Quote:Spitfire,
You have some interesting things to say, but now you are blowing it with generalizations. You have to try meditation, and other methods for not weeks, but months or years.
Look at Bruce's work on this site. Partnered exploration where two people visit the same focus level of consciousness, then make independent notes when they are done, and compare the experiences. Surprising powers and correlations have been found exploring the afterlife this way, with contact and personal information that could not have been known in any other way.
You seek for logic and objectivity in a subjective realm called consciousness. How dull it would be if we all saw a white tunnel, all had the same thing as a NDE, all talked with Jesus. I believe, as many know here, we become what we take with us; there is so much diversity of thought, of course the afterlife will reflect this.
As different as the accounts you site are, there are several constant universal themes which recur; the golden rule of do unto others, the cultivation and expression of love; the need to help others; the need to explore.
The great thing about the Monroe institute, and Bruce's work is when you have hundreds or thousands of people focusing their consciousness, and then, giving separate experiences, but verifying some common themes between one and other.
I do not believe that letting go of preconceptions and strict belief in Western science, and being open to the mystical experiences is just using my imagination; I do, however believe that you will not experience the mystical or divine if you want everything to be proved in the material world.
Matthew
Matthew
I just want to be plugged into a machine - zapped -and visit the afterlife.
Im making generalisations, because people who claim to visit the afterlife, cannot give the most basic reponse's to questions, nor can i find evidence based upon quantifiable data. Thus leading me down the path of.
1.) they dont want to tell you.
2.) they cant tell you.
Either way, they are rubbing me the wrong way.
I want to see the data which has been passed....i wanna see bruce stuck under a camera and another person stuck under a camera and a message passed between them....and i want them to be paid a large sum of money for it. It's the ultimate proof that something paranormal exists. Yet not 1 out of the thousands of people who claim to have obe's would dare try.
Thus leading me down the path of.
1.) They cant do it.
2.) They wont do it.
Either way, they are aggroing me.
I want everyone to follow the same path. Everyone see's a tunnel, but everyone visits a different destination.
If we are reincarnated....love/morals....dont matter to ants. Yet...90% of people who have obe's claim we are re-incarnated....but were did we come from before the human race began....questions to which they supposedley have access to the answer, but aint bothered to get it/or they dont know it. But they can tell you exactley how they have mystical experiences...and how times slowing down....but why is there never ever ever.....proof. It aint much to ask for.
The common themes between people....are not common enough for me, you think of the sun, we can get a list together of things we think of, chances are alot of them will be matched. Oobe's go totally loco. i was an elephant retriving people from the asain tsunami.....i was on a different planet, it was inhabited by umpa lumpa's. I went to hell....i went for a life review.
99.9% of mystical experience's turn out to be the brain making something out of nothing....a full town in the usa thought they saw an alien space craft, turned out the military was dropping flares.
Show me something paranormal. I will listen, tell me something only i could know, i would be shocked. If i saw a ghost, belief you and me, i would soon look into ways of prooving it was real. but since ive never had anything remotely paranormal/spiritual occur to me. All i have is the evidence to which i collect, but the source's are often like mutes locked into a cycle - or no proof is needed.
Btw, sorry for ranting. Im just cranky, no answers...no one who is willing/can answer. And the fact - so many people are happy living there life without proving anything.
And you put matt, twice matt ^+
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