true Hiorta. there is such a law of attraction. a working law. it has to do with intentions held deeply in the subconscious areas, just until we become conscious of our intentions, why we came here in the first place, to gather experiences, while carrying around those deep intentions of the soul towards finding out who we really are. we are not groveling worms here standing before the image of a man made demon. sure we may manufacture devastating accidents and war for our reasons; we may surivive or we may die, reacess what was gained monumentally, then rest or dive back into life for another go with a slightly clarified approach and a desire to avoid what we had created previously. been there, done that, sort of knowledge added.

The bible is not the only tool we can learn things from, but from each other and a few shining avatars around who left us other fine books and examples. but there's certain things in the bible which inspired me and one those inspirations to think on is this:
If you stand before a mountain and have but the faith of a mustard seed and say "get thee hence from me" it shall be removed, even as strength is given to part the seas. the way I interpret this for myself is, if I am standing before what is "called" evil, what is called "demon" I can see it for what it really is at once, to it's core and reflect whether it is within myself as well. If I am standing there desiring to retain within myself what is life, what is a love of life, what is eternal, and I am radiating only this, the mountain shall be removed as easily as sun disapates shadow. If instead I relate that I too am holding the likeness of evil and feel deserving of punishment, and that this evil is a powerful thing to be able to punish me, I will succumb to the shadow within myself and the mountain for a time remains standing to block my way, but just until I find the mustard seed of faith and realize what is good within me is eternal, what is not good within me is an allusion and is temporary leering at me.

Fear not, for when there is love, there is not fear.
alysia

recoverer,

OK, let me get this straight.  You imagine that you're far too spiritual to ever be harmed by negative spirits.  Never mind that giants such as ES and Robert Bruce have both suffered possession despite their sterling character and protective measures.  You hide behind your lofty self-image as a substitute for actual investigation of the evidence about harm done by evil spirits, whether discarnate human or nonhuman demons.  Learn from Roger's sane approach: learn to know what you don't know.  Leave unpleasant possibilities open until you've engaged in a serious investigation.  Then dogmatism would at least become more excusable.

C'mon New Agers! I challenge you again.  Read either Malachi Martin's "Hostage to the Devil" or Larry Dossey's "Be Careful What You Pray For....' (an investigation of the lethal power of negative prayer in shamanism and elsewhere).  Otherwise, just admit that your rejection of evil spirits is as insipid as the chump who whistles by the graveyard.

Lucy's endorsement of Dannion Brinkley's view of negs is as probative as a congregation that nods their approval  at the evangelist's anti-evolutionary rant: "You can believe that man is the product of a baboon convention if you want to, but I, etc."

Don

agreed  Recoverer wholeheartedly your statements. I too put none on a pedestal...just as God will say I am not respector of persons, I too will align with that statement that we all have equal potential and opportunity to become enlightened. but not necessarily through proclaiming only this teacher or that teacher can guide us. the wisest teacher will release his students by giving them a question, not an answer to follow. and the wisest teacher will only say, now go and get your own experience and do not return to me until you have done this, and do not hold me in reverence, for I may not be here when u return to me, but by that time you may not even need me.

love and light to all, alysia

New Ager? Obviously you don't know me. After spending a number of years being mislead by Gurus who follow Eastern type thinking, I became adverse to being taken in by new age traps. I learned the hard way that in the end you can only rely on your own experience. It just so happens that some people who are categorized as new agers, have figured some things out. All new agers? Well of course not. I feel drawn to people who seem to have had experiences similar to my own, plus other experiences. Going by some of the things they say, it becomes clear that they know what they are talking about. It is doubtfull that an intellect could come up with the same thing.



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Don, you share your journey here with us and we but share our own. I do not know for certain what is on your table right now, but intuition tells me you lied to me in a private mail, that your cancer was cured. in that case if you are transitioning soon, there is great adventure awaiting you, this last adventure to see for yourself another dimension where you will continue your pursuits. If you fear this transition coming up for you, I can understand why you would tell me you are healed when perhaps it is simply what the doctors call a state of remission. you did not want me to think less of you that you will leave soon. I don't think less of you. I think of you all the time, that you will be ok. when I saw that you may be dying here my opinion changed of you. Instead of seeing you as a problem on the board I at once saw you really weren't a problem at all, you were simply screaming for love all this time. ACIM says we are either asking for love, or extending love at all times, and theres no shades of gray. well, we have not given you the love you want deep inside, and as Kathy points out, it's because you do not love yourself, or your life that was given, so you need to be reborn into spiritual areas. you could do that while you're still physically alive, but I do believe that you cannot humble yourself before your God. If you truly repented and forgave yourself you could be set free in an instant by your God, but as I see it, you await death to set you free instead. so be it. I wish you well whatever your choices of experience. I think great love awaits you eventually, but you may not find it on this particular board as you do not have any trust for what we believe. chin up Don, it's going to be a fantanstic ride, is death! not to worry! alysia

Alysia, there are some things that are meant to be private and personal.  Why in the world would you post on a public conversation board something that Don told you in a private message??

Not only did you reveal the cancer, you even went way beyond that by engaging in speculation as to whether Don lied to you and in fact is dying!!  I don't know if he is or isn't, but to put this sort of thing on the board is inexcusable.  Why didn't you just send Don a pm about your insensitive speculation?   

I really think what you did is way, way over the line.  And it also reminds me that you did the same thing in my case.  I had sent you a pm a few years ago regarding something that was personal, and I was floored to see it revealed in a day or two in one of your posts.  I never dreamed you would include it in your post, otherwise you can be assured I never would have told you.

I don't get it.  You seem to be a caring, sensitive person but no way would such a person do what you did.  No way.  Even if your speculation is correct, to post something like that is astonishing.  Your post #93 on the Swedenborg thread was also something that a caring, sensitive person would simply not do.   

I originally had drafted this as a pm to you, but why do that, it would only get posted on the board.

The lesson all of this brings is that no matter how much you think you "know" someone, you really don't and can't.  Alysia, your post makes me feel like taking a long shower. 

Shame on you for violating a confidence Don obviously had in you, and to speculate about his dying is beyond shame.  So much for all of this love and light.  In your case it's entirely bogus.

R

Roger: 
By god, you're a sane voice.

Alysia:
I echo Roger.  Perhaps you need to rethink your prespective.  You're not even echoing ACIM (I've read the Text, Manual for Teachers, & gone through the Workbood twice).

Kathy:
Don has never tried to "force feed" his belief system; he wants people to think.  Yes, his intentions are very honourable.  You & Alysia seem to patronize him.

Don:
I'm going to miss you.  Your postings have been invaluable to me.

Here's 5 points for team A. But it goes back to team B and they get 5 points. Yeah, but that lashing works out to 10 points for team A. Yeah but.............................................................................
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