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Traveller
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About LOVE again
Aug 30th, 2005 at 6:49am
 
More and more I have the feeling I bring up many sad topics, but I need advice because I need to strengthen at some level.

This topic is about the "misuse of love". By not giving you the topic right away, I somehow tricked you into reading this. This is misuse at some level.

I hope you can forgive me, because I am trying to explain something.

I have people that I love and that use this love, to get from me what they want me to give them. They also threaten with non-said statements such as "If you do not act as I want, I will say you are not loving and destroy your image and you will receive less love."

So, this brings up a situation, in which you have to stay loving, but at the same time pay attention. But if you shield yourself too much, you are also punishing yourself by not letting the energy of love reach out of the shield you constructed to protect yourself.

So, the shield is like fear, but without the shield, there are other consequences, which might create more suffering to yourself and others. (I know I can deal with the suffering, but I am surrounded by other people who do not have that capacity. They say I am different. They say I have never been like any other child.)

Am I the only one here to have such complicated issues?

Do you have advice to give or opinions to share?

With love,

Traveller

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Reply #1 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 7:22am
 
Traveller,

It sounds to me like you are having some personal boundary issues with your family and are working on creating a strong personal identity for yourself while also trying to get your emotional needs met. 

You can work on these issues with a counselor where you live if you like.  It appears to me that you are a strong person, and that your level of understanding of your situation is high.

As you work on establishing healthy boundaries it is natural that those around you will feel uncomfortable.  Don't let this keep you from the love you deserve.  Loving yourself is the most important thing you can do, and you are doing it.

You also might try regularly using some supportive CDs such as those by Louise Hay (spelling? Hays?) to strengthen your perspective right now.  Make sure to chose those whose imagery resonates with you so that you can accept the imagery.

much love, blink
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Reply #2 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 7:35am
 
Traveller,

Her name is Louise L. Hay.  She has many books and cds available online and in bookstores which are helpful in disfunctional relationships.  She is highly regarded in this area.

love, blink
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Reply #3 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 9:51am
 
hi There Traveller. sounds a bit like a road you travel I just got off of not too long ago; hang in there, I think your trait of honesty is going to pull you thru. it's hard I know as some of these experiences and growth cycles we go thru are happening below the conscious mind but you are writing them down and bring them into the conscious area this way. regarding the need to shield ourselves from hurt we perceive from coming from others: you might try to reflect on something from A Course in Miracles I have carried with me for years "Nothing real can be threatened, nothing unreal exists."
Heres how I see that; or as President Kennedy would say "Let me say this about that!" lol.
whatever an other person says to you, and this includes family members or just acquaintenances, they are really talking about themselves. it has nothing to do with your intrinsic self which cannot be threatened. I would take everything personally when I was on this road to understanding what relationships of all kinds were for and about. when the other presents u with an idea that is unreal to you and asks you to accept it as truth u must first listen to your inner guidance which is offering a choice to you whether u shall buy it, or just realize that by bouncing off your "differences" they then are defining themselves, not you. to be loving, to show love, to bring it forth here, never means to allow your intrinsic self to be a doormat.
either one is expressing love, or one is expressinig fear, there are no shades of gray to worry over misinterpretation. if it's not feel good love, it's feel bad fear. when we get to the place where we defend ourselves reactionary no more, we are almost there; when we only feel love and no longer fear anything, but instead begin to trust that love inside of us then we have arrived and there is nothing else to experience but that completion of knowing you are love. nothing can touch you after this; I repeat "fear constructs cannot touch that". people can share their journeys with you, but you are the one to study and learn of how the mind is a programmed thing with it's belief systems uploaded; the computer is not your intrinsic self. your intrinsic self is love. be proud you are different. it's not a bad thing to be....
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Reply #4 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 1:38pm
 
Dear Traveller,

There's no deception happening, you are talking very honestly about love. I am on the path too, so you are not alone, looks like we're traveling together.

Your questions and explorations make me feel you are expressing love here, your questions help to guide others.

Others test us, freinds, loved ones, bank tellers and telemarketers, unintentionally, to try different ways of doing this love thing.

I like to think to myself, when I am having a particularly hard time of it, "Thank goodness I won't have to do this again, live this ______ moment as me, because I've done it, it is done! Hooray!". Maybe it sounds silly, but gets me into a better perspective, a much happier and relaxed outlook.

Please keep posting Traveller.

Love, Carolyn


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Reply #5 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 1:55pm
 
yes, please keep posting as I find your posts valuable. some have called it being on a love path, and when you live within a technology age, it could be a little hard to find others on the same sort of path. nonetheless I sense many travelers here who travel with me. Grin
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Reply #6 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 5:30pm
 
Hi Traveller-

That path is sometimes called bhakta yoga, the path of love and oneness. (The other two basic paths are jnana, or wisdom, and karma, or action, and these are often rolled into a single path called raja, entailing all three at once.)

As I read your post I was led to think of a number of women that I occasionally see on street corners. If I give them a certain amount of money, they offer to give me love. Except, when it's put that way, it isn't love. (By the way, not to sound sexist, I also have seen a few men offering something similar, but there seem to be more women in the business.)

When your friends offer to give you love in return for services rendered, there is a certain similarity to those people on the street corners. That kind of "love" is worth a little less than it costs in effort to obtain it.

Love is not something received. Love is an active state of extending yourself to include others within your inner being. It has nothing to do with their willingness to reciprocate. Love is the glue that binds everything together, and that keeps us united with our Source.

By loving, you grow, blossom, and become like a beautiful flower that others can enjoy. If you happen to live amongst thistles and skunk cabbage, that does not diminish your own beauty and value as a loving person.

Perhaps those around you still need more insight and development to find that they are missing an opportunity to share themselves with you. Too bad for them. If they fail to take advantage of the opportunity, they are the losers. You, on the other hand, need not sell yourself to gain their approval. Your job on earth has nothing to do with living up to the desires, expectations or exploittions of others.

When we think of love, we might view it as soft, but it is the ultimate power. Like flowing water, softness is deceptive, and after a few years even granite is worn away. Just so with love. After a few years even the hardest hearts are softened by the presence of unconditional love.

Love cannot be bought, nor can it be sold. It is a willingness to be one with others, to be compassionate, to care. Nothing has to be added, merely the attitude of itself is sufficient. Beyond that, do whatever is convenient, according to your own needs, and if that serves others, that's OK. If not, that's OK too.

In fact, if others bother you with unreasonable requests and demands, there's nothing wrong with avoiding them. It does not serve them well to constantly give them what they demand in order to acquire their positive regard, because it rewards a bad habit. (The parallel is to compare a man who works hard to gain a single wife, and who loves, as compared to one who buys services at the street corner and later finds that life is very empty.) To love others, but to do only that which is appropriate for you is a better strategy, because you serve their true needs for growth better in that way, and you don't do things that don't work for you. Makes sense, eh?

Love-
dave
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Reply #7 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 5:44pm
 
thanks Dave. u do have a way about you Grin
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Reply #8 - Aug 30th, 2005 at 6:10pm
 
Hi Traveller,
on this
>>>I have people that I love and that use this love, to get from me what they want me to give them. They also threaten with non-said statements such as "If you do not act as I want, I will say you are not loving and destroy your image and you will receive less love."<<<
it came on my mind: Think they are children, and when you give love to them you give them what they need, and YOU did it and you can be proud of it; they cannot extort you by threatening you giving you not the feeling to be loved anymore, you don't need this kind of "love", that are just childish might-games, they are just children who don't know better.
bye, spooky
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Reply #9 - Sep 3rd, 2005 at 7:41pm
 
Hi Spooky-  LOL

Blessed are the damned, for when they know better, their lives will go better.
Let's hope that's soon.
Meanwhile, we'll love them, but we'll look elsewhere for appropriate companionship.

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