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Spitfire

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Evolution, the greatest hurdle?.
Jan 15^th, 2006 at 6:31pm

1 of the main things (for me), that casts doubt on the existance of the afterlife is evolution. Plus the existance of animals/consciousness similar to our own.

We evolved from apes, did we have a life plan, when our brain was little more then primal instinct?

When we started down the path of evolution, morals, love, respect, peace - were worth little, yet now, every afterlife book i have read - says we come here to learn about these things.

At the beginging there were only a few hundred thousand of us. Now theres over 6 billion? how many people are there? spirit wise i mean - there must be a fixed number - otherwise how do more spirits come into being?

What makes us different then animals?

I know people say free will - but free will can be controled once another has enough knowledge on how a process works. You give a dog a treat - it will sit. You gives us 5 million bucks, we will do the conga. It's just about pushing the right buttons.

Free will is just knowledge.

Evolution - starting from a single cell which lead to us - does'nt make me confident we planned to come here, because we must have been coming since a certain point - aka we inhabbited the first cells - or we started inhabiting fish - we must have started with less then what we are today and it must have started many millions of years ago.

With past life regressions etc, no one ever talks about being a monkey...or being a caveman, it's always victorian scenes or famous people.

These things lead me to think we only live once. and if we do survive we are upon death, stored away into a cabinet of consciousness like a libary.

Any thoughts?

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deanna Ex Member Afterlife Knowledge Member Gender:	Re: Evolution, the greatest hurdle?. Reply #1 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 6:38pm hi spitfire i dont believe all that evolution stuff i dont believe for one minute that we evolved from apes i believe god made everyliving thing as he made us deanna
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Spitfire

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Re: Evolution, the greatest hurdle?.
Reply #2 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 6:41pm

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hi spitfire i dont believe all that evolution stuff i dont believe for one minute that we evolved from apes i believe god made everyliving thing as he made us deanna

I dont believe in god

The evidence for evolution is far more substantial and more believable and reproducable also.

+ god is the new guy on the block. Only been around for 2000 years. We were here long long before that.

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blink Ex Member	Re: Evolution, the greatest hurdle?. Reply #3 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 6:54pm Hi Spitfire, Such an interesting train of thought you have here. Yes, I sometimes think maybe we are a book on a shelf somewhere, maybe a video in Someone's library. If so, then love, love, love. There is nothing else worth living for. blink
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Re: Evolution, the greatest hurdle?.
Reply #4 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 6:55pm

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+ god is the new guy on the block. Only been around for 2000 years. We were here long long before that.

Lol I like it. I don't believe in evolution one bit. The thing which kills it for me is there are no "inbetweens" (that I'll explain later on in the post) and there is no absolute 100% guarenteed evidence, your only going off what some clever scientist says. Personally I can see a similarity between us and chimps/apes etc. but surely if evolution was a loooong process that is happening all the time surely we would of discovered an "inbetween" of a human and an ape?

Remember what your saying is Spit, "Hear eveything, trust nothing"

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deanna Ex Member Afterlife Knowledge Member Gender:	Re: Evolution, the greatest hurdle?. Reply #5 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 6:56pm yes spitfire but god was around in the beginning he created the earth and every living thing on it hes not new on the block hes been there since time began deanna
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Spitfire

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Reply #6 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 7:02pm

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yes spitfire but god was around in the beginning he created the earth and every living thing on it hes not new on the block hes been there since time began deanna

Thats properganda dean, without the bible you would'nt know god existed. and since the bible was only created 2000 years ago. then god is an idea which has only been around for 2000 years. Before then we worshipped the sun/moon ground and everything in between - it's merely our lack of understanding which makes us believe in things, which cannot be verified.

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Reply #7 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 7:07pm

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Lol I like it. I don't believe in evolution one bit. The thing which kills it for me is there are no "inbetweens" (that I'll explain later on in the post) and there is no absolute 100% guarenteed evidence, your only going off what some clever scientist says. Personally I can see a similarity between us and chimps/apes etc. but surely if evolution was a loooong process that is happening all the time surely we would of discovered an "inbetween" of a human and an ape?

Remember what your saying is Spit, "Hear eveything, trust nothing"

They have found people in between us in kenya.

I'll also tell you something which will spook you out (it did me anyway).

Some crazy scientists awhile back created a human -ape hybrid and called it a humanzie. and i aint joking. Unfortunatley some human rights activists stormed the complex and killed the ape carrying the humanzie.

Theres also some apes which are incredabley like us. Check out this guy from the late 70's

http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa022800a.htm

His name is oliver, and he will blow your socks off.

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deanna Ex Member Afterlife Knowledge Member Gender:	Re: Evolution, the greatest hurdle?. Reply #8 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 7:08pm spitfire i wasnt getting at you in any way your entitled to your own beliefs ,everyone is its just therwasnt any humans until god made the earth and adam and eve thats what i believe but you dont have to weve all got free will to believe in what we all want to believe in deanna
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Sasuke Junior Member Offline How many flavours does it take to kill a man? Posts: 78 Canada Gender:	Re: Evolution, the greatest hurdle?. Reply #9 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 7:13pm Why, why, WHY do God and evolution have to be independent from one another? Is there a rule that evolution couldn't have been guided by God? Started by God? From an evolutionary standpoint, humans don't even make sense, so why couldn't God have pushed us in the right direction?
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Spitfire

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Reply #10 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 7:15pm

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spitfire i wasnt getting at you in any way your entitled to your own beliefs ,everyone is its just therwasnt any humans until god made the earth and adam and eve thats what i believe but you dont have to weve all got free will to believe in what we all want to believe in deanna

Im just pointing out that some of the main things the bible says are false.

2 humans cannot = a race. It would cause genetic mutation and degredation.

Knowledge leads to proof or dis-proof.

Im just saying that before we can expand our horizons we first must question our own beliefs, and be allowed to make our own beliefs without being programmed by others

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Spitfire

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Reply #11 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 7:18pm

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Why, why, WHY do God and evolution have to be independent from one another?

Is there a rule that evolution couldn't have been guided by God? Started by God? From an evolutionary standpoint, humans don't even make sense, so why couldn't God have pushed us in the right direction?

Because, if you believe in the bible - you must believe in it 100% or not at all.

The bible says god created adam and eve - and they started the human race.

Evolution says otherwise. There like oil and water.

and why dont we make sense?

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Reply #12 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 8:18pm

Now that is an eye-opener!

Having read the article about "Oliver" (lol) I think that it is open to a muchos debatos, I reckon it could of been a Lab techs dream! I believe that he must of been created by a lab because there surely would be more like good old oliver, but still it is very , very interesting and has opened my mind to suggestion as there could be 100's of chimps like oliver in the wild, walking like us, smoking ciggies like us . . . . .

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Reply #13 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 8:42pm

Evolution does not imply that you or I as our individual Doc or Spitfire personalities were a fish or an ape. Indeed, the fact that there are more people around doesn't tell as where we come from.

There are trillions of insects, and more plankton and organisms than I can imagine. You may say we evolved from single cells to simple creatures to us. But how does it work? How does my heart know how to beat, I can change my immune response to new viruses, and activate and inactivate my coagulation system properly with a cut? All from evolution - you might say? Nothing from design or spirit? Who gives the commands? My subconsicous? What, exactly is that?

While biology is explainable (this protein phosphorylates that protein, etc.), the "why" or coordination of it all is left up to a shrug of the shoulders. It is so clear to me tha t consciousness, our very being coordinates these physical activities. Even as a doctor, I can not ascribe it all to random mutationor survival of the fittest mechanism.

So I see evolution as compatilble with the afterlife, and continuing spiritual evolution thereafter.

As for reincarnation, I'm not sure. I'm not sure how many of us are new souls, and who has recycled.

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Spitfire

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Reply #14 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 8:42pm

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Now that is an eye-opener!

Having read the article about "Oliver" (lol) I think that it is open to a muchos debatos, I reckon it could of been a Lab techs dream! I believe that he must of been created by a lab because there surely would be more like good old oliver, but still it is very , very interesting and has opened my mind to suggestion as there could be 100's of chimps like oliver in the wild, walking like us, smoking ciggies like us . . . . .

Aye, tell me about it.

Which then leads back to my original post of evolution putting a whole lotta questions into our continued survival.

I hope someone has some good answer's because my brain is pickled.

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