As long as folks keep spreading fear of the afterlife and exploration/communication with same in an over generalized, extreme, and non discriminating manner, then this self will continue to counter balance that with balance, discrimination, methods/means of positive, helpful contact, and lack of fear.

Justin, another thought.

In a way Don should go more with what you and I say, because we say that there are unfriendly beings that don't have a human origin, while Emanuel said that evil beings are the spirits of former humans.

Don, I think it's time for those two to get a room. Their foolish ping pong posts are not only juvenile but consistently miss the point.

R

  Hi Don,

   Folks who have paid attention to my postings here, already know I'm not a big fan of classic OBE exploring. I've talked several times of how Rosalind McKnight's work, as primarily outlined in her first book Cosmic Journeys is one of the relative few that I find very fast vibratory/expanded, balanced, holistic, more accurate and helpful than not.

    I've talked about how I very much agree with her main guide "Ah So" (not his real name, but a label that Bob Monroe gave him) and his system of categorization of different levels.  I'll try to briefly summarize it (again):

   According to Ah So, in the human energy system, we have 5 main levels or "bodies".  You have the most dense and slowest vibratory level/body which is the physical.  Then you have the etheric which is a bit more expanded/faster vibratory, the emotional, the mental, and the spiritual--each successive one being a more expanded/faster vibratory level of perception and experience. 

    Ah So says that when someone has a classic OBE, they are phasing much of their consciousness focus into the "etheric".  Because it's only a bit faster vibratory than the physical, there are some of the same limitations and human hangups, like fear, attachment to material activities and focuses.  As a side note, most people that are "classically stuck", are stuck in this etheric level.

    He says that there is less protection for the physical body level when a person phases into the etheric--hence, there is more concern for possession and influence--also partly because of the fear aspects of self are stronger here (Like attracts and begets Like in other words). 

    Ah So's teachings were proven to me by experience. It was after I became involved with a certain book/course, and for awhile even after I dropped it, I went through the most slow vibratory/selfish/limited/unbalanced cycle in my life. I was really not my normal self during this time.  Interestingly, it was the only time I remember having classic OBE's. 

   In hindsight, I've figured out that when I meditate, I usually phase into the emotional and most often mental levels.  The faster the vibratory level and in a sense the "further away from" the dense physical, the more and more one's experiences and perceptions in these more expanded/faster vibratory levels, start to seem less and less "real" to a human.  For the very reason that they are very different from the physical. (Unlike the etheric level perception/experience which isn't that far off/different). 

    Ah So said that "Jesus", regularly phased into his spiritual level/body, even while conscious and involved in material activities, and that's why he could disappear in a crowd or the like.  Because the spiritual level is in complete control of all the slower vibratory levels he could do this and other "miracles". 
   Or in another sense, you could say that Yeshua could so raise the vibrations of his physical body, as to temporarily appear invisible to most humans of the time. 

    Now, if he had done this while say the Baptist was around, likely the Baptist might still be able to perceive him, because he likewise was more intune with his faster vibratory levels, though not to the degree that Yeshua was.

  So in a very loose sense, you could say that I agree with the video some. I wasn't actually responding to you or the video to begin with.  Hope this helps and clears up some stuff.  I don't particularly recommend classic OBE's, but some folks need them as training wheels at first. 

Recoverer 2 wrote on May 23^rd, 2017 at 5:54pm:


Applied to my analogy, it would be like tuning into love and praying to God right before jumping into the pool. Of course, it was an extreme example. A more practical analogy would be like entering a pool that will poison you only if the liquid enters your body, keeping in mind the likelihood of this happening is probably high enough to warrant careful consideration.


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Assuming that this were true, it would make sense that these unfriendly beings would have even stronger influence of a person if one were to willingly end their life, as they'd likely be going into the nonphysical reality that the unfriendlies inhabit, a place in which these beings could affect them in a more direct way. I'm not so sure the analogy works.

TheDonald wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 3:08pm:


Don,

You say this kind of thing repeatedly, and it makes me so curious to know what your point is.  Is it your point to point out that ES had a greater ability than most?  Is it your point to discredit anyone else who isn't as great, in your view, as ES was?

Your presence here seems to imply a strong need for you to find someone, anyone, who you think is as good as ES, and that thus far you haven't found one single person.  If we were to take ES out of the picture for a moment so that you don't have him to compare anyone to, what would be your interest in astral projection and afterlife exploration?  If you had no one to look up to that impresses you like ES, would you yourself want to learn to explore and have your own experiences?  And would you continue those pursuits until you fully satisfied your curiosity?   

I don't bother comparing myself to anyone.  It doesn't serve me to do that.  I enjoy learning from others and being inspired by them, but just because someone may seem more impressive than myself doesn't make my experiences any less valuable, less real, or less meaningful to me.  I've grown most from my own direct experience.   

As for verification, I don't see it as the end-all of an experience.  You gave an example of a dream of your dad visiting you, but he didn't speak to you and therefore you don't believe it was a real visit.  I can see your point in that statement but only from a flat, logic standpoint.  From another perspective, you could look at that experience another way, however only you can do this since it's your experience, not anyone else's.  But another way to perceive is to feel, and feeling is the most basic, raw, natural, unfiltered sense of perception.  Our perception can be blocked without us even knowing it.  When we aren't able to pay attention to those basic, raw, natural feeling-senses, we tend to believe the logic that goes through our heads because it becomes the first thing we notice, when in fact we missed out on the actual first thing that we should have noticed, a feeling sense.  I've been studying this for many, many years and in my opinion that makes me at least somewhat pretty darn qualified to say that I know what I'm talking about. 

This is why practicing opening perception is far more important than searching for verifiable evidence and facts.  Verifiable things are a great boost to one's confidence, and they are quite exciting, but they aren't the holy grail of experience. 

Like your example of the dream of your dad....I too have had many experiences of visits from my dad since his death in 2010.  Some were visits while I was dreaming, some were OBEs, and some were in the waking state.  I don't have any real proof to speak of, at least nothing that's going to impress you!  Nonetheless, verification isn't necessary for the purpose of Dad's visits. 

If I had been of the frame of mind to balk at Dad's visits for their lack of "bonafide verification", oh what I would have missed out on!!  The love experienced of these visits is MY verification that they are real.  So you see why I couldn't care less if my experiences impress you or anyone else?  Sure, it's great when someone loves to hear my experiences and they tell me it inspired them.  But it's not my goal to impress anybody.  It serves me nothing to impress people. 

I admit, Don, I don't read much of your posts, so maybe there are posts you share which talk about your ability to perceive nonphysically, about your experiences of PUL and ability to expand your awareness and perception beyond its normal limits??  It just seems to me that you are not even impressed with many of your own experiences. 

Vicky:

I believe one can learn more from one's own experiences than from ES's or somebody else's experiences.

Rosalind Mcknight's book "Cosmic Journeys" says that some people help with retrievals while asleep, without knowing that they are doing so. Her book says to ask you higher self if you are helping in some way. Perhaps Don's lucid dream served such a purpose. Perhaps it didn't serve the purpose of providing a verification that included doing something such as looking up an obituary.

One thing a person can be quite certain of, if he or she gives it a try, is that he or she is in contact with trustworthy spirit beings. If such beings let you know about things such as taking part in retrievals, you can believe what they show you.

If a person has a very limited framework with which he or she will view things, his or her spirit friends might have difficulty communicating with such a person. It might be better if such spirit friends give up trying.


Vicky wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 1:12am: