling for the first week or two, but often they just hope somebody will come close. Hence the whole "energy expenditure" and caloric burning much, much higher than caloric intake in my case.

I'm sure if i sat in one place and meditated constantly, i could stop eating altogether for quite awhile, but i'm not interested in that Wink

Yup, very much agree. I dunno how true it is, but in Autobiography of A Yogi by Yogannanda, he talks about going to meet a woman who doesn't eat at all, and hasn't for many years. Again, there is no deep verification here, but there have been accounts here and there of similar things. A Chiropractor who wrote an interesting book called "Alkalize or Die" wrote about his travels around the world, and meeting a man in India who backed up his claim that he was 140, though he didn't look a day a fairly healthy 70.

I once read about a well known Chinese herbalist who supposedly lived to 230 something some odd years, but again, who knows?

This kind of stuff, if it happens, doesn't happen enough for people to seriously consider it. But its thought provoking at least...

Just so long as one differentiates "survival" from living a healthy low calorie life. The guys that survive at sea for weeks and weeks are never the same - their kidneys are screwed up, they develop eating disorders, and have mental problems and other nasty conditions. The low cal lifestyle like the hindis is a different matter. I'm a high calorie guy myself - AND I know what day of the week it is! Just kidding Justin, glad you're doing well, be careful, (or you'll lose an eye, blah blah blah, and other stuff your mother told you).

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