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B-dawg
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Re: The amazing thing about it all
Reply #15 - Sep 27th, 2005 at 4:54am
 
It troubles me that sooo many people are stuck in C1.

It's hard trying to have a discussion about the Afterlife with those in C1. They look at you like you're insane - a wishful thinker that needs to join the 21st century of science and evolution theory.

Tis a shame that people do not realise their potential. I'm sure there would be alot more happiness in the world if people knew the truth.
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I don't know about that.
I used to be a complete C1 thinker. I look back
on that as the good old days.
I've been compelled, however, by metaphysical
thinking since I was a kid ("gee, does daddy see
the same blue as I see, or would HIS blue be RED
to me" and so forth. I remember wondering what
would happen to me when I died, when I was SIX YEARS OLD. And my dad tried to raise me as an atheist!)
In the last couple of years, "spiritual" matters have become a compulsion for me (accounting for about 60% of my time on the Web...)
Would not the world be happier, if they'd never
heard of HELL? (It probably exists.)
Think about that.

Chumley
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Re: The amazing thing about it all
Reply #16 - Sep 27th, 2005 at 5:58am
 
Chumley,

I truly feel sorry for you.  Many of your assumptions are simply incorrect.  A scientist named Lashley did experiments with mice, where he would train them to run a certain maze.  Then, he would remove sections of their brain, figuring he could localize memories of how to run the maze.  No matter how he burned their little brains (disgusting as that is to animal lovers like myself), the rats maintained their memory.  He came to the conclusion, that consciousness/memory for them was not in any one location in the brain, but everywhere at once.  This right brain/left brain dictum is greatly overstated.  There are neuronal pathways interconnecting our brains in many convoluted ways.  I believe, myself that Lashley is correct, in that the brain is more of a receiver of the spirit than the creator of our thoughts.  But the dualism you see.  Conscious/unconscious, right brain/left brain, is all a construct of our intellect, and is not real.

Freud postulated the id/ego/and superego.  His theories held true for many situations.  Your hypothesis doesn't ring true for him.  These are all intellectual constructs.  They are interesting, but come and go.

The notion that I am divided in two is, to me ridiculous.  Most spiritual teachings and religions consider the true nature of all things to be connected and one.  These divisions are mental constructs, employed by our rational minds. 

For those who have explored into F27, and with astral projection, many have reported visiting memory centers and having past live memories restored.  Completely restored - if this is to be believed.  I'm still on the fence about this.

Descartes wrestled with these issues, but finally said "I think therefore I am."  This is you, your conscious mind with thought and intent.  In meditation, you can merge with a more universal mind and soul, and truly learn new things.

If you take your conscious thoughts to a dark and fearful place, and if thought is all there is when we pass, than for a time, a person is most likely to experience dark and fearful things.  I choose not to  do so.

Best to you,

Matthew
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Reply #17 - Sep 27th, 2005 at 8:10am
 
I feel that many people over-complicated the workings of the Afterlife and the Soul.

I have been reading vasts amount of Afterlife material. Here is what I have learned so far.

1. We are spirit beings by nature. That is to say, we are not physical beings first, spirit beings second. We are spirit beings first, physical beings second. Ironic, eh?

2. Our time on Earth is a chance to learn, grow and experience. What happens if I push the star shape through the square hole? Think of that analogy but on a much more advanced level.

3. The Afterlife is an automatic, sub-concious reflection of your mind. For example, supposing you love pumpkins for whatever reason. Once in the Afterlife, you won't have to 'desire' pumpkins, they'll just be there. Imagine walking across the glorious fields of the Afterlife and then surprise, surprise - you discover acres and acres of beautiful, orange pumpkins! Each one a perfect specimen!

There is no such thing as Hell. Just like pumpkins, you'd have to love a Hellish environment in order to exist in a form of Hell. Hell to some is Heaven to others.

However, when souls get trapped between realms things become a little more complicated. Undecided

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Reply #18 - Sep 27th, 2005 at 3:14pm
 
Chumley said
"In the last couple of years, "spiritual" matters have become a compulsion for me (accounting for about 60% of my time on the Web...)"

Are you also researching and trying real life spiritual adventures?  For me the experience goes hand in hand with the reading and investigative aspect of it.  The "aha" may come after some time of sifting through both kinds of learning. 

It's good to see you again--your "penmanship" is a bit  softer to the ear...

love, blink Smiley
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Interesting idea you brought up, Luke...
Reply #19 - Sep 27th, 2005 at 11:49pm
 
You said that if you love pumpkins for whatever
reason, they'll be everywhere in the afterlife?
For as long as I can remember, I've had a passion
for weapons... shooting and collecting firearms,
throwing knives, and a more than passing interest
in the martial arts. Most of my friends have
shared these interests.
I'm a HUGE believer in the Second Amendment, and
an innocent person's right to kill an attacking thug
if necessary. (No "turn the other cheek" for
me!)
I also like to get a little pied on Saturday
nights (NOT drunk mind you, just happy.)
I also enjoy hunting, fishing, ect.
I'm an admirer of Robert Heinlein's work and LIKE most of his political ideas.
I'm a military history buff as well.
SO...
Some people call these things EVIL...
What awaits ME in the afterlife? (I don't plan
on getting into floristry, stamp collecting, knitting,
or sock-drawer arranging anytime soon
to replace these interests..!)

Chumley
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Reply #20 - Sep 28th, 2005 at 12:29am
 
Well, that's pretty much self-explanatory, isn't it.  Cheesy

In the Afterlife, there's enough room for everyone to have their own private universe.
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Reply #21 - Sep 28th, 2005 at 3:42pm
 
If you think about it.

If everyone thought the afterlife was 100% certain, then alot of people would just quit the toughest challenges in life, and end it.

i would'nt consider a broken neck and 60 years sat in a wheel chair, a lesson, id think of it as a punishment, and would you continue with life if you had to live under such conditions unless you knew you would be punished for quiting this existance?.

Yet since you cannot guarentee the continuation of your consciousness/soul, then people cling to life, and live the lesson they were ment to ( if you belive this sort of thing).

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Reply #22 - Sep 28th, 2005 at 5:15pm
 
That's one way to look at it, Spitfire. 

Another is that, like Christopher Reeves, a person can choose to live out a higher purpose than that of their own pleasure.  I'm sure there were many days he wished he had not survived, but he found the strength to live on for his wife and son, and found worthwhile things to do for his fellow men, all while never giving up hope that he might forge new ground in finding new medical advances for his condition.  The world needs more people like him.  His was a meaningful existence, even after a terrible accident and a fate that many would shun.

love, blink
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Reply #23 - Sep 28th, 2005 at 5:39pm
 
I'm sorry spitfire,

I think you would find the reverse in fact ,if everyone new for a fact! that there is something so wonderful so amazing that they separated themselves from it. So they could grow and become more than they where, they then would try even harder to complete there programs, because they would know without question, its so Worth the effort.

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Hey, Spitfire...
Reply #24 - Sep 28th, 2005 at 7:29pm
 
You sound like a man(? you didn't specify your gender, or if you did, I missed it) after my own heart.
Go to the top of this page (page 2 on this thread) and read what I wrote up there in response to DocM's header post.
There is evidence that the ancients who first conceived of the afterlife, WEREN'T trying to comfort themselves... they were more, well, DESPERATE to try to save themselves from what they thought would naturally happen to their MINDS after their bodies were sloughed off.
Also check out:

http://ww.divisiontheory.com/

And see what you think.
The website proprietor (Novak) maintains a Christian perspective on this ancient theory (which is found in different cultures all over the world) but it is not necessary to be a Christian (I'm not) to see the implications of the theory, and cast some light on the historical (and even pre-historic!) roots of religion (which you are QUITE interested in, unless I miss my guess.)

Chumley
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Reply #25 - Sep 28th, 2005 at 8:05pm
 
MagicBullet said, "There is no such thing as Hell. Just like pumpkins, you'd have to love a Hellish environment in order to exist in a form of Hell. Hell to some is Heaven to others."

I like this statement very much.  I think we seldom notice the power that we each have over our perceptions.  Perhaps it is premature to label a place which we find uncomfortable as "bad" or "hell"--and our own comfort level changes constantly anyway.  What was hell to us yesterday might be quite pleasant today.  And the opposite too.  It is all our own interpretation, isn't it?

What is "light" to me may be garish brightness to another.  What is pitch black to you may be a rather pleasant gloom to me. 

When I am aware enough to examine my own discomforts with self and other I can often find that they are inconsequential.   Thanks for this reminder.

love, blink
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Reply #26 - Sep 29th, 2005 at 3:10am
 
@ Blink: You make a good point, but im sure that superman, if given the choice would not have chosen to live a higher purpose and would have kept his mobility.

Alot of people, are bound my things other then love, such as, honor, dutie to ones family as you said, this to me could be a form of love, for it's a decision you must make each and every day. But on the other hand, he's not given the choice, because of what he believes in, i dont know where he is religous or not, but we all fear what we cant sense, and ending ones life, is not an easy task, unless your mental state is very degraded.

Most people, no matter how badly injured would not choose to end there life, because the body's instincts of self presevation are to strong to overcome.

Even he has some things going for him. He has a family, fame, a purpose.

People who i feel worst for are those who have no supportive family, no fame, and seemingly no purpose in life except to suffer.

Then again if i knew 100% id get somthing out of it at the end of my life, i would put up with it. But since we mortal beings dont get a how existence works manual, it's hard to know whats best for anyone.

@ Chum: Indeed im an 18 your old guy, and you make a good point, i think the "you get to do whatever you like best all the time in the afterlife", is abit of a falicy.

For if the afterlife does exist, then you will no longer have a pshyical body giving you urges, such as eating, sleeping, drinking, running a marathon etc.

Which is why i guess we come down to earth etc to have experience's which we cant in the afterlife (if it exists).

i have read a few books which claim, ancient people lived on earth, long ago, im not very inclined to believe this, because theres no evidence, not 1 artifact etc, you can often find some trace of man, somewhere, unless the full earth has gone and flipped it's entire crust.

The best proof for an afterlife ive seen, are mainly NDe's, (Near death experiences). As they sound logical to me, and also Plausable with modern neuro since explaining that our conscoiusness operates at a quantum level. And they say how it can leave the reciever of the brain when a persons body comes near to death.

Im not to sure about being able to visit the afterlife totally unless you meet this requirement, it seems to me if you think about a subject for hours on end, when you sleep or enter a trance, your dream will evolve around what you have previously been thinking of.

Look into edgar casey's work also, i find it very intresting, especially since he could get very accurate infomation about things without being there.

Id try to look at the link, but it seems it's down or incorrect.

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Reply #27 - Sep 29th, 2005 at 7:07am
 
MagicBullet,

Just one more thought regarding superman.  You know, he rode horses very well.  He believed in his ability to ride horses well because of his past experiences riding horses.  Knowing that the possibility of great accidents are always possible when riding such a powerful creature, he still rode the horse.

Life is like that.  We choose it.  We keep riding the horse, don't we?  It's big and powerful and will regularly throw us off its back.  But we should always try to recover the best that we can because a man or woman riding the horse well is such a splendid and amazing thing, isn't it? 

love, blink  Smiley
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