Freebird wrote:
"But without the bad feelings, would you even help at all?  For example, the main reason people donate money to starving kids in Africa is that they constantly see the TV commercials showing kids that look like skeletons with flies crawling all over their skin, and they feel a surge of horror and sadness, and it is those negative emotions that motivates them to write a check to their favorite charity."

Yes, that's true! Every action is founded finally in some sort of feeling (and empathy is needed to get that feeling) and not in some rational ethic system. My point is, not to go into it, like if someone always had this picture of people suffering from hunger before his eyes, imagining how that suffering must feel etc. Personally, I often get s.th. like a little hit on my solarplexus while I'm noticing things are going wrong and I had to s.th. But I try to not go into s.o.s bad feelings, more seeing there ARE bad feelings, there IS suffering, but viewing it from a distance and keep a clear mind; I know it out of my own experiences, in times when I was having all the terrible things on my mind which are going on here on earth I became so depressed, totally down, moaning and charging god so that I couldn't help anyone, finally I needed help for myself coming out of my pain-pit. Think of an emergency doctor who has every day the worst cases of wounded people right in front of his eyes, he must quit his job going into each person's suffering. That means not to be cold, just to stay clean and healthy for yourself which is automatically helpful for everyone who is in contact with a balanced-positive person.

Freebird wrote:
"In many New Age or Spiritualist teachings, there is the idea that a being must "lower its vibration" to a similar level as a being who is suffering, in order to help that being to raise their vibration to a higher level to move beyond the suffering." "From what I have read, especially from NDEs and the quantum physics theory of a Holographic Universe, there seems to be no way to actually reach a soul on a particular level or interact with it, unless one is willing to participate in their feelings, thoughts, emotions, and enter their reality.  That's because in the afterlife, everything is interconnected.  One cannot even think a thought privately, since souls have telepathic abilities."

In some retrievals I've done (or was it just fantasy? Still wondering...) I "knew" somehow what has happened to a person I met and I went sometimes in the feelings of this persons what can be overwhelming; the trick is to say to yourself "OK, I know what's up here" and not further tune into it. For being sensitive about other people's feelings it might be helpful to have made similar experiences on your own in the past (maybe in this, maybe in an other lifetime) so that you know what it's all about which doesn't mean to go through it again. In fact, without having an impression of an other person there is no contact with it, but to make an other's situation to your own sounds not a good idea to me. So, that "lowering vibration" thing might be something for very skilled beings, not for me; besides, there is the theory that retrievers which are still incarnated are of good use for the light workers out there because they have this "earthy vibrations" which are better perceivable for some stuck persons than the higher ones of the light beings.

Freebird wrote:
"This idea of "sharing the burden," so to speak, is even found very strongly in Christianity"
Yeah, I know, that's what I meant with "carry each other's load", English is not my first language, as you might have noticed

Freebird wrote:
"For example, an energy healer often must feel the symptoms of the disease of the sick person, while removing the sickness.  Then the healer goes to the Light to remove the bad vibes from him or herself.  There is no way around sharing somebody else's pain/suffering/burden if one wants to help.  That principle surely applies not only in this world but the next."
I think there is an argument between two parties of healers: The one claims your opinion, the other one thinks that it is NOT necessary to feel the patient's feelings. But I'm not an expert, though I try to become...


Maybe I will read your article in the future Freebird, for now bye or nice dreams (it's five o'clock in the morning!!!)!

Hello everyone! Sorry....I haven't been able to particiapte very much since starting this thread....it's been a busy and crazy past few days.
And now I am just way too pooped out to even think, let alone try to respond at all.   
I just wanted to say that there has been awesome feedback on this topic! Much of it isn't really sinking in right now....fried brain....oh, and not from any indulgence of sorts!!.....just drained.
I will have a few things to say over the next day or so.......but...just wanted to say 'thanks guys!'......there's lots of reading for me to do! 

So does anyone know, is there any explanation from physics or Saul Paul Sirag or metaphysics for the space I pass through as described in the dream in the above post?

Hi Dave,

Yes, we are in agreement, certainly. As to the concept of the demonic, all that's needed, is to be open to the possibility that there can be aspects of consciousnesses (usually non-human in origin) that have become so warped (due to the deception that they have no Light/God within), that they manifest an illusion of a 'shadow/shell/cloak' of darkness, so dark in nature, that it goes way beyond the realm of the human psyche. The darkness becomes as a 'non-alive' computer virus, rather than the soul of the person who wrote it (eg. out of bitterness).

This possibility, however, does not (need to) actually violate or alter any fundamental concepts that most Soul Retrievers and Therapists are already comfortable with, such as the healing power of Pure Unconditional Love. It just needs a bit of intelligent tweaking, ie. Would it be appropriate to send love to the computer virus, which has the programming capacity to misuse and abuse even love energy sent to it, and further its own dark intentions?

Or would it more correct/accurate/to-the-point, to instead send love to the soul of the person who created the computer virus, who upon contact, realizes that the bitterness he felt was in fact based upon false beliefs (see work of Byron Katie - *all* emotional suffering is based upon false beliefs), and the darkness is 'turned', the newly emerged being returns home to the Light of clarity and love, and dismantles the computer virus, which was never 'real' in the first place.


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(what follows is an edited reproduction of a post I made on another forum)


I had earlier and elsewhere posted the link to a picture of a doll, that was rather interesting looking (originally designed as a 'screamer', so you may want to turn off your speakers before clicking the url below):
 
http://lindsaylohannekkid.ytmnd.com


There has been a variety of responses on the doll. One one forum, someone submitted another url in reply, "If you think that's wierd for a doll, check this out - http://www.demonkidz.com/Custom.html ".

Now, unlike the "Lindsay Lohanne Nekkid" doll, which while alien-like (proportion of eyes, forehead, face) in appearance interpreted as eerie for some, still has some measure of asthethic quality (ignore the accompanying soundtrack), on the other hand, the "demonkidz" dolls (as the manufacturer calls them), are markedly different in nature.

( Caution - do not view if you are easily disturbed by these matters -
http://www.demonkidz.com/Kidz2.html
http://www.demonkidz.com/Custom.html )

Upon viewing the 'demonkidz' dolls, a wide variety of emotional reactions may be observed in different individuals. Ranging from feeling somewhat disturbed or unsettled, to outright disgust or loathing, to possibly a perverse 'demonic' lust for such 'beauty' for some (eg. the many loyal customers and fans of the 'demonkidz' doll series).

For myself however, like some others, what I felt was understanding and compassion. Not compassion or love for (ie. directed towards) the shadow/shell of darkness that is the demonic force as represented by the dolls, for that is but an illusion, the very existence of which based a lie of deception (see William Baldwin's writings). But compassion or love, for the Light within, the God essence within; as well as for the beings who might have been intruded/attached/possessed by these shadows/shells of darkness.

It is not helpful for people to react in fear of this darkness (which would only be feeding the lie), FEAR = False Evidence Appearing as Real; because such fear is born out of ignorance, and would only be feeding the lie, the deception that these beings fall under; and thus would only be detrimental to the person expressing the fear, as well as not truly helping/enlightening the dark force entity or demonic being in question.

For a one-page summary of the "Sequence of a Demonic Spirit Releasement" (as utilized by Dr William Baldwin), ie. what to (ideally) do in a situation involving the demonic, see :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/SRT/SpiritReleasementTherapy_TreatmentO...


Hence, you need not, and should not, upset yourself in viewing these dolls, or when encountering these concepts involving the demonic, dark forces, and ghosts (more on this in a while). If you do, that's just fear, which is a *LIE*.

Instead, understand objectively the situation, and armed with total clarity and lucidity, expressing only love and compassion, take the personal stand of maximum assistantiality and cosmoethics.  

Use this as an opportunity to re-affirm your dedication and committment to working closely and colleagially with the Guides & Helpers, Angels & ArchAngels, Ascended Masters, Evolutionary Orientors, Serenissimus and All Beings of the Highest vibrations; towards maximum assistantiality and cosmoethics.

Those with the proper training in Spirit Releasement Therapy, can proceed in their role as the SRT therapist, and carry out the "Sequence of a Demonic Spirit Releasement". The rest, will have to make do what they feel is most appropriate or helpful, such as their own prayers, methods, Vibrational State, seeking the assistance and guidance of their guides & helpers, etc. But always acting not out of fear, but of compassion and love.  

(However, as written in my other post, never engage the dark beings directly on any emotional level; the love is always for the Light within, and not for the illusion of the shadow/shell/cloak of darkess whose manifestation is based on a lie. See Baldwin's writings - http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/WilliamBaldwin/index.htm ).


In the same vein, one should (even moreso) not fear ghosts (human psychotic post mortems). There are people who had replied indignantly, "This is the 7th Month of the Chinese calendar! The gates of hell are open and ghosts roam the mortal realm freely! How can you post this about this demon doll at a time like this!!!"

Again, this is fear. FEAR = False Evidence Appearing as Real. The ghost, correct term being "psychotic post mortem", or the human mind that becomes psychologically disturbed after death, being in a self-created state of confusion or psychological pain, due to similar patterns heavily present in the psyche at the time of death, or in the life of the individual, while he/she was alive.

Such psychotic post mortems need compassion and help (instead of *more* fear!), and are often vibrationally and psychologically beyond the reach of the guides & helpers directly. That is to say, the assistance of intraphysical human incarnates is needed, to act as an intermediary for the guides & helpers to contact, assist and free the psychotic post mortem ('ghost').

Such lightwork, is the focus of the "Soul Retrieval" or "Out-Of-Body Ministry" healing work, that is carried out by many individuals and groups, including of course, the many good people here on Bruce's Afterlife Knowledge website.

The International Academy of Consciousness also have their own methods for retrieval, deintrusion and healing, under the broad heading of "ConscientioTherapy" - http://www.iacworld.org
 
In conclusion, the time has come to let go of fear, and in its place, the light of understanding and clarity, motivated by the light of compassion and love within your heart.

For those who have not already done so, educate yourself on these matters of evolution and assistantiality now, and help to educate those around you who ask for it. Do it for your loved ones, if not for yourself.

The time is Now.

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PS.

Here's a quick method usable by anyone feeling disturbed by darker forces, and a beautifully inspiring one :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/Hilarion/DarkBrothers/index.htm

Sananda (Jesus Christ), the Angels, ArchAngels, Serenissimus, Guides & Helpers, make themselves available to *ALL* whom call out to them in the Name of the Light, in the Service of the greatest CosmoEthics.