Hi all,

     My name is Matthew, and I am new to this board, and concepts about the afterlife and the physical world - as discussed by spritiualists, "new age" theorists and the Monroe institute.  These new concepts ring true to me, however. 
     In my readings on these topics, it appears that there is a common idea that thought in the afterlife and indeed in our own physical reality can immediately translate into reality - perhaps more easily in the afterlife.  In the writings of Jane Roberts, who used to channel ideas from an entity called "Seth," it was explicitly stated that although our physical reality runs under common rules and laws, our thoughts, both positive and negative tend to create our own realities.  One may look at this and say "wait, that's too simple.  I'll wish for riches, fame, etc. and poof! it should appear."  But that, as I understand it does not usually work because intent is not there.  We have negative thoghts, doubts, scepticism, that may conflict with a stated intention or wish.  Everyone can't win the lottery.

     For me, this concept is crucial to knowledge of the human soul and afterlife.  If thought, intent and belief are translated immediately in the afterlife, and more subtley in the real/physical world, what does that tell us about our own beliefs?   If Jesus were not the mesiah, but billions of people have focused their intents and beliefs into him as a deity, does the belief of billions alone make him one?  If thought makes our realities, then our state of mind in death/dying is crucial in order to pass on in an enlightened way.

     I know this may sound obscure, but I would like to get input from others here as to what they think about thought, intent, and creating reality.


M

Hey, you two ought to read Mindscape by Bruce A. Vance.  Trust me, it is worth the read.

Vicky

Thanks for the replies.  The case mentioned of the hollow heavens is a perfect example.  We all, I think believe that truth can not be completely arbitrary.  Many on this board believe in the golden rule, karma, and or ultimately a true "good."

However, the suicide bomber who dies killing dozens of innocent people may believe he/she is going straight to heaven/Allah ( with 70 virgins, etc).  I find it hard, in my gut to understand or accept that this bomber's belief/intent could make it so, and that he or she would not in some way have to cleanse his or her soul of the wrong done to those people.

This is where intent, thought, and belief come in to play.  This is, I believe an important issue.

Matthew

Hi there. I've thought about how to create my own reality seriously starting in about the year 2000, I mean the question didn't come up until then...lol..must have been busy with other stuff. so I would like to take your post and see what comes up for me in it point by point and I'm so glad you brought up these questions so thanks.
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Mathew said:  it appears that there is a common idea that thought in the afterlife and indeed in our own physical reality can immediately translate into reality - perhaps more easily in the afterlife.  In the writings of Jane Roberts, who used to channel ideas from an entity called "Seth," it was explicitly stated that although our physical reality runs under common rules and laws, our thoughts, both positive and negative tend to create our own realities.
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me:  the way I see it, and I get my ideas also from reading books btw and anywhere else I can do that as well as experiences, my pov is that Seth is talking about 2 levels of reality making: 1) consensus agreement; ie: the world is flat.
2) the intention of the individual soul to manifest that intention into the area of physicality. this could be called "remembering who you are." your belief systems produce a particular viewing point or perception. the perception is only a perception and is not absolute reality. absolute reality cannot be established in science yet, and in our personal lives, if you find anything that is absolute and wholly true, please get back with me!
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Mathew:
     For me, this concept is crucial to knowledge of the human soul and afterlife.  If thought, intent and belief are translated immediately in the afterlife...
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me: I can say from my experience within retrievals and other sources of reading..that, and I am speaking only of those I have retrieved and also from an NDE, which told me something about what it feels like to be dead..that the thought process, on the first level of being dead, which I term astral level is vastly slowed down, thus the term "stuckness" that TMI gives us. moving parties to focus 27 gets the thought/entity moving again a little faster. only speaking of those who may not have belief nor paradigm built for what awaits for them on the other side.
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Mathew:
If thought makes our realities, then our state of mind in death/dying is crucial in order to pass on in an enlightened way.
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ok, that appears to be an absolutely correct remark and the reason I say this is because there are certain things I believe within the bible which is: every jot and tittle is accounted for, which means to me every thought you've ever had since day one is on file in the sky. every deed you have done likewise is on file. if you have hurt somebody intentionally, that too is on file, and u can bet that soul will let u know about it. (call it karma) hee. I can see this in my head; the hijackers getting this lecture never ending from the passengers of the airplane: well, you really flubbed that up, now didn't you???? u can bet in the afterlife, if there has been a perceived and unforgiven injustice to the least of these, that there are justice seekers creating the balance out there. thats their job. no one gets a free ride to heaven, whatever the heck heaven is. don't ask me!
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my sister didn't make it to heaven. I can only talk about my family connections here with any credibility, because you all have to experience your own reality or u won't believe anything someone tells you.
thats fine. I just work here (hi Dave!) my sister died young around age 40. my sister never read much material or had any particular religious beliefs about the afterlife and she liked to hold grudges. so when she went to the other side she stayed on the astral planes, taking care of horses, she was good at that. she had certain expectations that she would enter the energy fields of those of her family and gather some support there, some love, some glad tidings perhaps. The thing I've learned about the afterlife is how important relationships are, whether there is forgiveness operating there. so she gravitated over to mother; they had parted on a sour note which happens..unfortunately, sis had appeared in her 12 yr.old appearance, for this we can do. sis had always been concerned with her looks, and she liked this age, for she surmised that at this age, mother had loved her and shared with her the most. so, rats, mom didn't recognize her! not being recognized made sis angry and some other phenonmenon happened around her expressions of frustration and anger and not receiving love or closure on the relationship. so all this is to say, we carry whatever our last thoughts, problems, feelings, creations, relationships, intentions, right into the death area. we're the same person and not instantly transformed into somebody we only wished we were. we make our own afterlife situation, in conjunction with others, but we do it here, not over there, faster growth is possible here, as it was so hard for sis to communicate with those in physical that she wished right away to make up for the hurt she caused us. she even came to me to try to make things right. I too, turned her away in my error, for she had disowned me long ago. some souls spend a lot of time trying to make things right, so that it is far better to make it right on the physical plane as it's so much easier to cross over with a clear conscious and no karma to drag around

Blink's distinction is crucial, but I would take his point one step further.  The unqualified notion that we could create our own reality if we could really manifest "intent" is is not only false but harmful.

I have known Christians who were absolutely convinced that they had the faith (= intent) to heal their loved one.  So they ignored medical advice that life-saving surgery was required and their loved one tragically died.  They ignored the evidence for Jesus' belief that the medical profession is just as much a gift from God as faith healing.  They were sincere and the unqualifed intent was there, but the underlying worldview advocated by Seth and others proved a cruel hoax. 

Don

Matthew, you have made my point.  We must not "ignore the help that the real world could provide" precisely because pure intent is not enough to create our own reality.  It is enough to place our own "spin" on reality.  And that spin can be Sethian, Christian, or any belief system.

In fairness, you will find Seth sympathizers on this site.  I am not one of them.  I have already posted my case that Seth's system is self-contradictory and  inadequate as an explanation of unfair suffering.  But most damning for me is the evident falsehood of his reincarnation claims when they can be checked historically.  That said, I encourage you to post pro-Sethian ideas.  If you do, you will find many sympathetic readers.

Don

Themes from this thread are running through me today. I've had many repeated experiences whose implications have become very hard to ignore any longer. Repeated experiences in the waking state where "I" am everybody and every form seen. These were uncomfortable the first many times. ( I have had such a deep-rooted sense of being a separate "me", to experience something otherwise in the midst of daily life felt threatening to my sense-of-separation) It doesn't feel uncomfortable when these visceral experiences occur these days. It's been a long process. The big implication I have tried so hard to ignore can be stated as something like "There is only one Me". It's not that we all share one mind, but that we ARE one mind. Every life I see is Me. There are not separate lives on this planet, it's all one life....  O.K; let me bring it further into daily life. I am politically engaged. I feel concern about the current political situation. Yet, can I ignore that George Bush is Me?  Or when someone says something sarcastic, that I'm getting upset at my Self? And yet life is change. Things are changing in this world. I wish to contribute in a positive way. Does being concerned of the political state of things foster the old sense-of-separation? Or is there a way to be engaged in wholeness? Friends, I'm thinking aloud here and I'm grateful for the space to do it. I don't expect my words to make sense to anybody and I don't blame you if you stopped reading long ago. Somehow it's helpful for me to write this out. There is something about Intent in all of this, but now I need to jump off the 'puter and tend to dinner, I hope to explore with you all further, not necessarily about this specific post but certainly about consciousness and life. Best to you all, Tim F.

Hello Matthew and welcome!

Below is the thread I started that Tim mentioned in his first reply.  This subject is one that is fascinating to me.  I have not read any of the Seth material, but have read some Elias whom I hear is similar.  From the little I have read of Elias, I have not found very much that I would disagree with.

In the thread I started the idea that we are our beliefs I think is what Tim is touching on here.  I'm short on time at the moment, but to put it in simple terms... everything I know... everything I am is belief... there is nothing that I know of that is not belief.  My beliefs became a part of myself based on my experiences.  What is truth for me may not be true for someone else as all truth is based on belief.  Our intention is what guides our beliefs regardless of whether it is conscious or unconscious.  I also think our beliefs are not only based from experiences of this life, but from all lives lived.   

Lately I have been taking a hard look at quantum physics, especially in relationship to healing.  I just finished reading a book, "The Quantum Doctor" written by a physicist, Amit Goswami and found it explained much of my experience with laying on of hands healing or what I tend to call spiritual healing.  This, in conjunction with traditional medicine seems to offer much to each of us.  I'm a psychologist by profession and also tend to think there is a psychological factor involved in healing as well.

Love and Light,
Kathy   

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