First of all, hello Dave. In my reply below, please note that I'm only responding to your points, and they are not meant to be personal. I understand you're a therapist yourself, and that you're doing good work in helping many intraphysical and extraphysical consciousnesses through your practice.
dave_a_mbs wrote :
Quote:I'm sorry that Bill Balwin passed on, but he opened many doors through which he is still visible.
Yes, William Baldwin has contributed much to humanity and the clinical community in his pioneering work in the field of Spirit Releasement Therapy, he has more than likely achieved existential completism, and his passing should be viewed by all only in Love, not sadness. His legacy to the world is tremendous. He is probably continuing his work on the extraphysical right now, lecturing and teaching in extraphysical courses.
Quote:However, as we read of "dark forces" and such, we must also remember that these are souls, fragments of the same God-stuff that forms all souls, but that they are misguided, and Baldwin was well aware of this.
Firstly, that is what I had said, if you had read my post completely. DFEs have only been misled to falsely believe they do not have the spark of God within. Again, in case you missed it, I quoted William Baldwin as saying, "
"These errant dark beings are transformed by discovering the truth of what they are. They drop their illusion of darkness before returning to the Light, and the place they are taken by the Rescue Spirits of Light is safe, both for them and the Light. They are the prodigal sons of God. Witnessing the transformation of a demon can be deeply moving. Some observers have wept during such a session. It feels like a holy moment."
Note, however, that DFEs were never human souls. William Baldwin (and others) were well aware of this. This is one misconception some harbour, that DFEs ('demonic') are human souls or psychotic post mortems ('ghosts'). Then there is nested attachment/intrusion, in which, for eg. DFEs attach to an ET which attach to a human psychotic post mortem which attach to an intraphysical ('living') human being. This is only a simplified, linear scenario, of course in reality it is often much compounded.
Quote:To say that love is inappropriate is like suggesting that when we find a demented or sick person we sould attack them.
Incorrect, on three counts.
(On the first count)
Love is always appropriate for the spark of God within *all* beings, but innappropriate for (ie. to be beamed directly at) the shell of darkness which strong, intelligent, 'high level', DFEs (the demonic 'bosses') have manifested as. It is of course but a shadow of illusion of their true nature, which is God, but it is nonetheless the role (of 'darkness') that they are manifesting.
Hence, the Love must be directed at the spark of God within, not the 'shell/role of darkness'. However, it can be dangerous and unwise for the intraphysical human with limited consciential capacities and intelligence, to properly distinguish between the two, and (if the DFE is strong and highly intelligent), the human consciousness may be tricked and the attempted projected energies (even that of PUL or love) may be warped and manipulated.
It's *not* a case of "Love not being able to overcome Darkness", it's a case of limited human capacity when dealing with something larger and beyond one's league, making it wiser to call upon specialists, and being a facilitator rather than 'solo hero'.
(On the second count)
When you find a sick or demented person, you must care for them accordingly. For a sick person, you offer medical assistance. For a demented person, you offer psychological assistance. Either way, you do not attack them, just as you do not attack psychotic post mortem human souls, or even DFEs (demonic). With the former, you counsel them (clinical psychology), with the latter, you engage the assistance of specialized guides, helpers and angels who have the (consciential and energetic) capacity to deal with these, rather than acting ('solo hero') on your own.
In other words, it is the APPROPRIATENESS of action per situation that must be considered. Different types of beings must be helped, and loved, in slightly different ways.
(on the third count)
In none of these cases above, do you *ever* 'attack' them. In fact, to try to psychically 'attack' a DFE ('demonic') is simply suicidal and totally counterproductive. It is like becoming evil to 'fight' evil, it simply doesn't work.
Note that in none of my posts, nor in William Baldwin's work, is there ever any suggestion of 'attacking' DFEs. You proceed to assist them, APPROPRIATELY. This means firstly, not having any direct consciential connection with them (so don't try to beam anything to them, or engage them directly at any emotional or psychological level), which is dangerous for the (limited capacity) human consciousness, not for the DFE consciousness (if it is a strong, 'high level' one.)
Secondly, it means asking for the appropriate assistance to proceed with the assistance given to not only the DFE, as well as the intruded/possessed at all levels of the (usually nested) intrusion, all the way to the intraphysical human subject. But the DFE will have to be *released* first. This is not 'attacking' the DFE, it is releasing it from it's possessee, it's captives (network of darkness), and/or it's own darkness that is misled illusion about it's own God nature.
And for this assistance, specialized guides, helpers and angels may have to be called in, (depending on the level of the DFE involved).
So remember, never 'attack' anything, only give love and assistance, but in an APPROPRIATE manner that most effectively helps all.
Quote:I never met a spirit - spook - entity - demon or whatever that wasn't ultimately "stuck" in precisely the sense that Bruce describes when he describes soul retrieval. The way they hook on is by sharing emotional states and related ideas. When two beings share a state of mind, then with respect to that state of mind they are no longer discriminable. That means that with respect to that contingency, they are not different, hence appear to be one. The reason that they stay stuck is fear, and their fear is supported by ignorance. In general, the more frightful the entity, the more that they need love. And with that love they need to be assisted to find their way out of whatever they fear, and back into the light of God, where they are always received like prodigal children. My personal practice involves people who are "possessed" (meaning that some kind of being is hitchhiking on them) and my approach is to strike up a conversation with the entity. "Hi, my name is Dave, what can I call you?" After we get talking, I ask how come they are attached to this person, how long it has been since they had a body, what kinds of things are they concerned about etc. It's basic cognitive therapy for demons, if you will. Eventually we get around to "If you go into the Light, God will forgive you and assist you to fix everything." For the recalcitrant I often ask if they have friends in the Light to reach down to help, "Grab their hands." And once in a while I offer to allow them to ride around with me if they don't like it in the Light. (This is safe unless you feel guilt, or have committed an existential error that threatens your survival - a "motal sin".) That's like offering a thistle patch if they don't like the luxury of heaven.
For the rest of your post, you are describing scenarios not involving DFEs, but involving human psychotic post mortems ('ghosts'). It is exactly as I had said, you assist *accordingly* to the situation as needed. It seems that in your use of the term "demon" in your post above, you may have incorrectly labelled a human consciousness as DFE (but I understand you probably wrote thusly only for the sake of this discussion, and not in your clinical practice).
This is one area of concern that some lightworkers and soul retrievers have - how do we know if it is a human psychotic post mortem we're dealing with, or an Extraterrestrial, or a DFE, etc?
First off, intrusion/attachment/possession is almost always a nested one. In clinical practice, you would have to treat (counsel) each of these at separate levels, accordingly and in the correct order. Never assume all intruders are humans, nor assume all intruders are DFEs.
There is little risk of a wrong diagnosis, once you have opened yourself to the greater possibilities (that you may be dealing with this, or that, or both), rather than with simplistic bias, pre-judge everything you're dealing with as one category or other (eg. intrusion/attachment/possession is about human souls only, or about demons only).
And most importantly, for all lightworkers, but *especially* for clinical Spirit Releasement Therapists, one needs to be actively working with the guides & helpers at all times. Guides & Helpers are a generic, collective term, that encompasses both your personal group of guides, as well as non-prsonal specialist helpers called in to assist in the situation for which they have the specialized skills or capacities to assist or be involved in. The direct assistance of Angels and even ArchAngels, may often be needed in difficult cases of Spirit Releasement Therapy, involving DFEs.
The Lightworker, whether the Spirit Releasement Therapist, Soul Retriever, etc, is never designed to be a 'solo hero'. Each intraphysical human individual, is meant to be a minicog within a multidimensional, interconsciential, interpersonal, assistantial maximechanism, always involving teams of many guides & helpers, in all assistantial projects we undertake, including Spirit Releasement Therapy.
Hence, in lieu of this bigger picture, the therapist is only to facilitate the guides & helpers, to help and to release, the human psychotic post mortem, or the DFE. On our (intraphysical human's) part then, we only can do what is intelligently appropriate, and we only can offer assistance and our love the best we can, to all beings as appropriate.
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spooky wrote :
Quote:I would not recommend to step too deep into that demon-banning-rituals (sorry Kyo) because that would mean to make the image of a demon strong and therefore to establish it and feed the fear.
That is correct. First of all, 'demon-banishing-rituals' as attempted by occultists and magick practitioners (such as the 'Banishing Rituals of the Pentagram'), are ineffective at worst and uncompassionate at best. Hence, it is the more enlightened Spirit Releasement Therapy, that needs to be used in dealing with, releasing and freeing DFEs from their own (self-constructed) darkness. Similary with human psychotic post mortems ('ghosts').
As for the point of imagination and fear, of the Demonic, implying that discussing about the demonic breeds fear and thus does more harm than good.
There are two ways to go about doing this. You can tell pple there are no such things as demons and forces of darkness, just as you can tell a kid there's no such thing as terrorism, genocide, rape and torture in this world. This would prevent the kid from being overly disturbed, so in many circumstances, yes it would be the helpful thing to do.
However, from the viewpoint of the guides & helpers, who clearly understand and work with all aspects of reality in a calm, intelligent, cosmoethical and loving way, there is no reason to be upset by the existence of Darkness, of DFEs, or of anything for that matter. Unlike the dogmatic religious conscientially comatose individual, whose has mistakenly based his entire philosophical existence on an overly simple premise of "If evil exists, then God must be weak! this is illogical! omg, my universe is collapsing!!!"
Rather, the guides & helper understand things without emotional coloured lenses or beliefs. 'Evil' and 'Good' do not really exist on their own, of course. By the Theory/Principle/Law of Relativity (an aspect of which was brought to humanity's awareness by the being who incarnated as Einstein), *everything* in this Cosmos is relative.
And *ALL* Beings in the Cosmos, in all realities and alternate realities, are all expressions of the One, that we know as God.
So the Guides & Helpers do not foolishly waste time on lamenting, "Oh no! There are aspects of Creation that have been misled into thinking they are Darkness, and thus have manifested a shadow of themselves as the 'Demonic'! This is most appalling!"
Rather, motivated only by love, and never by fear, hatred or anger, they intelligently focus on *what they can do*, to assist these beings, and all beings, in the Cosmos. This is the CosmoEthics.
And Spirit Releasement Therapy, is one of these para-sciences based on a cosmoethic premise, to assist all beings, including DFEs, in the most appropriate, loving manner.
We, the intraphysical humans, should do the same. Understand the *TRUE* meaning of DFEs and the Demonic, and you will understand there is nothing to fear, there is only something to assist.
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Marilyn wrote :
Quote:You know, what all the explorations and retrievals/contacts that I've done, I have never had any negative entities around me nor negative experiences. When I read about others experiences, I just wonder about it all. Of course I always use protection, i.e., surround myself with White Light, call down my I Am Presence and KNOW that I AM fully protected. Am I just one of the 'lucky' ones or what. I know someone in another group who knows Robert Bruce personally (he went to her wedding) and she said she loves him dearly, BUT he thrives on negative contacts. Kyo, you have a lot of knowledge about all things pertaining to spirit/afterlife, etc. Maybe you can answer this for me. Thanks so much. With Love, Mairlyn
First of all, about Robert Bruce, yes, that is his existential program. He has chosen a ROLE (just like the various specialists in their respective fields, just like the many religions and dogmatic faiths, just like the aspects of 'darkness' such as DFEs, these are all roles), the purpose of which is to spread awareness of the 'supernatural' or the mutidimensional reality of the Cosmos. And if he choses his path (which span many lifetimes), to involve engaging in psychic combat with 'Negs' (Negative Entities, as he has generically termed them), then it is his choice.
You see, there isn't a 'right' or 'wrong'. All of the various pioneers and specialists in their respective fields, including William Bladwin, Bruce Moen, Robert Bruce, Michael Newton, William Buhlman, Waldo Viera and Wagner Alegretti, etc, all of these individuals will have their own unique perspective on what needs to be done, how best to go about doing this.
Does it mean that only one of them can be correct, the rest are somehow wrong? Certainly not, all of them are equally correct, and all of them have contributed *much* to humanity, both intraphysical and extraphysical, in their own ways as they have chosen it.
Therefore, (all of us) do not judge Robert Bruce for his love of combating Negs. Focus on your own path, your own existential program, what *you* are choosing for *yourself*. This is the correct meaning of *self-responsibility*.
(And not 'self-liability', as FreeBird seems to choose to see it. Nobody judges anyone, nobody needs to 'answer' for anything, to anyone. We all only need to maximize our opportunities to carry our assistantiality to the best of our capacity, because it is the nature of our Love to do so).
Quote:You know, what all the explorations and retrievals/contacts that I've done, I have never had any negative entities around me nor negative experiences. When I read about others experiences, I just wonder about it all.
Just as there's no meaningful purpose for a physicist engineer to have to perform heart surgery in his work, similarly, all of us have specialized roles of lightwork in this current reality. This applies to both intraphysicals and extraphysicals (including the Guides & Helpers, the Angels and ArchAngels, and even the Ascended Masters and Serenissimus).
Marilyn, when you read other people's experiences, remember that everything is relative and that everyone is only communicating his/her perspective AND that what you receive from his/her words, are only what you can, or have chosen to, meaningfully receive (not necessarily what he/she conceptualized).
Thus, do not 'wonder about' the illusionary 'objective truth' of what other people say, rather, apply Byron Katie's Inquiry Process of Clarification, understand of their words IN ANY WAY THAT IS PERSONALLY MEANINGFUL AND HELPFUL TO YOU, that adds to your own Clarificaion, that adds to your own Love, that allows you to teach *yourself* more about your own nature, that supports your own evolution and capacity to help others. That is all, that needs to be done. Self-Responsibility.
Take care
Kyo
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