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Reply #15 - Dec 19th, 2005 at 9:30pm
 
I've had that type as well, Spooky.  Sometimes I "wake up" in the morning and think I'm really awake, not realizing I'm looking through my closed eyes.  I've never seen anything like beings through.  I only see my bedroom just like regular waking vision.  Then I realize that my eyes are closed and that I still have my sleep mask on and I'll wake up for real.
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Reply #16 - Dec 19th, 2005 at 9:47pm
 
yeah this happens to me too. Last time was yersterday morning.

I wonder if it really is astral vision. I was looking at my dorm alright but things were different. Not all the furniture was there. I figured I was hallucinating.

It's hard to tell.
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Reply #17 - Dec 20th, 2005 at 9:25am
 
Here's something interesting:

http://brain.web-us.com/lucid/luciddreamingFAQ.htm
http://brain.web-us.com/Dream/dreamfaq.htm

Brain website talks about how you can go out-of-body during lucid dreams, or astral project, and that REM state (rapid eye movement sleep), is when your body might be paralysed because of the projection.
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Reply #18 - Dec 20th, 2005 at 6:04pm
 
I understand that we are paralyzed during REM, so that we don't physically act out what we're dreaming, but I thought you don't have to be in REM while having an OBE.  I don't think the body being paralyzed during REM directly relates to the OBE.  In other words, REM sleep means you are dreaming.  But you don't have to be dreaming in order to have an OBE.
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Reply #19 - Dec 20th, 2005 at 6:23pm
 
Hey,

I haven't read all this yet but always had me curious Vicky, like you said we don't need to REM, so if i'm conciously acting out there I always wonder how much I have acted here while being out there if I have...haven't heard of anything yet but you never know lol

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Reply #20 - Dec 20th, 2005 at 6:46pm
 
Actually from what I read (can find sources if you want), you must NOT have REM to be projecting.
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Reply #21 - Dec 20th, 2005 at 9:13pm
 
I've heard there was a big surprise when they tested some sleepwalkers, they thought must be in REM/dreaming, but was actually in deep sleep (it's called delta, isn't it), where normally one is total bodily relaxed. So it's all a bit mysterious with those sleep/consciousness states.
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Reply #22 - Dec 20th, 2005 at 10:14pm
 
This is interesting...

This is from Stephen LaBerge's book, Exploring The World Of Lucid Dreaming, page 21-22.

"Very little dream content is reported from delta sleep.  Interestingly, this state of deep and dreamless sleep is highly regarded in some Eastern mystical traditions as the state in which we establish contact with our innermost consciousness.  It is when the inner world can be suffused with the full light of the highest universal consciousness.  The ego state of waking consciousness drops away.  Moreover, the personal aspects of the unknown mind are temporarily abandoned.  The memories, the problems, the troubled dream images are left behind.  All the limitations of the personal unconscious are drowned out in the full light of the highest consciousness".
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Reply #23 - Dec 21st, 2005 at 11:42am
 
I'm assuming you guys' don't know for sure, but do you think (after physical death) we start lucid dreaming with other conscious spirits in the spirit world and higher dimensions?

All humans (and mammals) have REM sleep, and allows for projection. My English teacher said that sometimes when we are sleeping, our heart-beat reaches deadly low, and when that happens some of our subconscious mind kicks in and we dream. So, if our heart-beat stopped, it seems we'd be in our astral bodies and lucid dreaming, and therefore look lucid/transeparent like spirits.

I could be wrong.
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Reply #24 - Dec 21st, 2005 at 4:38pm
 
I agree Ryan but distortion and viewing is distorted when we project sometimes, but I believe that is down to us being down here and this world influencing our experience over there. When we truly past I believe its just like we are here, but over there and don't have these inconsistancies.

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Reply #25 - Dec 21st, 2005 at 4:50pm
 
Vicky,

  "The memories, the problems, the troubled dream images are left behind.  All the limitations of the personal unconscious are drowned out in the full light of the highest consciousness"."

We need those timeouts, don't we?!

RyanParis,

right, I don't know this for sure. Usually, "dream" is used as opposed to physical waking state, so it might be different when we do not have a physical body. I guess much will be different then. And further I guess we will be in contact with other spirits. Sort of earth-life will be just a dreamlike memory then.
Vicky reminded us once that "waking", "dreaming", "daydreaming" are not as well distinguishable and/or exclusive as we usually think- for example when we drive a car and think of other things so that we have nearly no memory of the driven way. So to start from a basic consciousness which can phase into different states (maybe even at the same time?) is appropriate. But how similar to life with physical body our experiences without it exactly will be, who can tell?
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